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  • A Letter to 6 year old Aisha.
     Reply #90 - February 03, 2013, 08:05 PM

    ...
  • A Letter to 6 year old Aisha.
     Reply #91 - February 03, 2013, 08:05 PM

    Nothing can retain its specialness if it happens "every time". Do I have a playa on my hands?

    I mean, you couldn't even remember her name. Couldn't have been all that special.


    "Ishinka" goes way back, it's no mistake, it's very special, was so since the first time I uttered it to her. Search it if you don't believe me.

    It's special because it's different every time, you're a unique individual and I would never stereotype you, I will appreciate you for your uniqueness.

    @asbie
    You're an idealist, all of it was serious, you want world peace, just admit it.



    "That it is indeed the speech of an illustrious messenger" (The Koran 69:40)
  • A Letter to 6 year old Aisha.
     Reply #92 - February 03, 2013, 08:11 PM

    "Ishinka" goes way back, it's no mistake, it's very special, was so since the first time I uttered it to her. Search it if you don't believe me.

    It's special because it's different every time, you're a unique individual and I would never stereotype you, I will appreciate you for your uniqueness.


    Cheesy

    Oh, stop it, you 001_wub

    Quote
    @asbie
    You're an idealist, all of it was serious, you want world peace, just admit it.


    …and the right to poop where you want to. That's very important to him.

  • A Letter to 6 year old Aisha.
     Reply #93 - February 03, 2013, 08:16 PM



    Oh, stop it, you 001_wub





    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__VQX2Xn7tI

    "That it is indeed the speech of an illustrious messenger" (The Koran 69:40)
  • A Letter to 6 year old Aisha.
     Reply #94 - February 03, 2013, 08:18 PM

    Can't watch that Huh?
  • A Letter to 6 year old Aisha.
     Reply #95 - February 03, 2013, 08:21 PM

    Osman, fix it please.

    "That it is indeed the speech of an illustrious messenger" (The Koran 69:40)
  • A Letter to 6 year old Aisha.
     Reply #96 - February 03, 2013, 08:23 PM

    Cheesy
  • A Letter to 6 year old Aisha.
     Reply #97 - February 03, 2013, 10:41 PM

    You know.....I think I'll take a step back and concede that from the information we have, Muhammad may have had sex with a prepubescent child and could then possibly be classified as a pedophile.

    The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.

    William Arthur Ward
  • A Letter to 6 year old Aisha.
     Reply #98 - February 03, 2013, 10:46 PM

     party! *"We are the Champions" by Queen plays*
  • A Letter to 6 year old Aisha.
     Reply #99 - February 03, 2013, 11:05 PM



    You weren't exactly pivotal to my change in position on this issue.

    The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.

    William Arthur Ward
  • A Letter to 6 year old Aisha.
     Reply #100 - February 03, 2013, 11:06 PM

    I don't care, I still win party!
  • A Letter to 6 year old Aisha.
     Reply #101 - February 03, 2013, 11:09 PM

    BTW you know I found out......


    The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.

    William Arthur Ward
  • A Letter to 6 year old Aisha.
     Reply #102 - February 04, 2013, 07:38 AM

    …found out what?
  • A Letter to 6 year old Aisha.
     Reply #103 - February 17, 2014, 04:50 AM

    Well, this was an interesting thread.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • A Letter to 6 year old Aisha.
     Reply #104 - February 17, 2014, 11:15 AM

    You know I've always had a problem with the characterization of Muhammad as a "pedophile", not that I have any special love for him, but I just think these claims are flimsy and inaccurate, so I will give my reasons. Sorry for going topic, but I need to get this off my chest.

    First off, when I hear of the word "pedophile" what comes to mind is a creepy old white dude that has some kind of sexual predisposition to like little boys/girls, and is always preying on them etc.  If you look at the definition of the word pedophile:

    " a psychiatric disorder in persons 16 years of age or older typically characterized by a primary or exclusive sexual interest in prepubescent children" or a "disorder of adult personality and behaviour in which there is a sexual preference for children of prepubertal or early pubertal age."

    Now, does what we know about Muhammad indicate to us he has a sexual preference for little girls?

    1. Muhammad was married to , and only to Khadiha (who was about 40), for 25 years. He wasn't married for years later.
    2. The marriage of Aisha was a result of Abu Bakr's suggestion/insistence. Muhammad did not seek the marriage. Most agree this marriage happened so they could solidify family/political ties, as was common in the time. Nothing I know seems to indicate he had a particular urge for little girls.

    Now say, would Muhammad have married Aisha if Abu Bakr did not have six year old daughter? I don't think there's any reason to believe so.

    As said, a pedophile has sexual fantasies about little children and/or has a preference for them. Many of you will say he was a warlord/dictator etc, why then didn't he get himself more child brides? Or got another child wife once Aisha passed puberty? He certainly was in the position and could have if he wanted to. I don't think there's any reason other than mere circumstance that Muhammad got into a relationship with Aisha. You may at the very best call Muhammad's alleged sex with a six year old "pedophillic behavior" but that doesn't really meet the definition of a real pedophile.

    Now, this all is of course assuming the selective hadiths that tell us this story are accurate. But again, hadiths as know often contradictory and/or unreliable/forgeries. What would you say to the Muslim that invokes "scientific scrutiny" of the hadith to disprove it/claim it unreliable? There seems to be a good case made here if you read below: http://www.ilaam.net/Articles/Ayesha.htmly


    Muhammad wanted another girl as "a gift" who was travelling with a wet nurse. Those who say that we shouldn't trust the Ahadith should also know that other than Quran, Ahadith and scholars, we have no source that tells us about him. And all those aforementioned sources say that he did have attraction towards children. So did other male Arabs.

    @ OP- Aisha's marriage was consummated when she was nine (she was playing with her dolls before she was sent to her husband's home). Muhammad 'thighed' her instead of penetration. This proves that she wasn't an adult yet. It was on Abu Bakr's request that she was send to him at nine instead of six. Whatever the case might be the thing to be noted was that Aisha wasn't asked for her consent. Even at nine what does a girl understand about marriage, during a time when kids don't progress mentally like the ones of today?
  • A Letter to 6 year old Aisha.
     Reply #105 - February 17, 2014, 11:18 AM

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    Muhammad 'thighed' her instead of penetration.

      wacko

    WTF!?

    Wheres the hadith on this?

    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • A Letter to 6 year old Aisha.
     Reply #106 - February 17, 2014, 11:22 AM

    http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/paedophile?q=paedophile

    According to Oxford dictionary a paedophile is sexually attracted towards children, NOT EXCLUSIVELY TO THEM. It's like calling a male bisexual gay, but he can like both men and women. Forget about about his desire, what about his morals? The Ahadith is contradictory not only to itself but also to the Quran. So, why not discard both?
  • A Letter to 6 year old Aisha.
     Reply #107 - February 17, 2014, 11:42 AM

    No...you said he 'thighed' her....how do you know this?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?

    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • A Letter to 6 year old Aisha.
     Reply #108 - February 17, 2014, 12:03 PM

    And here is a religious fatwah that mentions Muhammad’s physical relations with Aisha:

        Praise be to Allah and peace be upon the one after whom there is no [further] prophet.
        After the permanent committee for the scientific research and fatwahs (religious decrees) reviewed the question presented to the grand Mufti Abu Abdullah Muhammad Al-Shemary, the question forwarded to the committee by the grand scholar of the committee with reference number 1809 issued on 3/8/1421 (Islamic calendar). The inquirer asked the following:

        It has become wide spread these days, and especially during weddings, the habit of mufa’khathat of the children (mufa’khathat literally translated means "placing between the thighs" which means placing the male member between the thighs of a child). What is the opinion of scholars knowing full well that the prophet, the peace and prayer of Allah be upon him, also practiced the "thighing" of Aisha - the mother of believers - may Allah be please with her.

        After the committee studied the issue, they gave the following reply:
        It has not been the practice of the Muslims throughout the centuries to resort to this unlawful practice that has come to our countries from pornographic movies that the kufar (infidels) and enemies of Islam send. As for the prophet, peace and prayer of Allah be upon him, thighing his fiancée Aisha. She was six years of age and he could not have intercourse with her due to her small age. That is why [the prophet] peace and prayer of Allah be upon him placed HIS [MALE] MEMBER BETWEEN HER THIGHS AND MASSAGED IT SOFTLY, as the apostle of Allah had control of his [male] member not like other believers.. (Source: http://www.sout-al-haqe.com/pal/musical/mofakhaza.ram)

    The following link provides independent evidence that the above fatwah does indeed exist:
    http://www.islamic-fatwa.net/viewtopic.php?TopicID=8330

    From www.answering-islam.org.
  • A Letter to 6 year old Aisha.
     Reply #109 - February 17, 2014, 12:05 PM

    No...you said he 'thighed' her....how do you know this?Huh?Huh?Huh?Huh?


    I didn't notice your post Jedi. That post was for the one who had said that Muhammad wasn't a paedophile.
  • A Letter to 6 year old Aisha.
     Reply #110 - February 17, 2014, 12:47 PM

    Okay...will you answer it then?

    I'm interested in this thighing business.

    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • A Letter to 6 year old Aisha.
     Reply #111 - February 17, 2014, 12:54 PM

    And here is a religious fatwah that mentions Muhammad’s physical relations with Aisha:

        Praise be to Allah and peace be upon the one after whom there is no [further] prophet.
        After the permanent committee for the scientific research and fatwahs (religious decrees) reviewed the question presented to the grand Mufti Abu Abdullah Muhammad Al-Shemary, the question forwarded to the committee by the grand scholar of the committee with reference number 1809 issued on 3/8/1421 (Islamic calendar). The inquirer asked the following:

        It has become wide spread these days, and especially during weddings, the habit of mufa’khathat of the children (mufa’khathat literally translated means "placing between the thighs" which means placing the male member between the thighs of a child). What is the opinion of scholars knowing full well that the prophet, the peace and prayer of Allah be upon him, also practiced the "thighing" of Aisha - the mother of believers - may Allah be please with her.

        After the committee studied the issue, they gave the following reply:
        It has not been the practice of the Muslims throughout the centuries to resort to this unlawful practice that has come to our countries from pornographic movies that the kufar (infidels) and enemies of Islam send. As for the prophet, peace and prayer of Allah be upon him, thighing his fiancée Aisha. She was six years of age and he could not have intercourse with her due to her small age. That is why [the prophet] peace and prayer of Allah be upon him placed HIS [MALE] MEMBER BETWEEN HER THIGHS AND MASSAGED IT SOFTLY, as the apostle of Allah had control of his [male] member not like other believers.. (Source: http://www.sout-al-haqe.com/pal/musical/mofakhaza.ram)

    The following link provides independent evidence that the above fatwah does indeed exist:
    http://www.islamic-fatwa.net/viewtopic.php?TopicID=8330

    From www.answering-islam.org.


    I did already Wink.
  • A Letter to 6 year old Aisha.
     Reply #112 - February 17, 2014, 12:58 PM

    Hmmmmm....

    The link does not work. I'm not calling you a liar but until there is evidence from hadith/seerah then I won't beleive it...but thighing a 6 year old...

     vomit

    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • A Letter to 6 year old Aisha.
     Reply #113 - February 17, 2014, 01:08 PM

    Well I didn't find anything in the Sunnah either. But Muslims do follow their scholars don't they. Honestly Jedi, if Aisha wasn't physically matured, what else could he do? How will he penetrate if the entrance is closed, unless he forces his way in by hurting her like hell?! And the marriage was consummated at nine, not six Smiley. That was Abu Bakr's request to have her send to Muhammad when she reaches puberty.
  • A Letter to 6 year old Aisha.
     Reply #114 - February 17, 2014, 01:11 PM

    ............ Muhammad 'thighed' her instead of penetration. .......

     wacko

    WTF!?

    Wheres the hadith on this?

    Jedi  is diving deeper in to Islam.,  well that thighing In Islam is called as  "Mufakhathat".  Watch what Bharain Women's Activist Ghada Jamshir  says on that..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hth0YiPhcCE

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    Ghada Jamshir   is under 24-hour government surveillance; in the past, she has been brought up on charges of defaming the Sharia court system; the Bahrain media have been ordered by the government not to publish any news about her.

    That tube is from 2005.,  incidentally in the past this stupid ritual from ooold baboons was popular  in Shia communities.. Well whole Islam and every one in Islam needs reeducation .

    This thighing  criminal activity  comes right out of that Child marriage with 51 year old alleged Prophet of Islam.
    Quote
    This is the original story told by the ONLY valid biographers of Muhammad and Islam, Ibn Ishaq and Tabari, and the hadiths of Bukhari and Muslim. Refer also to the works of the Qur’an commentators Ibn Kathir and Ibn Qayyim. (Ibn Kathir, The Life of the Prophet Muhammad (Al-Sira al-Nabawiyya), Volume II, translated by professor Trevor Le Gassick, Garnet Publishing Limited, UK. The Center for Muslim Contribution to Civilization, 2000. pp. 93-94)
    (Ibn Qayyim Al-Juaziyyah, Zad-ul Ma’ad fi Hadyi Khairi-l ‘Ibad (Provisions for the Hereafter, From the Guidance of Allah’s Best Worshipper) translated by Jalal Abualrub, [Madinah Publishers & Distributors, December 2000] Volume I, pp. 157-158)

    Muhammad said that he had dreamed of Aisha before demanding her from her father, and his own brother in Islam, Abu Bakr, claiming special ‘prophets rights’ when Abu Bakr was reluctant to give her to him.

    Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 58, Number 235: Narrated 'Aisha: That the Prophet said to her, "You have been shown to me twice in my dreams. I saw you pictured on a piece of silk and someone said to me, 'This is your wife.' When I uncovered the picture, I saw that it was yours. I said, 'If this is from Allah, it will be done."

    Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 18: Narrated 'Ursa: The Prophet asked Abu Bakr for 'Aisha's hand in marriage. Abu Bakr said "But I am your brother!"

    The Prophet said, "You are my brother in Allah's religion and His Book, but she (Aisha) is lawful for me to marry."

    Marriage to a female already offered to another was illegal in Arab law. Abu Bakr had already arranged for Aisha to marry Djubayr Mutim.

    Muhammad married ‘A’isha in Mecca when she was a child of six and lived with her in Medina when she was nine or ten. She was the only virgin that he married. Her father, Abu Bakr, married her to him and the apostle gave her four hundred dirhams. (Ibn Ishaq, Sirat Rasulullah (The Life of Muhammad) translated by Alfred Guillaume [Oxford University Press, p. 792)
    Tabari VII:7 “The Prophet married Aisha in Mecca three years before the Hijrah, after the death of Khadija. At the time she was six.”

    Tabari IX:128 “When the Prophet married Aisha, she was very young and not yet ready for consummation.” [The History of Al-Tabari: The Foundation of the Community] translated by M.V. McDonald annotated by W. Montgomery Watt [State University of New York Press, Albany 1987], Volume VII, pp. 6-7) (The History of Al-Tabari: The Last Years of the Prophet, translated and annotated by Ismail K. Poonawala [State University of New York Press, Albany 1990], Volume IX, pp. 129-130)

    Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 58, Number 236: Narrated Hisham's father: Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married 'Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consummated that marriage when she was nine years old.


    and that stupid tsuff comes out of an IDIOT Mufti Abu Abdullah Muhammad Al-Shemary in the name of Fatwa..

    Quote
    A religious fatwah that mentions Muhammad’s physical relations with Aisha:

    Praise be to Allah and peace be upon the one after whom there is no [further] prophet.
    After the permanent committee for the scientific research and fatwahs (religious decrees) reviewed the question presented to the grand Mufti Abu Abdullah Muhammad Al-Shemary, the question forwarded to the committee by the grand scholar of the committee with reference number 1809 issued on 3/8/1421 (Islamic calendar). The inquirer asked the following:

    It has become wide spread these days, and especially during weddings, the habit of mufa’khathat of the children (mufa’khathat literally translated means "placing between the thighs" which means placing the male member between the thighs of a child). What is the opinion of scholars knowing full well that the prophet, the peace and prayer of Allah be upon him, also practiced the "thighing" of Aisha - the mother of believers - may Allah be please with her.

    After the committee studied the issue, they gave the following reply:
    It has not been the practice of the Muslims throughout the centuries to resort to this unlawful practice that has come to our countries from pornographic movies that the kufar (infidels) and enemies of Islam send. As for the prophet, peace and prayer of Allah be upon him, thighing his fiancée Aisha. She was six years of age and he could not have intercourse with her due to her small age. That is why [the prophet] peace and prayer of Allah be upon him placed HIS [MALE] MEMBER BETWEEN HER THIGHS AND MASSAGED IT SOFTLY, as the apostle of Allah had control of his [male] member not like other believers


    So A question on that was posed by  A RASCAL at ummah.com but no one answered his question for that past 8 years..

    Fools like that rascal don't know some of these questions are NOT for public..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • A Letter to 6 year old Aisha.
     Reply #115 - February 17, 2014, 01:16 PM

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    "A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby. However, he should not penetrate; sodomising the child is OK. If the man penetrates and damages the child then he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. This girl, however, does not count as one of his four permanent wives. The man will not be eligible to marry the girl's sister." It is better for a girl to marry in such a time when she would begin menstruation at her husband's house rather than her father's home. Any father marrying his daughter so young will have a permanent place in heaven."    Khomeini's book, Tahrirolvasyleh, vol. 4, Darol Elm, Gom, Iran, 1990,

      

    read that whole book of THAT BIG BABOON KHOMEINI here .. He threw  Persia  back in to 7th century

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • A Letter to 6 year old Aisha.
     Reply #116 - February 17, 2014, 01:20 PM

    Okay...will you answer it then?

    I'm interested in this thighing business.


     huh!      why?? Jedi WHY??

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • A Letter to 6 year old Aisha.
     Reply #117 - February 17, 2014, 01:26 PM

    Hmmmm....this is unbelievably disgusting and....Jesus Christ I can't bear thinking about it....

    But the video and other information show 'thighing' to be a cultural practise. Is there any hadith evidence that Mo thighed Aisha rather than assuming that he did?

    Yeezy bhai...yeh kaise dunya hai....

    Quote
    "A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby. However, he should not penetrate; sodomising the child is OK. If the man penetrates and damages the child then he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life."


    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • A Letter to 6 year old Aisha.
     Reply #118 - February 17, 2014, 01:41 PM


    But the video and other information show 'thighing' to be a cultural practise. Is there any hadith evidence that Mo thighed Aisha rather than assuming that he did?

    what is hadith Jedi?

    They are stupid stories REAL+IMAGINARY by the idiots of early Islam. A direct reference on Muhammad on this THIGHING  criminal activity is NOT THERE IN ANY HADITH with in 100 year of his death.   But These ISLAMIC SCOUNDRELS they imagine things.,  It goes like this

    ...So prophet of Islam is our role model for ever
    .....He was 51 year old guy when he married 6 year old Aisha
    ....He consummated Aisha when she was 9
    .....but during three year this SODOM nut case was playing with Aisha with those hide and seek games..
    ..... So you know the guy married that little girl with her parents blessings and he is sexually active..
    .....So how can he be satisfied??

    Now such imaginative thinking goes in hyper mode by these intellectual idiots that preach Islam.   AND SUCH ROGUES OF ISLAM ISSUE THESE FATWAS TO SAVE THE SEX OBSESSED PEDOPHILE. BABOONS OF ISLAM.

    That is how these Islamic rules about sex/marriage/family life comes out in to society.  Now Question is, did Muhammad really do it?  but who is Muhammad of Islam?   Is he "Single character  through out Islam or it is Multiple characters put together?

    Here I say., the Original Muhammad didn't do it.. I give benefit of doubt to that guy Jedi.

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • A Letter to 6 year old Aisha.
     Reply #119 - February 17, 2014, 01:52 PM

     vomit vomit vomit vomit

    What protection does Islam give children anyway?

    More children have been saved by the kafir Convention on the Rights of the Child than by Shariah.

    Shariah for Scoudnrels when you have these beasts ruling. But scary thing is KHOMEINI is no unimportant person ...... he was/is one fo the most influential personalities in the world  nd no doubt some sunnis will look to his example as well if it gives them the green card to molest little girls.

    Those arseholes need a smackdown!

    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
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