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  • Hello everyone else
     OP - February 11, 2013, 10:44 PM

    Am new here & I suppose it's only polite to say hello, so, ermm.. hello.

    Strange to think I only found this organisation recently. Have always felt a little lonely in my infidelness, although that hasn't bothered me too much. Haven't really met too many former Muslims (or ones that admit they are former Muslims) in real life.

  • Hello everyone else
     Reply #1 - February 11, 2013, 10:50 PM

    There are so many ex-Muslims in The Netherlands (if that is where you're from). There are alot of people who came out or are already acting like an ex-Muslim but don't want to come out yet.

    I have my own soul. My own spark of divine fire.
  • Hello everyone else
     Reply #2 - February 11, 2013, 10:56 PM

    Am a Londoner & am English & Egyptian, in spite of the name.

    I like how you use the expression coming out. It felt very much like coming out of the closet when I first admitted to myself first, then everyone else that I am what I am (& probably always had been).

  • Hello everyone else
     Reply #3 - February 11, 2013, 11:03 PM

    I like it, too. Members here use it and I copied it from them.

    And hi! I'm still new here, but they give animals to new members. So, here you go:  parrot bunny piggy

    How does it to be free (mentally)?

    I have my own soul. My own spark of divine fire.
  • Hello everyone else
     Reply #4 - February 11, 2013, 11:12 PM

    Thanks for the animals (I used to have a cat called Shadow by the way)

    It is a good question & it is something I think about a lot. When I look back to my younger self,  I feel so free & appreciate my freedom because I had to fight bloody hard in what felt like impossible scenarios to get it. (arranged marriage blah blah blah)

    But then, I have been wondering-  am I making good use of my freedom? I may have freed myself from a dire authoritarian background, but freedom for/to what? What's the freedom for? Am I really free? One the one level, I am so free & on another, I sometimes wonder whether I will ever be truly free on a subconscious level from all the propaganda & upbringing? There's a tension there, I have to say, but I wouldn't change any of it.

  • Hello everyone else
     Reply #5 - February 11, 2013, 11:14 PM

    Hello Amsterdamned, lovely to have you join the forum  Afro

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Hello everyone else
     Reply #6 - February 11, 2013, 11:27 PM

     thnkyu

    So, does this forum get trolled a lot? I just imagine it would and am curious.
  • Hello everyone else
     Reply #7 - February 11, 2013, 11:40 PM

    Welcome mate  parrot

    But then, I have been wondering-  am I making good use of my freedom? I may have freed myself from a dire authoritarian background, but freedom for/to what? What's the freedom for? Am I really free? One the one level, I am so free & on another, I sometimes wonder whether I will ever be truly free on a subconscious level from all the propaganda & upbringing? There's a tension there, I have to say, but I wouldn't change any of it.


    I know where your coming from, its hard at first to reorganise your life when you take a massive chunk of your upbringing out. I'm still coming to terms with which direction to go. This forum has helped in showing me the different approaches others have taken, which has been priceless when living in an isolated enviroment.
  • Hello everyone else
     Reply #8 - February 11, 2013, 11:59 PM

    I've found new directions, but I've also found a new cynicism & a fickleness in me towards new things, which I think must be related to rejecting a whole way of life that you've been brought up in. It's really solidified my sense of self, though - I may not know what I am, but I certainly know what I am not!
  • Hello everyone else
     Reply #9 - February 12, 2013, 12:08 AM

    Welcome Amsterdamed,  Smiley
    So your family has an egyptian background. Do you follow the political situation that's going on there at the moment. If so is it a case of almost one half of the country rejecting a hardline religious agenda by the current government or are most of the protesters merely dissasatisfied with the poor economic situation. Love to hear your views on it, that's if you take an interest in it yourself.
  • Hello everyone else
     Reply #10 - February 12, 2013, 12:39 AM

    I'm deeply political (think I probably used it to fill the religious gap) & am involved in a fair amount of activism about Egypt (& loads of other stuff). It's been a terrible & bizarre couple of years. In fact, it was today 2 years ago that Mubarak resigned & I remember the intense joy & hope & shock I felt that day when I was outside the embassy. Little did I know that we were jumping out of the frying pan & into the fire! It's all so complicated, though.

    Have watched the Brotherhood mobilise to take advantage of the power vacuum. To be fair, they were the only ones that were really capable of it because the old regime's neglect of the poor had allowed them to step in, exploit the vacuum & Islamicise Egypt from the bottom up by way of social welfare programmes/education & so on. Am not sure that the majority of their voters & followers are all that religious, I personally think that they are with the Brotherhood for the social promises they have made, rather than deeply held religious identity.

    In other words (sorry, I waffle a lot), I don't think many of those who voted for them were doing it because of a religious agenda, but for social & economic reasons, and also because there was no real organised alternative.

    Now, that they are in power, they can't keep those empty promises in regards to the economy & so on & they are showing their true colours & their focus has (of course) been about solidifying their power & Islamicising Egypt from the top-down & you'll find that many of the protesters are actually their former supporters who have seen them for what they are, as nothing has been done to ease their social & economic situations.

    The protesters aren't just the revolutionaries/progressives/liberals, but many MB members.

    Anyway, am very miserable about the situation. I feel very worried. There are A LOT of Salafists & extremists who now have God complexes as they think having a Brotherhood president has proved some kind of divine legitimacy for them. As a woman, am doubly furious, they hate us!

    If you're so inclined you can see some of my rants on one of my blogs here: http://msunderstand.wordpress.com/

    And if you are interested, there's a protest at the Egyptian Embassy tomorrow, part of an international day of protest at the sexual terrorism that is being directed at the women of Egypt. I'm talking about huge organised gang-rapes of women in Tahrir Square & everywhere else & it being an organised tactic to stop women protesting for their rights. The Shura Council today (of course, so predictable) blamed the women for being out & about & allowing to happen. Cunts, I'd like to set fire to their beards. (excuse my French)

    https://www.facebook.com/events/290741387718715/




  • Hello everyone else
     Reply #11 - February 12, 2013, 12:42 AM

    Welcome to our humble abode, bro. parrot

    So, does this forum get trolled a lot? I just imagine it would and am curious.

    You mean by Muslims?  Very rarely.  Muslims are too scared of coming here and losing their precious imaan. Grin

    I know where your coming from, its hard at first to reorganise your life when you take a massive chunk of your upbringing out....

    I feel like have actively rewired the neural networks in my brain over the last few years and am now a different person.

    "Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so." -- Bertrand Russell

    Baloney Detection Kit
  • Hello everyone else
     Reply #12 - February 12, 2013, 12:59 AM

    thnkyu

    So, does this forum get trolled a lot? I just imagine it would and am curious.


    Seriously, I think many practising, passionate Muslims are intimidated by us. They can't fling shit in a bullying style here because we (the moderators) make sure nobody does that. And so they have no option but to debate matters properly. And we are like Kryptonite to them when it comes to debate on the things that matter. Seriously. They're frightened of us.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Hello everyone else
     Reply #13 - February 12, 2013, 01:02 AM

    Welcome to our humble abode, bro. parrot

    I feel like have actively rewired the neural networks in my brain over the last few years and am now a different person.

    Thanks Smiley

    I feel a bit like that, it's a long, slow & very enjoyable process Smiley



  • Hello everyone else
     Reply #14 - February 12, 2013, 01:05 AM

    Dude I am such a different person it's not even funny. But because Islam is so big on fighting your "nafs," maybe I now am just who I really was all along. I like this me better.  Afro
  • Hello everyone else
     Reply #15 - February 12, 2013, 01:06 AM

    Seriously, I think many practising, passionate Muslims are intimidated by us. They can't fling shit in a bullying style here because we (the moderators) make sure nobody does that. And so they have no option but to debate matters properly. And we are like Kryptonite to them when it comes to debate on the things that matter. Seriously. They're frightened of us.




    That's good to know. Have had a couple of run-in with Hizbultahriri types at uni & other real life places. Scary stuff! There's nothing that brings out their eye-popping rage than a mouthy know it all woman like me! Have learnt to be wary
  • Hello everyone else
     Reply #16 - February 12, 2013, 01:10 AM

    ha, I think everyone here will recognise that type of eye-popping loon!

    This forum exists to be a safe space for ex-Muslims, sceptics, and all well-wishers of ex-Muslims, to be able to express themselves and feel solidarity, that is our basic purporse and ethos

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Hello everyone else
     Reply #17 - February 12, 2013, 01:14 AM

    Dude I am such a different person it's not even funny. But because Islam is so big on fighting your "nafs," maybe I now am just who I really was all along. I like this me better.  Afro


    I've always thought of this me as the actualised me that I always had to hide. You can't be an apostate unless you've listened to that little niggly voice inside you (Shaytan, as my family always called it Wink ) that tells you that something is wrong and not for you.

    On a tangential note, one familiar pattern I have seen with many of my friends/acquaintances who are Muslims, but torn, is the double-personality phenomena, or the having to live a lie situation, where they have to live double lives & have hidden, secret parts of themselves & I think it takes a toll on their mental health & character. I've come to believe that it's a kind of religion(culture/society) induced schizophrenia. Does that sound familiar?  
  • Hello everyone else
     Reply #18 - February 12, 2013, 01:16 AM

    And on another tangential note, it's always been my dream to do a Muslim spoof of Life of Brian. I think that's my life long ambition, actually
  • Hello everyone else
     Reply #19 - February 12, 2013, 01:37 AM

    Welcome to the forum. Smiley

    And thanks for the insights about the current situation in Egypt. The seven o'clock news doesn't really tell me much.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Hello everyone else
     Reply #20 - February 12, 2013, 01:45 AM

     Smiley hi and welcome..
  • Hello everyone else
     Reply #21 - February 12, 2013, 01:46 AM

     parrot bunny Welcome!
  • Hello everyone else
     Reply #22 - February 12, 2013, 01:52 AM

    You're welcome & hello everyone. The animal thing is very cute bunny

    So, how did you all feel when you came out? Free? Relieved? Joyous? Scared? It was terrifying & exhilarating for me. The feelings of freedom came much later. It was mostly terrifying, though.
  • Hello everyone else
     Reply #23 - February 12, 2013, 02:11 AM

    And on another tangential note, it's always been my dream to do a Muslim spoof of Life of Brian. I think that's my life long ambition, actually


    We've talked about this before!

    Could only be done through animation though!

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Hello everyone else
     Reply #24 - February 12, 2013, 02:32 AM

    Quote
    And on another tangential note, it's always been my dream to do a Muslim spoof of Life of Brian. I think that's my life long ambition, actually


    SEE?!  This is EXACTLY why I keep coming back to this forum!  Having the chance to meet people who have the exact same insane ideas that I do???!!!  PRICELESS!   Cheesy  Oh, how this comment made my night!!!

    You have NO idea!   dance


    Do not go gentle into that good night.
    Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
  • Hello everyone else
     Reply #25 - February 12, 2013, 02:39 AM

    (c)Amsterdamned  Wink

     Cheesy Cheesy

    It doesn't have to be ALL animation.. we could 'borrow' scenes from The Message & do our own dubbed voiceovers & cartoons a-la-Monty Python's Flying Circus
  • Hello everyone else
     Reply #26 - February 12, 2013, 02:39 AM

    Quote
    So, how did you all feel when you came out? Free? Relieved? Joyous? Scared?


    For me, I felt as though I had finally come home to myself....if that makes any sense?  The feeling of bliss has thus far been unsurpassed.  The feeling of swimming, just swimming, out in the sunshine is enough to make me implode with happiness.  I am quite certain I will calm down at some point but for now I am thoroughly enjoying the ride.  

    Do not go gentle into that good night.
    Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
  • Hello everyone else
     Reply #27 - February 12, 2013, 02:45 AM

    Amsterdammed....you fit in perfectly here.  If you are truly interested in comedy and satire...you've come to the right place....please read this thread (link below).  Twas the highlight of my week, last week!

    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=23159.0

    Do not go gentle into that good night.
    Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
  • Hello everyone else
     Reply #28 - February 12, 2013, 02:50 AM

    OMG have just been snorting rum through my nose at my laptop, that is all HILARIOUS! thnkyu
    My face is hurting!

  • Hello everyone else
     Reply #29 - February 12, 2013, 02:52 AM

    oh, I should have warned you to swallow all liquids first.  sorry sweetie.  whoopsie!

    Do not go gentle into that good night.
    Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
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