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  • Hamza unleashes on evolution
     OP - February 04, 2013, 02:21 PM
    Hamza tzortzis is trying to philosophically argue away with evolution and science.

    http://www.hamzatzortzis.com/essays-articles/philosophy-theology/has-evolution-been-misunderstood-revelation-science-and-certainty/

    I haven't read most of it, but i get the gist. Get ready for the same quran miracle mantra.
  • Hamza unleashes on evolution
     Reply #1 - February 04, 2013, 02:51 PM
    I didn't bother downloading the paper, but I read the exerpt on the page, seems like he wants to philosophically disprove evolution, I don't think he realises philosophy doesn't prove or disprove anything, you prove something by reason and evidence. Also he has an obsession with scientism and outdated cliches (see what I did there Wink) about empricism which are stuck in the 1950s veiws like science and the philosophy of science doesn't move on and improve.

    I'd be interested if hasn't regurgitated intelligent design arguments to the letter. Might just the article ago just for that.
  • Hamza unleashes on evolution
     Reply #2 - February 04, 2013, 02:57 PM
    Ok i just read one of his premises:

    Quote
    v.            Divine revelation is certain knowledge (this type of certain knowledge is known as al-‘ilm al-qat’i) which can be proven using deductive arguments.


    Ah crap, now we're in trouble. Which certain knowledge shall i follow the bible, torah, quran or satanic bible? oh wait its only the quran, revealed to a supposedly unintelligent desert merchant.
    Ok i guess facts (that don't contradict quran) are now what i shall accept as CERTAIN KNOWLEDGE!!  Cheesy

  • Hamza unleashes on evolution
     Reply #3 - February 04, 2013, 03:11 PM
    The charlatan doing what a charlatan does best.

    I can't believe how pompously he can write 2000 words, trying to prove a point a truly articulate person would make in minute or so. I wish he could make clear cut points and also address the arguments from those who think that religion and science are irreconcilable. Like Sam Harris wrote:

    "This is the situation: If religion is true, then the scientific  worldview would be so blinkered and susceptible to supernatural modifications as to be rendered almost completely ridiculous. If religion is false, then billions are wasting their time on baseless superstition, putting their hopes and fears in non-true beliefs, often with tragic results. Is this a dichotomy about which science can claim to be neutral?"
    Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it.
  • Hamza unleashes on evolution
     Reply #4 - February 04, 2013, 03:47 PM
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIBY9QPL8i8
  • Hamza unleashes on evolution
     Reply #5 - February 04, 2013, 05:00 PM
     Cheesy Nice find
  • Hamza unleashes on evolution
     Reply #6 - February 04, 2013, 08:06 PM
    Does he himself really believe that he has something intelligent/worthwhile to say?
    Surely he must know. Surely there have been clues his whole life telling him that he is just a chump.
  • Hamza unleashes on evolution
     Reply #7 - February 04, 2013, 08:17 PM
    Science/evolutionary science cant be absolutely certain
    Because the quran is an inimitable miracle, muslims are (claim to be) certain
    Thereore muslims win


    Pretty predictable really. I was hoping he would answer the question "Does Hamza Tzortzis understand evolution?". He chose not to expose his ignorance on the topic. A relatively wise decision, but it won't help him.
  • Hamza unleashes on evolution
     Reply #8 - February 04, 2013, 08:53 PM
    So I speed skimmed the whole thing and have concluded that Hamza is still a dick.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Hamza unleashes on evolution
     Reply #9 - February 04, 2013, 08:55 PM
    And a tiny, unimpressive one at that.
  • Hamza unleashes on evolution
     Reply #10 - February 04, 2013, 09:00 PM
    I said this the other day in the staff board:

    Quote from: osmanthus
    Skimmed it. Appears to be fucking drivel. parrot

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Hamza unleashes on evolution
     Reply #11 - February 07, 2013, 02:12 PM
    right let's all start debunking 2 + 2 by using spelling and not maths  

    two plus two can't be FOUR, it's really spelt FOR, becos we can't be certain of how 4 is spelt we can't be certain 2 + 2 = 4

    Roll Eyes
  • Hamza unleashes on evolution
     Reply #12 - February 07, 2013, 02:46 PM
    Yea Hamza is now on the level of Young Earth Creationists and voodoo priests who take their religion as the truth while ignoring evidence. Hamza conveniently left out the data that makes his deductive arguments valid.
    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Hamza unleashes on evolution
     Reply #13 - February 07, 2013, 09:35 PM
    Classic quote from Hammy here at 2:23:
    "This is scientific mumbo jumbo. We dont have to really know what this means."

    "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRZrLW2s7r8&feature=youtu.be&t=2m23s
  • Hamza unleashes on evolution
     Reply #14 - February 07, 2013, 09:43 PM
     Cheesy What an idiot.

    "We don't have to undestand what this means.............but we must ask this question..."

    Awesome. Cheesy
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Hamza unleashes on evolution
     Reply #15 - February 07, 2013, 09:46 PM
     Cheesy Good ole Ham-bone
  • Hamza unleashes on evolution
     Reply #16 - February 07, 2013, 09:47 PM
    He's what a stupid person thinks a smart person sounds like.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Hamza unleashes on evolution
     Reply #17 - February 07, 2013, 09:53 PM
    that is an awesome way to put it
  • Hamza unleashes on evolution
     Reply #18 - February 07, 2013, 10:00 PM
    Quote from: Ishina on February 07, 2013, 09:47 PM
    He's what a stupid person thinks a smart person sounds like.


    You win Thursday February 7th 2013

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


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    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Hamza unleashes on evolution
     Reply #19 - February 07, 2013, 11:58 PM
    I will never forget that video where Abdul Raheem Green had the audacity to call Hamza Tzortzis "The Muslim Aristotle." Maybe he is, but for stupid people.
    Tell the bird of superstitions not to speak
    The string of reasons will tie its beak
    Even if faith comes with water of the seven seas
    It'll evaporate on the griddle of wisdom with a shriek.

     - Josh Malihabadi
  • Hamza unleashes on evolution
     Reply #20 - February 09, 2013, 06:57 AM
    Quote from: Ishina on February 07, 2013, 09:47 PM
    He's what a stupid person thinks a smart person sounds like.

    Nothing can be more contrary to religion and the clergy than reason and common sense. - Voltaire
  • Hamza unleashes on evolution
     Reply #21 - February 09, 2013, 06:00 PM
    Quote from: Mohammed Mohsin on February 07, 2013, 11:58 PM
    I will never forget that video where Abdul Raheem Green had the audacity to call Hamza Tzortzis "The Muslim Aristotle." Maybe he is, but for stupid people.



    I bet Aristotle was cringing in his grave when he heard that.   Cheesy  Cheesy

     
    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • Hamza unleashes on evolution
     Reply #22 - February 09, 2013, 06:02 PM
    *Walks by the street seeing Hamza and IERA rambling about on evolution"


    *TheDarkRebel throws pokeball.*  " Richad Dawkins I choose you! "

    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • Hamza unleashes on evolution
     Reply #23 - February 15, 2013, 04:12 PM
    Here is The Rationalizer's rebuttal to the question by Mr Tzortzis .." has evolution been misunderstood. "
    http://therationaliser.blogspot.co.uk/2013/02/iera-has-evolution-been-misunderstood.html
    Nice Work The Rationalizer  Afro
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