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 Topic: Something I never knew about the Dome of the Rock?

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  • Something I never knew about the Dome of the Rock?
     OP - January 06, 2013, 07:59 AM

    So I was talking to my Jewish friend about the Dome of the Rock, and apparently the Holy Temple for the Jews was destroyed by Muslims and they built the Dome of the Rock over it.  Then she told me Jews aren't allowed to go inside only Muslims and I said, wait a minute I'm confused isn't Israel in control of the area. And she said yeah but they don't want to cause more tension or conflict so they let the Muslims take control of the Dome. '___' I'm shocked because The Holy Temple to the Jews is like Mecca for Muslims. I said hang on, so Palestine complains that Israel took over the land, but Muslims destroyed the Holy Temple and Israel just let's Muslims have control over it. And she's like because they're nice. Like there is evidence right there that their sacred temple use to stand there and they just let Muslims use it.

    Ok so I'm shocked and confuse unless someone can tell me another side of the story. Islam already has Mecca, and it's most of it's history is elsewhere. Where as Jerusalem should belong to Christians and Hebrews since they have the most ties to the place. That just seems really messed up. I would think Jews would be all pissed off and cry out for Muslim Blood for destroying their Holy Temple but they don't. Well, they kind of screw them over in round about ways, but there isn't like a head on cry for blood like Islam jihad.

    So yeah anyone can comment and tell me more about this. It is quite interesting.

    ***~Church is where bad people go to hide~***
  • Something I never knew about the Dome of the Rock?
     Reply #1 - January 06, 2013, 08:12 AM

    Sounds about right.

    "That it is indeed the speech of an illustrious messenger" (The Koran 69:40)
  • Something I never knew about the Dome of the Rock?
     Reply #2 - January 06, 2013, 12:54 PM

    Thats not quite right. I believe the Jewish temple had been destroyed by the Romans many hundreds of years before the Muslims conquered the city.
  • Something I never knew about the Dome of the Rock?
     Reply #3 - January 06, 2013, 01:13 PM

    This one was destroyed in 586 BC by the Babylonians
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXxrWZoaOCw

    It was replaced by this one, which was destroyed by the Romans in 70 AD
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdAGpnOPfv8

    Dome of the Rock was built in about 690 AD

    One reason why religious Jews are not actively trying to do anything about it is because they believe that the third Jewish temple will be built anyway. It is god's will, and they are leaving it in his hands.
  • Something I never knew about the Dome of the Rock?
     Reply #4 - January 06, 2013, 02:14 PM

    Ahh it's true, it was destroyed by the Romans yes. But explain the deep connection with Islam, despite the fact that the area was sacred to the Jews prior. I'm sure the Jewish people at least like to have access to it. My friend said some of her friends tried to pretend to be Muslims to get in, but they got busted. I heard somewhere from Yeezevee about Muhammad and magical flying horse  wacko and that's why it's sacred to Islam. I was trying to explain to my Jewish friend why the Dome of the Rock is sacred to Muslims because she doesn't even know why they have it now.

    ***~Church is where bad people go to hide~***
  • Something I never knew about the Dome of the Rock?
     Reply #5 - January 06, 2013, 02:29 PM

    'the rock' in the dome of the rock is where muhammed ascended to heaven.
    It also just happens to be 'the holy of holies' for the jews where Abraham was planning to murder his son.
    I don't really see why any non Muslim would be convinced by the Islamic connection to the place. For obvious reasons, some (mainly christians) have called it a victory mosque. Others (Muslims) have called it 'the third temple', - the natural and final successor to the previous two temples (mosques).

    It is suprising that Jews aren't kicking up much of a fuss about it. At least the dome of the rock is a nice looking building. This would be pretty cool though too

  • Something I never knew about the Dome of the Rock?
     Reply #6 - January 09, 2013, 05:11 PM

    For a people that Arabs claim are taking over the world they sure do roll over a lot.

    ***~Church is where bad people go to hide~***
  • Something I never knew about the Dome of the Rock?
     Reply #7 - January 09, 2013, 06:09 PM



    It is suprising that Jews aren't kicking up much of a fuss about it. At least the dome of the rock is a nice looking building. This would be pretty cool though too

    (Clicky for piccy!)


    You're right, the second temple was a pretty sweet looking building. I wouldn't mind a crib like that myself. It's a shame they used to use the whole thing just for burning goats or whatever the hell they used to do.
  • Something I never knew about the Dome of the Rock?
     Reply #8 - January 09, 2013, 09:48 PM

    That's true. I guess the jews let muslims get their way sometimes contrary to what I've been hearing. Muslims seem to blame the jews for sabotaging everything for them. I don't think there are many islamic countries that let religious minoriities have full control of their own historic places of worship.

    ***~Church is where bad people go to hide~***
  • Something I never knew about the Dome of the Rock?
     Reply #9 - January 09, 2013, 09:54 PM

    Well as far as I know there are "mini earthquakes" happening at this site, and not because of nature. The Jews are excavating this area and looking for their historical stuff and this is destabilising the ground.

    Parts are gonna "accidentally" collapse in a few years I think. I know this seems like a conspiracy, but I think it has truth to it, and it will be justified (probably by the science/history community). The angry Muslim will just be a nuisance to the discoveries of the region.

    Just a reminder, an Islamic article on the Muslim rage for the sake of rage: http://lwtc247.wordpress.com/2010/03/08/does-it-really-matter-if-al-aqsa-mosque-is-destroyed/

    And a link for the excavation story: http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3802112,00.html

    Piece it together, and if I'm wrong any where please correct me, I've picked this info up through my random readings of the region.

    Quote from: ZooBear 

    • Surah Al-Fil: In an epic game of Angry Birds, Allah uses birds (that drop pebbles) to destroy an army riding elephants whose intentions were to destroy the Kaaba. No one has beaten the high score.

  • Something I never knew about the Dome of the Rock?
     Reply #10 - January 09, 2013, 10:52 PM

    Maybe the dome will simultaneously collaspse with other Islamic empires. I wouldn't be surprised at the sneaky excavation. I'm sorry but I wouldn't feel sorry for the Muslims there at all. If they weren't selfish maybe they could have worked something out with the Jews. But I'm afraid of the reprecussions that would have if anything were to happen to that dome.tsk tsk. Like I said I guess isreal hasn't stolenEVERYthing yet.

    ***~Church is where bad people go to hide~***
  • Something I never knew about the Dome of the Rock?
     Reply #11 - January 09, 2013, 11:09 PM

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    I'm sorry but I wouldn't feel sorry for the Muslims there at all.


    Same here Smiley Not only because of my Shia background (point being Shias don't care much for that place), but your point about selfishness too. You seem to be sympathetic to the Jewish cause though?

    I personally wouldn't support a rebuilt temple. If the dome falls, good riddance, but I'd like to see scientific/archaeological control of the site (as if <_< lol), hopefully a future of research instead of extremism. *daydream*

    Quote from: ZooBear 

    • Surah Al-Fil: In an epic game of Angry Birds, Allah uses birds (that drop pebbles) to destroy an army riding elephants whose intentions were to destroy the Kaaba. No one has beaten the high score.

  • Something I never knew about the Dome of the Rock?
     Reply #12 - January 09, 2013, 11:39 PM



    ...Well, they kind of screw them over in round about ways, but there isn't like a head on cry for blood like Islam jihad.

     

    By 'kinda screw them over in roundabout ways', if you mean that they tell them where they can live, where they can work, where they can visit, and then move the goalposts every so often by bulldozing entire settlements and building fresh Jewish ones? By kinda screwing them over, if you mean that they target their leaders and take them out whenever the urge arises, and then subjugate entire towns to carpet bombing should any retaliation arise? By kinda screwing them, if you mean that they retaliate to rocks with guns, retaliate to pistols with tanks, retaliate to angry children with trained marksmen, retaliate to a death of their own with the death of hundreds of them? By kinda screwing them, if you mean they will continue to live in a rich, developed country, with their Armani shops and their Audi showrooms, while their fellow-countrymen struggle and scrounge to feed the babies whose grave and eternal crime it is to have been born on the wrong side of the divide? By kinda screwing them, if you mean all of these things and more, then I guess you're right, that's what they do.

    ^^ How's that for an Aphrodite impression?

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  • Something I never knew about the Dome of the Rock?
     Reply #13 - January 10, 2013, 02:05 AM

    Awesome  Afro Until I read the last sentence I thought she had possessed you.

    "That it is indeed the speech of an illustrious messenger" (The Koran 69:40)
  • Something I never knew about the Dome of the Rock?
     Reply #14 - January 10, 2013, 05:04 AM


    Thank you for clarifying Musi Roll Eyes
    I amJew sympathizer :p because to me they are progressive thinkers, scientists, etc. and are usually compatible with living with everyone else all over the world (except Muslims.) And they don't try to convert me or wish hell upon me (they don't even believe in hell) or try to kill their apostates, or push their beliefs or laws on me or the world. We can do a back and forth over all the shit Israel's done to the Palestinians and all the shit Muslims all over the world do to try and kill Jews for revenge on Palestine's behalf . Both sides have done horrible things to each other. I'm an Isreali sympathizer but I also support Palestine minus their quest/solution to do genocide on the Jewish people in Israel to take everything back. Everyone should just stfu and share

    Also Arabs/Muslims  everywhere else have/had an opportunity to make their lands prosperous and rich like Israel but instead handed it ove to mullahs who dedicate much of their time focusing on blasphemy laws to kill apostates,gays,impure women, minorities, etc etc. and fighting with other sects of Islam. ignoring the sciences and  destroying any progressive movements/people who try to lift their countries out of the hole they put themselves in. That's their own damn fault.

    ***~Church is where bad people go to hide~***
  • Something I never knew about the Dome of the Rock?
     Reply #15 - January 10, 2013, 07:20 AM

    ^^ Yeah, for those reasons, I was probably a Jewish-sympathiser for the first decade of my apostasy, and possibly for a few years before that. But, I think I've since starting looking beyond the stupid religions in the equation, as well as the screwy politicians who always seem to drive the region to a direction opposite to dialogue and peace. There are innocent people affected on both sides, and as long as the vicious circle of hatred continues, and as long as the populations continue to elect people from the right to lead them, things will continue to be fucked up for a long time :(

    But anyways, didnt mean to have a go Little Miss Artist. I'm not quite myself right now, so won't stay for long this time x


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  • Something I never knew about the Dome of the Rock?
     Reply #16 - January 10, 2013, 04:46 PM

    We cool bro.   cool2

    ***~Church is where bad people go to hide~***
  • Something I never knew about the Dome of the Rock?
     Reply #17 - January 11, 2013, 04:50 AM

    Parts of Musivore's post I like Smiley

    Quote
    Also Arabs/Muslims  everywhere else have/had an opportunity to make their lands prosperous and rich like Israel but instead handed it ove to mullahs who dedicate much of their time focusing on blasphemy laws to kill apostates,gays,impure women, minorities, etc etc. and fighting with other sects of Islam. ignoring the sciences and  destroying any progressive movements/people who try to lift their countries out of the hole they put themselves in. That's their own damn fault.


    Sakura, it's not that your observations are incorrect or anything, but they are too generalised/simple.

    Driving through Baghdad in 2004, (14 years of being exiled), my dad starts crying, swearing at Saddam and saying things like "where are the buildings gone? What happened to the street lights? Why is there so much garbage everywhere? Curse Saddam!". There was a lot of hurt in his voice and it was because of what dictatorship and war had done to his country.
    Also, he commented on the messy waiting line saying that war had ruined people's manners and patience.

    I personally hate Muslim scholars/mullahs/bastards who have the power to help/guide society yet they're money scabbing hate mongers, making stupid fatwas and shit. Then there's CIA's funding of extremism whenever they need a favour in the region, then they leave the remains for the locals to figure out.
    It's easier for people living in comfort to ignore these details and just assume, say, all Iranis love their Mullahs.

    Anyway, even though I agree with your conclusion, I think it's unfair to blame the general population as if they just hand it over. Iraq's Shia uprising happened because of American encouragement and the south went ahead, but America pulled out and left them at the mercy of Saddam. Those people who's lives were ruined ended up being supporters of Muqtada AlSadr (Jaysh AlMahdi- which was very active while I was there 2004-2010) and other thieves and formed their own anti-Baathi and anti-USA (surprise?) army.

    Jaysh AlMahdi are pretty much another AlQaeda to the locals, thugs with guns, but it was a result of betrayal and oppression. They occupy the mosques to gain support and they use people's emotions and loss to manipulate (remember what Saddam did to us? Let's go on a murder rampage in a Baathi town! etc)

    Btw, I talk about Iraq/Shia all the time because that's my background, I don't know much about other places, but yeah I'm a crap explainer, hope it made sense Tongue.

    Quote from: ZooBear 

    • Surah Al-Fil: In an epic game of Angry Birds, Allah uses birds (that drop pebbles) to destroy an army riding elephants whose intentions were to destroy the Kaaba. No one has beaten the high score.

  • Something I never knew about the Dome of the Rock?
     Reply #18 - January 11, 2013, 04:58 AM

    Also, when I think of prosperous Israel, I think of the liberal and academic Israel.
     When I see/hear about the Israeli extremists/stories about ghetto communities, they pretty much look like Muslim extremists to me.
     I guess the difference is that those Israeli extremists are also seen as trouble makers by liberal Israelis. Unfortunately many Arab countries don't have that Western aspect/influence of liberalism living amongst them and balancing anything out. Sucks but hey *shrug*

    Quote from: ZooBear 

    • Surah Al-Fil: In an epic game of Angry Birds, Allah uses birds (that drop pebbles) to destroy an army riding elephants whose intentions were to destroy the Kaaba. No one has beaten the high score.

  • Something I never knew about the Dome of the Rock?
     Reply #19 - January 11, 2013, 06:35 AM

    Yeah you're right I'm oversimplifying things. Foreign influences have fucked up a lot of countries in the Middle East, I am well aware of that(Especially America, me along with quite a bit of other Americans regret going into Iraq. Bush fooled all of us and now Iraq is all fucked and we're in debt.  finmad)  Trust me Americans are pissed about Iraq. 

    I sympathize with you Jila. ;___; I hope some day Iraq recovers. I'm still confused about the whole Sunni, Shia conflict. And why it is so volatile.
    Then again I can't say it's the countries fault that they are like that. Some have tried but they keep getting killed or silenced.

    ***~Church is where bad people go to hide~***
  • Something I never knew about the Dome of the Rock?
     Reply #20 - January 16, 2013, 10:14 PM

    The design of the third temple
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M58fM2ae7Zw

    planning permission could be tricky
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