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  • I shocked my family on Sunday
     Reply #90 - September 08, 2013, 10:21 AM

    Can you guys prove, objectively, that objectifying women is wrong?
    The reason why you are all confused is because in the OP, what I did was explain to my family that Muslims objectify women. It wasn't my intention to objectify this particular girl, and I didn't.

    Then I admitted that I value objectifying women. Some value the opposite. Who is right and who is wrong?

    All I have heard so far is personal attacks and emotional responses from people that value different things than I do. It makes you look like fundamentalists/moralists too, you know? "I do this therefore you should do it too. I don't value this therefore you shouldn't either". Nothing of substance has been presented against my stance on objectifying women.



    See that if you neglect the RUBBISH, selltek is asking very important question..  do you want to me answer your question selltek?

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • I shocked my family on Sunday
     Reply #91 - September 08, 2013, 11:06 AM

    See that if you neglect the RUBBISH, selltek is asking very important question..  do you want to me answer your question selltek?


    Please, go ahead.
  • I shocked my family on Sunday
     Reply #92 - September 08, 2013, 01:25 PM

    Please, go ahead.


    Hmm Yes sure selltek.. join me .. So you are NOT from Pakistan.. right ?  Cheesy

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • I shocked my family on Sunday
     Reply #93 - September 08, 2013, 04:13 PM

    Hmm Yes sure selltek.. join me .. So you are NOT from Pakistan.. right ?  Cheesy


    Ana Magrabi a sahbi, sh3andek?

    I am from tangier.

    How do boobs objectively prove that objectifying women is wrong? Are you reducing women to sexual organs?
  • I shocked my family on Sunday
     Reply #94 - September 08, 2013, 04:19 PM

    Can you guys prove, objectively, that objectifying women is wrong?


    Yes.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • I shocked my family on Sunday
     Reply #95 - September 08, 2013, 05:01 PM

    Yes.


    Then please go ahead and do it.

    Thanks in advance.
  • I shocked my family on Sunday
     Reply #96 - September 08, 2013, 07:30 PM

    Here's a picture of a unicorn:


    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • I shocked my family on Sunday
     Reply #97 - September 08, 2013, 09:21 PM

    See that if you neglect the RUBBISH, selltek is asking very important question..  do you want to me answer your question selltek?


    Yes.


    Still waiting for you to to respond... don't let the ladies down...
  • I shocked my family on Sunday
     Reply #98 - September 08, 2013, 10:23 PM

    Selltek or should I say Seeker in another guise. Spidey senses tingling.

    - I don't know if you can objectively prove that objectifying women is wrong. I know it is not right. It's natural but there is self-control. Nothing wrong with look but don't touch. Obviously you enjoy it because, if what you write is true, you are appreciated by the female form. Objectifying seems to work for you. Cos subjectively you do come across as someone who wouldn't be appreciated by females. I suppose as long as your entanglements don't cause major harm to other individuals/relationship, I see nothing wrong, consenting adults again. Islam isn't the answer though, dude.

    Evolution, Agriculture, Religion, Reaction against religion, Media and Money have caused our mindset. The answer is not the burkha, not the bikini(I know they are not directly equivalent) but somewhere in the middle.


    ETA - if ya cause more harm/damage than gets dished to you - you get a place in my hell.

    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • I shocked my family on Sunday
     Reply #99 - September 08, 2013, 10:37 PM

    Selltek or should I say Seeker in another guise. Spidey senses tingling.

    - I don't know if you can objectively prove that objectifying women is wrong. I know it is not right.


    You mean you don't value objectifying women therefore it is wrong? Are you the measure of all things?


    It's natural but there is self-control.


    What is natural, objectifying women? Is this self controlled imposed by society or is it voluntary and free?


    Nothing wrong with look but don't touch.


    I don't get where you are going...

    Obviously you enjoy it because, if what you write is true, you are appreciated by the female form.


    I appreciate women in general, not just their form. Unless it is sex only, then form is all that matters.

    Objectifying seems to work for you. Cos subjectively you do come across as someone who wouldn't be appreciated by females.


    All females? You making universal statements?

    You say: Objectifying seems to work for you because women don't appreciate you?

    Can you expound on this?

    I suppose as long as your entanglements don't cause major harm to other individuals/relationship, I see nothing wrong, consenting adults again.


    I agree.

    Islam isn't the answer though, dude.


    I never claimed that it is.

    Evolution, Agriculture, Religion, Reaction against religion, Media and Money have caused our mindset. The answer is not the burkha, not the bikini(I know they are not directly equivalent) but somewhere in the middle.


    I understand.
  • I shocked my family on Sunday
     Reply #100 - September 08, 2013, 10:39 PM

    In other news:


    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • I shocked my family on Sunday
     Reply #101 - September 08, 2013, 11:04 PM

    Seeker -

    I reckon if there was a vote - the public had a question - is it wrong to objectify the opposite sex - I would say a clear majority would say yes it is wrong, even though they might still do it.

    I know when I went to Saudi Arabia for Umrah, them two weeks did not feel a tingle, no objectifying, no women to be appreciated thought that was a fantastic holiday, obviously it does not work in Saudi Arabia because that is the norm over there, so they will objectify, eyes, hair, hands, toes, goats but it worked for someone living in the West.

    It is natural to our biology. It was a good thing back then. You might have had a mating chance once in a long while. Now it is open season, similar to perhaps how sweet tooth was helpful back in the caveman days, not so much now because food companies take your evolutionary base instincts and get you fat.

    As long as objectifying leads to the objectifier doing no harm to any other individual/relationship, there is nothing majorly wrong. Should have said don't touch, if not requested.

    I am saying that if what you write is true i.e women biologically programmed to like you blah yada etc, then it is a good thing for you, wish I was lol, just thinking if those same women read what/how you write about them here, i.e calling them handkerchiefs was it? they might not appreciate you so much, not all women of course. They are a funny bunch, you don't males visiting/writing to/marrying mass murderers on life sentences.

    After that you undeestood and agreed, with the three remaining comments of mine you quoted. Just saying won't be long before you do say Islam is the answer.

    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • I shocked my family on Sunday
     Reply #102 - September 08, 2013, 11:19 PM

    Seeker -


    Who is this?

    I reckon if there was a vote - the public had a question - is it wrong to objectify the opposite sex - I would say a clear majority would say yes it is wrong, even though they might still do it.


    This would be an appeal to popularity. Nothing objective here.

    I know when I went to Saudi Arabia for Umrah, them two weeks did not feel a tingle, no objectifying, no women to be appreciated thought that was a fantastic holiday, obviously it does not work in Saudi Arabia because that is the norm over there, so they will objectify, eyes, hair, hands, toes, goats but it worked for someone living in the West.


    OK


    It is natural to our biology. It was a good thing back then. You might have had a mating chance once in a long while. Now it is open season, similar to perhaps how sweet tooth was helpful back in the caveman days, not so much now because food companies take your evolutionary base instincts and get you fat.


    Too much sugar can make you fat and unhealthy. But too much sex... I don't think it will cause harm.


    As long as objectifying leads to the objectifier doing no harm to any other individual/relationship, there is nothing majorly wrong. Should have said don't touch, if not requested.


    Objectifying is not rape or sexual abuse. If it just comparing a person to an object, in your mind.


    I am saying that if what you write is true i.e women biologically programmed to like you blah yada etc, then it is a good thing for you, wish I was lol, just thinking if those same women read what/how you write about them here, i.e calling them handkerchiefs was it? they might not appreciate you so much, not all women of course. They are a funny bunch, you don't males visiting/writing to/marrying mass murderers on life sentences.


    What I said about biological attractiveness is just that I am tall 1.84cm, 87kg, 8-9% bodyfat. Women want healthy genetics for their offspring, and I have just what they need.

    After that you undeestood and agreed, with the three remaining comments of mine you quoted. Just saying won't be long before you do say Islam is the answer.


    Will never say that. How did you reach this conclusion?
  • I shocked my family on Sunday
     Reply #103 - September 08, 2013, 11:40 PM

    Your first and last line - is the answer to both of them. One is associated with the other. Koolio wont call you Seeker lol

    Like I said I don't think you can prove it objectively. I think as it is natural, the only way to decrease would be to ask men not to be selfish and for the sake of a five minute shuffle put up with the porn available now. Raise the age of porn star (sex workers) female to over twenty-five, and a bar at age twenty-five for males. pay males the same as the females. Regulate. (I have no ideas about gay porn, imagine young boys are all the rage) because have an information campaign for some of us, that even though that woman may dress like a slut, walk like a slut and act like a slut, it does not mean she is a 'slut' or that you have a right to touch her/ogle - you don't - a look is fine (though to most women I suppose a leer by a good looking guy is a look and to an undesirable a look is a leer lol). Kill the notion that sex sells, but that would be the end of capitalism. Tell muslim men and others that white women are more than those that appear in the media, city-centres on weekends and porn.

    I never said sex did cause harm. Said that that is the principle behind how objectifying is natural to an extent. Though more sex entanglements lead to the possibility of chaos, ( I mean sexual jealousy/infidelity/etc ) not saying I am exemplary, I might get a short sentence in my hell, who knows.

    I see no disagreements with the line that objectifying is not rape or sexual abuse. Whatever gave you that idea?

    So you look as arrogant as you sound. Lol

     


    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • I shocked my family on Sunday
     Reply #104 - September 08, 2013, 11:49 PM

    I am not arrogant. I am just honest.

    I said it many times. I objectify women only when it is sex and nothing more.

    There are many girls I know and respect, some of them are used up handkerchiefs and others have never been used before. But I treat them equally, as if they belonged to my brother.

    I know there is more than just sex when it comes to women. Just like there is more to a car than the max speed. You have to appreciate the design, form, the comfort, the sound and all of that.
  • I shocked my family on Sunday
     Reply #105 - September 09, 2013, 01:08 AM

    "...as if they belonged to my brother. "

    WTF did i just read?
  • I shocked my family on Sunday
     Reply #106 - September 09, 2013, 04:37 AM

    ............I objectify women only when it is sex and nothing more.

    well there is nothing wrong in that selltek as long as it is Mutual...
    Quote
    There are many girls I know and respect, some of them are used up handkerchiefs and others have never been used before. But I treat them equally, as if they belonged to my brother.

    Hmm...   you have a brother also??   get the guy over here. common ask him to join the forum selltek., do you  have any sisters??

    Quote
    I know there is more than just sex when it comes to women. Just like there is more to a car than the max speed.

    really? what else is there selltek

    Quote
    You have to appreciate the design, form, the comfort, the sound and all of that.

    yes comfort is important..  it is like a good bed to sleep over..  King Tut  is a handsome guy.. So you are over 6foot and 180 pounds?? well  you sound as handsome as this guy..



    See whether you match that guy's physical and mental abilities http://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/77312987.html


    Well this  is a good video from a little boy..
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOJVcYHIkZM

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • I shocked my family on Sunday
     Reply #107 - September 09, 2013, 11:49 AM

    Yeezevee, my family doesn't know I am an apostate. It wouldn't be a good idea to get by bro here.



  • I shocked my family on Sunday
     Reply #108 - September 09, 2013, 11:54 AM

    Yeezevee, my family doesn't know I am an apostate. It wouldn't be a good idea to get by bro here.


    well your family doesn't know many things about you selltek.. you are a unique guy and great role model for those who left Islam..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • I shocked my family on Sunday
     Reply #109 - September 09, 2013, 12:34 PM

    There are many girls I know and respect, some of them are used up handkerchiefs and others have never been used before. But I treat them equally, as if they belonged to my brother.

    Couldn't help reading this in a Borat acccent.
  • I shocked my family on Sunday
     Reply #110 - September 09, 2013, 02:35 PM

    well your family doesn't know many things about you selltek.. you are a unique guy and great role model for those who left Islam..


    I'm not unique, nor a great role model for anyone. I am just me. If you like my ways and want to emulate me then that's up to you.

    Where are you from Yeezevee? Pakistan, Indonesia?
  • I shocked my family on Sunday
     Reply #111 - September 09, 2013, 06:32 PM

    some of them are used up handkerchiefs and others have never been used before. But I treat them equally, as if they belonged to my brother.


     015 Lol,

    Belonged :S do you genuinely think women are owned like slaves or are you purposely trying to be antagonizing? I'm guessing you wouldn't say "like he belonged to my sister" about a man or would you?

    Do you live in Morocco alpha male? Would you say your values are representative of your culture? Like many men from an Islamic culture tend to have views like you, would you agree? When you do decide to settle down for marriage could I assume you would want a woman younger than you that is an unused handkerchief?


    "Make anyone believe their own knowledge and logic is insufficient and you'll have a puppet susceptible to manipulation."
  • I shocked my family on Sunday
     Reply #112 - September 09, 2013, 06:35 PM

    I think he's still a virgin...
  • I shocked my family on Sunday
     Reply #113 - September 09, 2013, 06:42 PM

    Lol maybe the handkerchief is really a handkerchief.... although he did say he uses prostitutes

    "Make anyone believe their own knowledge and logic is insufficient and you'll have a puppet susceptible to manipulation."
  • I shocked my family on Sunday
     Reply #114 - September 10, 2013, 12:54 PM

    015 Lol,

    Belonged :S do you genuinely think women are owned like slaves or are you purposely trying to be antagonizing? I'm guessing you wouldn't say "like he belonged to my sister" about a man or would you?

    Do you live in Morocco alpha male? Would you say your values are representative of your culture? Like many men from an Islamic culture tend to have views like you, would you agree? When you do decide to settle down for marriage could I assume you would want a woman younger than you that is an unused handkerchief?




    I left Morocco years ago.

    I don't say that women are slaves, women are free. I would compare women to the cars of the future, with radars and maybe even artificial intelligence. It is still your property and under your control, but it can have some autonomy when for example you doze off in a car and it uses the radar system to pull off to the road side, or slow down when you approach a car from behind, cruise control, etc...

    And when I decide to settle down, I would prefer a 0 km car. A car I chose, where I choose the size of the tyres, rims, interior/exterior colour, options, etc.

    The handkerchiefs are prostitutes, they are cheap and you use and throw.

    In regards to Muslim men having views like me, I don't know. I don't represent any particular demographic, you know, I am me.
  • I shocked my family on Sunday
     Reply #115 - September 10, 2013, 12:56 PM

    I'm not unique, nor a great role model for anyone. I am just me. If you like my ways and want to emulate me then that's up to you.

    How are you doing selltek ?
    what is cooking selltek ?
    what is the problem selltek?

    Why would say that?  You are a unique guy, you are a role model for some in certain aspects. Off course I would love to emulate you in certain things.   There are few guys/girls who loves her/his mother so much  that he will insult her.. May be you were trying to educate her.   But I think there are better ways and you do owe an apology for them and for yourself.  It is good to be rebel and ask questions. And you should do that for others and TO YOURSELF selltek.

    Quote
    Where are you from Yeezevee? Pakistan, Indonesia?

    that is the2nd time you are asking me.. you didn't read the link I gave.,  did you??  So you are from that Tangier?? Is it AMRIKA Tangier or that real  Tangier from Africa?

    Any way., Selltek you are luck guy.. you are very lucky guy.. Are you a Berber??

    with best wishes
    yeezevee

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • I shocked my family on Sunday
     Reply #116 - September 10, 2013, 01:18 PM

    How are you doing selltek ?
    what is cooking selltek ?
    what is the problem selltek?

    Why would say that?  You are a unique guy, you are a role model for some in certain aspects. Off course I would love to emulate you in certain things.   There are few guys/girls who loves her/his mother so much  that he will insult her.. May be you were trying to educate her.   But I think there are better ways and you do owe an apology for them and for yourself.  It is good to be rebel and ask questions. And you should do that for others and TO YOURSELF selltek.
    that is the2nd time you are asking me.. you didn't read the link I gave.,  did you??  So you are from that Tangier?? Is it AMRIKA Tangier or that real  Tangier from Africa?

    Any way., Selltek you are luck guy.. you are very lucky guy.. Are you a Berber??

    with best wishes
    yeezevee



    Everything is good Yeezevee.

    Everyone is unique, this is for sure. I love my mother and I've never insulted her or any other woman. That is not my intention. In my world view, the way I view women is not insulting. I know my father bought my mother straight from the dealer with 0km on the clock! lol.

    I owe no one an apology, and why should I? Is it because I am different? Why should I change? Is it because everyone else is right but I am wrong?

    I was born in African Tangier, but I am living in Belgium now. And yes, My family, from my mother's side is bereber, from rif, but I speak almost no tamazight.

    Can you give me the link again, please?

    Thanks.
  • I shocked my family on Sunday
     Reply #117 - September 10, 2013, 05:01 PM



    In regards to Muslim men having views like me, I don't know. I don't represent any particular demographic, you know, I am me.



    And yet here you are,  the quintessential Ghettofied Westernised Moroccan man, spouting the same gibberish that makes me ashamed to share that heritage.


    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • I shocked my family on Sunday
     Reply #118 - September 10, 2013, 05:05 PM

    And yet here you are,  the quintessential Ghettofied Westernised Moroccan man, spouting the same gibberish that makes me ashamed to share that heritage.

    man.... Man?? Huh!..No..no.. that guy is just a kid.. He misses his mother. 

    Oh common sahara...., don't be harsh on  selltek 


    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • I shocked my family on Sunday
     Reply #119 - September 10, 2013, 05:07 PM

    You are right, man was far too complimentary.  Boy it is.   Afro

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
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