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  • Hello one & all, from a former Muslim.
     OP - January 06, 2013, 06:51 AM

    Hello all,

    Been a lurker for a little while, thought it was time to say hello.

    I feel I can not say too much at this time, as I have only recently apostated (secretly, about 4 months ago). I was a Muslim convert to the Sunni branch of Islam. And in particular, I - and most of my family; converts one and all - would be considered "Orthodox" (strictly following the Salaf and the early generations). Indeed, I was a (relatively) happy and content Muslim for almost two decades... For the most part, I was satisfied with my religion; in particular, the pure belief in one God. And feeding as I had been on a rich diet of positive, and carefully cherry-picked propaganda, re: Muhammad, I was also satisfied with this man as a "prophet" of the supposed "one true God".

    I have also been married a number of years (to a wonderful Muslimah who was born into the Deen), and we have had several children together... which of course, is causing me no end of mental stress and anguish, as they have no idea of my apostasy... yet.

    What lead me to this point, I hear you ask? Basically, I have always been one to debate the issues of Islam on the Internet, always quick to come to its defense (a bit of a fanboy, you could say Wink ). And in these debates I use to fair pretty well, IMO. I would walk away from each argument (whether it was about Jihad, an Islamic State, the Taliban, polygyny, the Hudud punishments, etc), satisfied that the "Deen" had prevailed once again. Until one day, someone began an argument with me over the marriage of Aisha, at 6 years of age, to Muhammad (when he was around 50)... Well, I had the usual arsenal of arguments ready to go (i.e. females were more "mature" in those days, Aisha NEVER said she regretted marrying our Rasool AND she benefitted Islam enormously! And of course, the last resort of the debating-scoundrel: ALL cultures, in EVERY land, use to marry their daughters off at such a young age, so what's the big deal! ... Note: as if THAT made it right for Muhammad to do it.)

    Anyway, this person persisted in their arguments, till eventually I started becoming genuinely frustrated...

    Something about this particular debate really bothered me, and at some point, I left the Study to play with my young children, one of whom is a girl around 7 years of age. It was then that it hit me like a ton of bricks: What if some old guy (pious though he might be), came up and asked me for HER hand in marriage? I looked at her, so delicate and tender in years... so innocent, with a smile that could melt any bitter old heart, and I realised the absolute DEPRAVITY of such a notion. I honestly thought to myself, "I'd KILL any man who'd DARE even ask such a thing!". The thought absolutely disgusted me.

    It was then, that I felt for the very first time, a genuine dislike for this aspect of Muhammad's life. I even found myself WISHING that he hadn't married her at all, so that I could carry on defending "God's Religion" guilt free! I even secretly thought that it was WRONG of him (which for a Muslim, is nigh on impossible to admit). I didn't realise it then, but the cat was out of the bag. I stopped defending his marriage to Aisha, and removed myself from such debates altogether. I found I could not defend the indefensible. So I didn't.

    After that, it was only a matter of time before "logic" came pounding on my mind's door. I started thinking, "If Muhammad's marriage to the young Aisha was morally wrong, then what ELSE - if anything - was wrong with Islam?" I then started to genuinely research the Deen, for the first time, using sources outside my usual repertoire (i.e. Atheists, Christians, Hindus, etc.) I wanted to see what others were saying about Islam... I knew the arguments FOR the religion, now I wanted to know the arguments against it, and the logic supporting them.

    So I would take their arguments, and compare them to my "legitimate" sources for Islamic religious research, in order to "verify" what they were saying. (i.e. The Qur'an, the Sahih'ayn: Bukhari & Muslim, and of course the authoritative Fatwa & Religious Rulings website, Islamqa)

    In particular, I researched the issues of sexual slavery, child marriage in general, and the treatment of a Muslim man's wife (e.g the Qur'anic permission to beat them, as a "last" resort)... Eventually it dawned on me that - aside from some fanatical overgeneralisations from certain overzealous ex-Muslims & atheists - it was all true! At one point, I actually sat down and thought to myself, "Oh my... to accept Islam IS to accept human sexual slavery, child marriage (to PRE-pubescent girls), and the permissiblity to beat one's wife...". I thought, "How could a religion which promotes these blatant human-rights abuses, be from 'God'? ... and an 'All-Merciful' God at that!"

    It just could not be.

    Finally, I came to the point which I had inevitably been rocketing towards: I was no longer a Muslim.

    I'd become a kafir, a munafiq... a fully-fledged murtad (i.e. apostate). And the odd thing was, I didn't really feel that guilty about it. I mean, I'd "strayed" in the past, here and there (e.g. listening to music on occasion, leaving off the Sunnah (optional) prayers, etc), but when I did such things, I always felt terrible, almost paralysing, guilt... But this time, my conscience felt clear and - please excuse my "french" - I found Islam to be utter bullshit! A colossal slew of "laws" designed to deceptively reel people in with the purity of monotheism, but then which holds onto them through rank-fear and bodily threats (both real and imagined: i.e. "DEATH TO THE APOSTATE!")

    As things stand, I am now no longer a Muslim, but I'm PROUD to be so. And I look forward to a day when I can be open about my newfound realisations (especially for my children's sake). A day when I can openly criticise Islam, without fear of physical retribution and retaliation, from brainwashed "born again" fundamentalists who genuinely believe that by beating up on an apostate, they'll gain some kind of heavenly reward.

    Unfortunately though, I do not think that day will come anytime soon.

    Sorry for the long introduction, but once I start writing, I sometimes find it hard to stop (Imagine how long it would have been if I'd told the full story!) Thank you, most sincerely, for creating this forum, which has enabled me to express my true, inner thoughts on this important subject. Muslim apostates NEED places like this, because we certainly can not express such thoughts in the "real" world.

    Signed,

    FREE AT LAST!
  • Hello one & all, from a former Muslim.
     Reply #1 - January 06, 2013, 07:18 AM

    Glad to have you and can fully sympathize with you as I am also struggling telling my wife and daughter. Good luck and have a  parrot
  • Hello one & all, from a former Muslim.
     Reply #2 - January 06, 2013, 07:42 AM

    Welcome free@last!!! I read 1/2 of your intro and "fell in love" with you!

    Don't be like muslims and don't throw away your family for some nebulous ideas of atheism. It's just ideas, your family on the other hand is real.

    "That it is indeed the speech of an illustrious messenger" (The Koran 69:40)
  • Hello one & all, from a former Muslim.
     Reply #3 - January 06, 2013, 07:42 AM

    Welcome Free@Last, glad you managed to escape the clutches of Islam. You can drop hints here and there to your family and over time they will adjust to the 'new you', a gradual process and you can always teach your children to question things help them approach things rationally without specifically telling them for the time being, if you're wanting the cat in the bag for now.

    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
  • Hello one & all, from a former Muslim.
     Reply #4 - January 06, 2013, 09:24 AM

    Welcome Free@Last! Great intro and it is always good to be reminded of how useful this forum is to so many people. As a long time member, sometimes I forget that there are so many people who "lurk" but still find the resources here invaluable.
    As Stardust said, you have the opportunity to instill values of free thinking and logic in your children and encourage them to question, without giving away the reason.
    It is true that there is a long way to go before apostates can be free to express their viewpoints without fear but maybe the future generations will have it easier. Already we have so many members here who are in their teens, so it is encouraging to think that although right now things are tough, in time a new wave of 'undercover' apostates will give rise to a more liberal islamic society.

  • Hello one & all, from a former Muslim.
     Reply #5 - January 06, 2013, 02:49 PM

    great introduction..
     hi and welcome  Smiley
  • Hello one & all, from a former Muslim.
     Reply #6 - January 06, 2013, 04:44 PM

     parrot

    Brilliant intro!

    But as others have said elsewhere, maybe a double life makes sense for a while.

    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Hello one & all, from a former Muslim.
     Reply #7 - January 06, 2013, 05:15 PM

    Welcome to the forum.

     parrot

    "Beauty is truth, truth beauty," - that is all
            Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know.

    - John Keats
  • Hello one & all, from a former Muslim.
     Reply #8 - January 06, 2013, 05:35 PM

    Welcome to the forum   signwelcome      Greetings

    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • Hello one & all, from a former Muslim.
     Reply #9 - January 06, 2013, 06:02 PM

    Just read your intro. First of all, welcome to the forum. I am not sure if you've read Amy of my posts, but our stories are almost identical. I lived a double life, practically hating all the evils I saw in Islam on the outside while still being am active Muslim at home and at the masjid. It was extremely difficult and extremely mentally taxing, especially if you are not used to lying. The problem is that your wife, the person who is closest to you in this world, will start to notice tiny little differences. I don't know how deep into Islam you were, but since I heard you drop the S word (salafi) I assume you were pretty deep. My wife began to notice the small things that it is hard to keep up doing once you really have a hatred for the evils of Islam in you. She also noticed that I was not teaching my children quran, which was strange because I memorized more than two thirds of it.

    On the other hand, I could not fathom life without my kids. I used to take them to the natural history museum whenever I could, just to spark that love of science and show them where human beings really came from. I also used to take them to different public place and let them appreciate people and music and the world around them. I remember one day my daughter, who is six years old, said to me in from the back of the car as we were driving that her grandmother told her that if she didn't grow up to be a good Muslim, that Allah would put her in fire and whenever her skin burns off, Allah would give her new skin so he could burn it again. She was clearly scared and I was disgusted and heart broken. I said "baby, could you imagine your daddy doing that to you, putting you in an oven and brining you add you cry? She said no. I said well them if Allah is real, he would live you just like your day does and he would never do anything like that to you, no matter what you do.

    At that moment, shit got real. My daughter ended up telling my wife about the story, innocently of course, she was still shaken up about the idea of hell, and she told my wife what I said. At that point, my wife and I had a long discussion about hell and the amount of human beings that would be pointlessly tortured if Islam were true. She then started bringing up all the things I no longer do. She no longer saw me reading quran or praying at night or making duaah our caring if my if the barber trimmed my beard a bit. I just could not lite any more, I said these exact words, "baby I can just no longer believe that Muhammad is the messenger of God."

    From then on, all hell broke loose. She flipped out, called many of my God Muslim friends to intervene, and I was given an ultimatum: say you believe in Islam our leave. I tried my best to present my case, but they were all like deaf dumb and blind, it was as if I hasn't made any points at all. I came home from work and everything I owned was in garbage bags out in the snow. The rest is history.

    I would recommend playing along as long as you can, the joy you get from you're children definitely outweighs any hardships you may face. But start making a contingency plan now for what you will do if things go sour. Talk to a lawyer, put money aside, and in the back of your mind always prepare for the worst. Most of all, kids your kids as much as you can and let them know how much their dad loves them. That will mean so much in the end.
  • Hello one & all, from a former Muslim.
     Reply #10 - January 06, 2013, 06:11 PM

    ^

    I'm so sorry to hear that happy murtad.

    Hope things get better for you

     far away hug

    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • Hello one & all, from a former Muslim.
     Reply #11 - January 06, 2013, 06:16 PM

     Cheesy PS, my cell phones auto correct is infamous on this site by now, so sorry for all the typos. I'll edit that post once I'm on my lap top. Hopefully it made enough sense.
  • Hello one & all, from a former Muslim.
     Reply #12 - January 06, 2013, 06:53 PM

    Thanks dark rebel. I don't mean to sound all doom and gloom, I just share my story in the hopes that anyone else going through the same thing will know they aren't alone. Things do get better, add they have for me. All in all, after openly leaving Islam, the freedom and peace of mind that you feel is amazing. My kids will always be my kids, and  haveyears to talk to them about religion and philosophy and man's place in the universe. For now, i just want them to be kids and to have no doubts that their dad, and their mom, love them. I don't know what the long term future holds, but I am fortunate to have a good job, an inquisitive mind, and strong will. In this, the only life I am sure to have, I am determined to live happy.
  • Hello one & all, from a former Muslim.
     Reply #13 - January 06, 2013, 07:31 PM

    I feel for you guys. It must be harder for a former strict salafi to leave the faith than the casual folks like me.

    "People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people Jeremy"  - Superhans
  • Hello one & all, from a former Muslim.
     Reply #14 - January 06, 2013, 07:35 PM

    Just read your intro. First of all, welcome to the forum. I am not sure if you've read Amy of my posts, but our stories are almost identical. I lived a double life, practically hating all the evils I saw in Islam on the outside while still being am active Muslim at home and at the masjid. It was extremely difficult and extremely mentally taxing, especially if you are not used to lying. The problem is that your wife, the person who is closest to you in this world, will start to notice tiny little differences. I don't know how deep into Islam you were, but since I heard you drop the S word (salafi) I assume you were pretty deep. My wife began to notice the small things that it is hard to keep up doing once you really have a hatred for the evils of Islam in you. She also noticed that I was not teaching my children quran, which was strange because I memorized more than two thirds of it.

    On the other hand, I could not fathom life without my kids. I used to take them to the natural history museum whenever I could, just to spark that love of science and show them where human beings really came from. I also used to take them to different public place and let them appreciate people and music and the world around them. I remember one day my daughter, who is six years old, said to me in from the back of the car as we were driving that her grandmother told her that if she didn't grow up to be a good Muslim, that Allah would put her in fire and whenever her skin burns off, Allah would give her new skin so he could burn it again. She was clearly scared and I was disgusted and heart broken. I said "baby, could you imagine your daddy doing that to you, putting you in an oven and brining you add you cry? She said no. I said well them if Allah is real, he would live you just like your day does and he would never do anything like that to you, no matter what you do.

    At that moment, shit got real. My daughter ended up telling my wife about the story, innocently of course, she was still shaken up about the idea of hell, and she told my wife what I said. At that point, my wife and I had a long discussion about hell and the amount of human beings that would be pointlessly tortured if Islam were true. She then started bringing up all the things I no longer do. She no longer saw me reading quran or praying at night or making duaah our caring if my if the barber trimmed my beard a bit. I just could not lite any more, I said these exact words, "baby I can just no longer believe that Muhammad is the messenger of God."

    From then on, all hell broke loose. She flipped out, called many of my God Muslim friends to intervene, and I was given an ultimatum: say you believe in Islam our leave. I tried my best to present my case, but they were all like deaf dumb and blind, it was as if I hasn't made any points at all. I came home from work and everything I owned was in garbage bags out in the snow. The rest is history.

    I would recommend playing along as long as you can, the joy you get from you're children definitely outweighs any hardships you may face. But start making a contingency plan now for what you will do if things go sour. Talk to a lawyer, put money aside, and in the back of your mind always prepare for the worst. Most of all, kids your kids as much as you can and let them know how much their dad loves them. That will mean so much in the end.


    The religion of peace ruins another life. Thank you for sharing.

    "People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people Jeremy"  - Superhans
  • Hello one & all, from a former Muslim.
     Reply #15 - January 06, 2013, 08:14 PM

    Islam and muslims may have tried to ruin my life, but I refuse to let them. In fact, as I look back at my life, there is nothing that I regret. I had the opportunity to have a western, secular education that allows me to think critically and do the job that I do today, and I've also had a strict religious education that gives me insight into all of religion's bullshit so that I am never sucked into it again and can help others get out of it. I have traveled the world, filling two passports, and have met truly intriguing people, for better or for worse,.from all walks of life. I'm in my thirties,.yet I feel that I have insight into things far beyond my years. I owe a lot of that to Islam. If I can impart even a fraction of what I have learned and experienced to help others, and to free my kids from the chains of dogma, it will have been worth it.
  • Hello one & all, from a former Muslim.
     Reply #16 - January 06, 2013, 11:24 PM

    Welcome brother, I feel we also have much in common, in fact for a moment I thought you were one of my convert friends until I got more into your story. I'm a convert myself but my reasons to convert were marraige related as opposed to faith based, I've never had strong dogmatic faith even as a kid in my previous religion, I guess it was just the way I was raised. Anyway Happymutard's story also struck a cord with me as it served as a reminder of the potential next steps should I go public about my disbelief. I in not so many words told my wife(an except for food and drink, non practionier) and she told me that if I apostated, I'd void the marraige, that was about 3 mths ago and neither of us have brought the subject up since. Again my biggest fear is losing my kids, that she might take off. So your in the catch 22 situation like myself, become an openly free man and show your true colours but loose your family or hold onto your family but live a lie. For me, I've decided to keep living the lie, maybe one day down the road when the kids are more grown up I'll nail my true colours to the mast but for now I'm going to just enjoy having my family around me.
  • Hello one & all, from a former Muslim.
     Reply #17 - January 06, 2013, 11:45 PM

    Free@Last - welcome to the forum and thank you for sharing that introduction with us - it is really compelling and powerful  Afro

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Hello one & all, from a former Muslim.
     Reply #18 - January 07, 2013, 12:08 AM

    HappyMurtad - I'm really glad you're on this forum mate Afro

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Hello one & all, from a former Muslim.
     Reply #19 - January 07, 2013, 04:05 AM

    Welcome Free@Last, I loved reading your story.

    Wow three really powerful stories sad
     Good luck to all of you, I hope things go smoothly Big hug

    Quote from: ZooBear 

    • Surah Al-Fil: In an epic game of Angry Birds, Allah uses birds (that drop pebbles) to destroy an army riding elephants whose intentions were to destroy the Kaaba. No one has beaten the high score.

  • Hello one & all, from a former Muslim.
     Reply #20 - January 08, 2013, 06:57 AM

    Thank you one and all for your kind and thoughtful responses... especially to the former "convert" brothers & sisters who have "been there"... I must say, it is VERY dificult at the moment. Things aren't looking so good. I tell you, if it wasn't for my wife and I having children together, my decision to leave Islam would be easy Wink

    If you pray, please pray for me. And if you're an atheist, then wish me all the best Smiley

    Your proud brother in "kufr",

    Free@Last
  • Hello one & all, from a former Muslim.
     Reply #21 - January 08, 2013, 09:39 AM

    Welcome Free@Last  parrot bunny Brilliant intro Afro I also first found myself secretly disliking Muhammad; I was disgusted by him and wished I could somehow still be a Muslim without revering him. That's how deep my hatred of that fucker ran until I started questioning and learning, and finally lost faith completely.

    I'm so sorry to hear about how it all went down with your family happymurtad; glad you're getting through it and able to be happy Smiley far away hug

    @Doubting Thomas
    Seeing as your wife's not devout, can you get away with not praying, not fasting, etc and just paying lip-service to Islam? I know that alone can be soul-destroying and frustrating but it's better than having to pray, fast, act like you're really into Islam. Hopefully things will look up, hang in there Smiley

    I really feel for all the people whose families have been torn apart by Islam; it must be very difficult dealing with apostasy when you've got a Muslim wife/husband and children at stake.
     far away hug
  • Hello one & all, from a former Muslim.
     Reply #22 - January 10, 2013, 12:39 AM

    @Al-Alethia
    "@Doubting Thomas
    Seeing as your wife's not devout, can you get away with not praying, not fasting, etc and just paying lip-service to Islam? I know that alone can be soul-destroying and frustrating but it's better than having to pray, fast, act like you're really into Islam. Hopefully things will look up, hang in there"

    Recently lip service is all I have been paying it, went totally rouge last year which probably alerted the other halves suspicions. In fact it's got so bad/good I can't even remember how to pray. "Great" some might think but this can become a problem, I'll have to get in some kind of crash course for the next time I go back to the land of the inlaws. This could also be a problem with the kid, "daddy what are you doing, are you doing your excercises?" "Quiet
    kid your blowing my cover." On the other hand and with the help of a few more kids the airfares over could eventually become unaffordable . . . hum?
  • Hello one & all, from a former Muslim.
     Reply #23 - January 10, 2013, 12:59 AM

    Welcome to the forum, Doubting Tomas. signwelcome

    Interesting intro.

    ...And in these debates I use to fair pretty well, IMO. I would walk away from each argument (whether it was about Jihad, an Islamic State, the Taliban, polygyny, the Hudud punishments, etc), satisfied that the "Deen" had prevailed once again. Until one day, someone began an argument with me over ....

    ^ Such a recurring theme in ex-Muslim testimonies. parrot

    "Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so." -- Bertrand Russell

    Baloney Detection Kit
  • Hello one & all, from a former Muslim.
     Reply #24 - January 10, 2013, 01:58 AM

    @Al-Alethia
    "@Doubting Thomas
    Seeing as your wife's not devout, can you get away with not praying, not fasting, etc and just paying lip-service to Islam? I know that alone can be soul-destroying and frustrating but it's better than having to pray, fast, act like you're really into Islam. Hopefully things will look up, hang in there"

    Recently lip service is all I have been paying it, went totally rouge last year which probably alerted the other halves suspicions. In fact it's got so bad/good I can't even remember how to pray. "Great" some might think but this can become a problem, I'll have to get in some kind of crash course for the next time I go back to the land of the inlaws. This could also be a problem with the kid, "daddy what are you doing, are you doing your excercises?" "Quiet
    kid your blowing my cover." On the other hand and with the help of a few more kids the airfares over could eventually become unaffordable . . . hum?



    Fake praying is the worst. I had to do it earlier, the first time I prayed in 10yrs. I forgot how to do the wudhu and also how to actually pray. Fortunately someone else was leading the prayer so all I had to do was mumble "FML" for 5 ,minutes. Hope allah accepted it Cheesy

    "People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people Jeremy"  - Superhans
  • Hello one & all, from a former Muslim.
     Reply #25 - January 10, 2013, 11:58 AM

    I never do wudu; I just go in the bathroom, splash some water around, emerge wet, then do the aerobics, while singing to myself or sometimes with earphones in (the hijab is great for that). I haven't forgotten how to do wudu or salah but I've pretty much completely forgotten all the Quran I knew.
  • Hello one & all, from a former Muslim.
     Reply #26 - January 10, 2013, 01:03 PM

    ^^
    An atheist hijabi  Cheesy

    "People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people Jeremy"  - Superhans
  • Hello one & all, from a former Muslim.
     Reply #27 - January 10, 2013, 01:50 PM

    Welcome and thanks for that fascinating intro.

    I agree with other members here, whilst you should be careful about what you say to your wife and other adults in the Muslim community. Now is definately the time to start planting the seeds of free thought and doubt into your kids. If your daughter is 7, that it is probably not too late, check out the "Parenting Beyond Belief" youtube channel:

    http://www.youtube.com/user/PBBChannel/videos?flow=grid&view=0

    Good luck and we are all here for advice when you need it.  Afro
  • Hello one & all, from a former Muslim.
     Reply #28 - January 13, 2013, 08:04 AM

    I never do wudu; I just go in the bathroom, splash some water around, emerge wet, then do the aerobics, while singing to myself..


    Wow... it kinda makes you wonder how many young Muslims there are out there who "live the lie"... Also, the ironic thing is that if most Muslims actually understood that Islam permits, and condones, sexual slavery, child marriage (with pre-pubescent girls) I have NO DOUBT that many more hundreds of thousands would also be leaving the religion quick smart.

    If I had a dollar for every time a Muslim flat out denied that Islam permits those vile things (out of their own sheer ignorance), I'd be a millionaire by now.

    So remember folks, every time you meet up with a "cultural" (i.e. non-practising ) Muslim, ask them about the logic and "mercy" behind the enslavement and subsequent rape of young Christian & Jewish girls, as well as the "Rahmah" behind permitting husbands to beat their wives (even though it be a "last" resort...) And when - as you will most likely hear - the enthusiastic but niave Muslim denies these truths, point them to the Qur'an and the authentic (Sahih) Hadeeth.

    Afterall, as the Quran itself proclaims, "Truth is clear, from falsehood" Wink

    P.S And thankyou once again to the kind and thoughtful comments on my initial post.
  • Hello one & all, from a former Muslim.
     Reply #29 - January 13, 2013, 08:34 PM

    Good post Free@Last.  Your words really resonated with me.  Unfortunately, eh-hem, sexual slavery was not part of my Dawah packet back in 1996....found out about that little jewel (along with many other "gems") much, much later.   

    Also, just wanted to say hello to this group in general.  This is my first time here, I just registered an hour ago in fact.  (total newbie).  I have been out of the Deen "officially" for just over a year.  Before that, been Muslim (convert) for 17 years.  I am just now finding my voice again....wishing to connect with others who have experienced the same mental, emotional and spiritual tsunamis as me.  I couldn't seem to find a decent ex-Muslim forum of any sort, like ANYWHERE...so here I am today.  I used to think I would/ could just melt back into the periphery, but realized that my story (OUR stories) are EXTREMELY important to tell.  Especially to anyone who is thinking about becoming a Muslim.  So anyways, just wanted to briefly introduce myself.  Be talking to you all soon.  From the looks of this site I have a LOT of reading to do.  Can't wait!  Peace.  T.R.

    Do not go gentle into that good night.
    Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
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