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  • "Asian" rape gangs
     Reply #30 - March 02, 2013, 09:33 AM

    To be fair Oz it's more about their targets being a different culture than different religion. They are not motivated by religion nor are they targeting girls primarily because of their religion. The main reason they target them is because they are outside their culture and community.

    For example I know of a Pakistani guy who preyed on Moroccan girls in Ladbroke Grove. They were Muslim but he didn't give a shit. What he did give a shit about was they were:

    1. Outside his own community and culture.

    2. At hand to prey on.

    Calling them "Muslim Gangs" is misleading and gives the impression they are either choosing people specifically because of religion or motivated by religion or both - which they are not.

  • "Asian" rape gangs
     Reply #31 - March 02, 2013, 10:13 AM

    Ok, so in that case name them by their community (which would not be "Asian").

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  • "Asian" rape gangs
     Reply #32 - March 02, 2013, 10:26 AM

    ^What would it be then? "Muslim Asian"?
  • "Asian" rape gangs
     Reply #33 - March 02, 2013, 10:43 AM

    Nope. It'd be whatever they use as an identifier for their gang. If the bloke Hass was talking about was in a gang with others from the same community, and they targeted anyone who wasn't Pakistani, then it'd be a Pakistani gang. Simple.

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  • "Asian" rape gangs
     Reply #34 - March 02, 2013, 11:14 AM

    Don't see what the problem is. These people are Asian, in the UK sense. Not religiously motivated. Nothing to suggest in the report that they're all from one country in Asia. Asian seems fine.
  • "Asian" rape gangs
     Reply #35 - March 02, 2013, 09:03 PM

    Sure, if it's a mixed gang then that would work. If it isn't, I'd use a more specific identifier if it was felt an identifier was needed. IF it was a gang that was specifically targeting "kuffar girls" then I would say calling it a Muslim gang would be accurate. If not, then call it something else.

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  • "Asian" rape gangs
     Reply #36 - March 04, 2013, 02:53 AM

    Ok, say you get a can opener and open a can. You look inside, and to your astonishment the can is entirely filled with baked beans. Would it then be fair to say "Hey, this is a can of baked beans"?

    Note that saying this does not preclude an awareness that not all of the baked beans in the world are residing in said can. Given a reasonable knowledge of baked beans, one would conclude that not only were the vast majority of the world's baked beans not currently in said can, but that they had never had any participation in said can, and in fact would not approve of the contents of said can if asked.*

    Nevertheless, it's still a can of baked beans. Afro


    *I am reasonably certain that asking baked beans if they approve of something is unlikely to elicit an affirmative response.


    You open a can of beans cuz there's beans inside. The problem with an asian rape gang, or black rape gang or white rape gang is the same in all cases, the "rape gang" part. I don't see why there needs to be a different approach to tackling any of them.

    Edit: Same like I'll eat beans out of a jar too, like it's not the "jar of" or "can of" that matters. Hell, mot the time I'll just say I'm eating beans.

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  • "Asian" rape gangs
     Reply #37 - March 05, 2013, 02:02 AM

    I agree that the "rape gang" part is the problem. However, if it was a crochet gang we were talking about, nobody would care if it was an Asian crochet gang or a Muslim crochet gang. It simply wouldn't occur to anyone here to argue the point. You could describe it as either without fear of contradiction.

    This thread started because someone asked why the gang was being described as "Asian". It's a reasonable question. Using "Asian" as a description is not really any more accurate than using several other terms.

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  • "Asian" rape gangs
     Reply #38 - March 07, 2013, 12:06 PM

    I live in Bradford and today's headlines are once again pointing to two Pakistani heritage men jailed for a combined 36 years for travelling to nearby Keighley and grooming under age girls and raping them.

    We hear about these types of stories, usually involving Pakistani heritage men, frequently within the city's parameters.
    In my view describing these gangs as Asian gangs offers an unfair sweeping generalization upon the entire Asian community, which in Bradford consists of Pakistani Muslims, Indian heritage Sikh's and Hindus.

    Simply put, in respect of Asian men in Northern England committing these kinds of crimes, the trend seems to point to the Pakistani community. And compelling the media to describe these gangs as 'Muslim gangs', is equally unfair. Islam has little do with the motivation behind sociopathic Pakistani heritage men acting in gangs raping and molesting under age girls.
    Pakistani's already have a bad image throughout Yorkshire. And this fact is hardly at the behest of any knuckle dragging BNP candidate. Whilst the rest of the city gets on, marries one another, creating long lasting inter racial relationships and friendships, Pakistani's contained within the city's core - happily blissfully ignorant of anything non-Pakistani, with a strong sense of community, holding up two fingers to assimilation, cooperation, and benefiting from the nation's fear of being smacked with the unshakable tags of racism, Islamaphobia et al.

    Bradford's Pakistani's will take to the streets to protest Rusdie, BNP, EDL, and any anti Islamic vitriol, but will do nothing to acknowledge or curtail their reputation for socio pathic tendencies, lack of assimilation, racism, pedo gangs, drug gangs, grand theft auto gangs, creating the highest insurance premiums in the country because of their pin pointed communities decision to evade the legal way in virtually every form.

    Like it or lump it, an immigrant Pakistani community that does little to fully assimilate into its adopted country, voluntarily segregating itself from the native 'Britishers', whilst over representing itself in many crime statistics, all wrapped up with an incredibly ugly image nationwide of crime, fraud, gang rape, racism, gangs, etc, all propped up by the local community leaders who do absolutely nothing in condemning their community members - you cannot blame the local people white, sikh, black, hindu etc, for viewing this community with a sense of derision.

    Pakistani's are in constant demand to be treated as an almost separate entity and default community. We have seen many examples of this in Bradford. The Pakistani community this, community that. Community leaders more than happy to take centre stage. There is no other community in Bradford that demands special recognition. However when it comes to crime and the modern day reputation associated justifiably with certain members of their community; they do not wish to be described or judged as a community. 'We're all the same. No we're not.

    You cannot have it both ways. They are either a separate community intent on defending their right to be seen as such, or they're not. When grooming figures in the north point toward a trend amongst Pakistani heritage men, coincidentally we are encouraged no longer to view them as a community block.

    Never associate Bradford Murpuri Pakistani's with the decent Muslims, and never associate these people with the Sikh's and Hindu's. They should be described for what they are - Pakistani's.
  • "Asian" rape gangs
     Reply #39 - March 07, 2013, 12:29 PM

    And not all Pakistanis belong in that category either.

    Saying that an entire community has a "reputation for socio pathic tendencies" is a serious case of rhetorical collective demonisation.

    Nobody denies there may be issues within parts of the Pakistani community in Yorkshire, but they're best discussed in measured and accurate ways that don't ascribe collective 'socio pathic' tendencies to an entire community.

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  • "Asian" rape gangs
     Reply #40 - May 15, 2013, 12:23 AM

    Seven men found guilty of running child sex trafficking ring in Oxfordshire....

    http://news.sky.com/story/1090821/oxfordshire-child-sex-trafficking-ring-guilty

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  • "Asian" rape gangs
     Reply #41 - May 19, 2013, 02:51 PM

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    Why not just say in the media that they are Muslim rape gangs so focus can be put on the community that has this problem.

    Can you name some cases where a "community" has been able to stamp out criminal behavior?
  • "Asian" rape gangs
     Reply #42 - May 19, 2013, 03:07 PM

    I wish they referred to it as Muslims instead of Asians.  I am so fucking sick of the association of Asians being Muslims...

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  • "Asian" rape gangs
     Reply #43 - May 19, 2013, 05:05 PM

    Seven men found guilty of running child sex trafficking ring in Oxfordshire....

    http://news.sky.com/story/1090821/oxfordshire-child-sex-trafficking-ring-guilty


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  • "Asian" rape gangs
     Reply #44 - May 19, 2013, 06:51 PM

    To be fair Oz it's more about their targets being a different culture than different religion. They are not motivated by religion nor are they targeting girls primarily because of their religion. The main reason they target them is because they are outside their culture and community.

    I disagree. Had the victims been from their own culture, hanging around the streets day and night, they would have been targeted too.
    Their only hesitation, if any, would be in case a relative of the girls finds out and comes around to kill them to protect the family 'honour'.
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