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  • Islam destroyed my country. We were never muslims to begin with
     Reply #60 - March 02, 2013, 07:16 AM
    wow just googled that juhayman guy....gasp.....the frack?   What no stoning birds from the sky?  Only French and Pakistani special forces wow interesting.    I wonder how people in the muslim world took it?
    Oh my Christopher Hitchens its a fihrrrrrrrrrrrr
  • Islam destroyed my country. We were never muslims to begin with
     Reply #61 - March 02, 2013, 03:13 PM
    We had different kinds of gods!? :O That's so cool!

    Yeah I agree, I only see those colourful dresses at weddings no where else. :/
  • Islam destroyed my country. We were never muslims to begin with
     Reply #62 - March 02, 2013, 03:21 PM
    Quote from: happymurtad on March 02, 2013, 01:39 AM
    My land lord in Madina was a Saudi of Turkish descent. He was an old head and boy that man could tell some stories. I miss staying up sipping tea and hearing him talk about how that country was in the sixties and seventies.


    And this is why you need to write a book one day!

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Islam destroyed my country. We were never muslims to begin with
     Reply #63 - March 02, 2013, 03:37 PM
    Quote from: Minimow on March 01, 2013, 05:31 PM
    Btw, I was told this friendly joke by a Somali from Mogadishu, who just went on to tease me for being from the North and how ignorant we are of religion and Islam. So he went...a Somali from Woqoyga traveled with his son to Mogadishu for the first time. He went to a mosque, when his little son saw hundreds of people praying. The son asked: Dad, what is this? The father said: This is a local sport here. The imam calls together the masses from the minaret. They stand in rows, one after the other. Then under order from the Imam, all make a dash towards the shoes and steal the best one's they could find!


    Haha!  Cheesy

    "Beauty is truth, truth beauty," - that is all
            Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know.

    - John Keats
  • Islam destroyed my country. We were never muslims to begin with
     Reply #64 - March 02, 2013, 03:39 PM
    Quote from: nesrin on March 01, 2013, 05:55 PM
    islam does promote arabs as the ideal, since mo was arab.. sure.. but not all arabs are muslim..
     i'm a believer that you choose your culture the way you choose your religion and i've dealt with too much arab hate, comments, and messages to last me a few life times..


    +1

     Afro
    "Beauty is truth, truth beauty," - that is all
            Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know.

    - John Keats
  • Islam destroyed my country. We were never muslims to begin with
     Reply #65 - March 02, 2013, 03:54 PM
    Yes Nesrin's comment was on topic I feel.

    This 'Saudi / Arab' imperialistic aspect of Islam cannot be denied in the modern times, especially with the push of Wahaabism
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Islam destroyed my country. We were never muslims to begin with
     Reply #66 - March 02, 2013, 04:07 PM
    I think the saddest thing is Islamic countries are so prideful they will never admit that Islamic rule is what got them in the hole. And will try everything possible to fit the square in a circle. So it's going to take a couple of generations to get it out of the countries system. Hmm dark ages took about a couple hundreds years.. By that time other countries might be colonizing on the moon or something.  Roll Eyes
    ***~Church is where bad people go to hide~***
  • Islam destroyed my country. We were never muslims to begin with
     Reply #67 - March 02, 2013, 04:24 PM
    ^ I somewhat agree with happymurtad, in fact I often think the exact same thing. I'm yet to meet an Iranian that is a fan of Khomeini and the mullahocracy, and most Iranians are quite secular and irreligious thanks to having seen firsthand how shitty Islamic rule is. Though at the same time, once shari'ah is in, it's pretty damn hard to get rid of it! 
  • Islam destroyed my country. We were never muslims to begin with
     Reply #68 - March 02, 2013, 04:27 PM
    Quote from: Minimow on March 01, 2013, 05:31 PM
    a Somali from Woqoyga traveled with his son to Mogadishu for the first time. He went to a mosque, when his little son saw hundreds of people praying. The son asked: Dad, what is this? The father said: This is a local sport here. The imam calls together the masses from the minaret. They stand in rows, one after the other. Then under order from the Imam, all make a dash towards the shoes and steal the best one's they could find!

    Cheesy How did I miss this? LOL.
  • Islam destroyed my country. We were never muslims to begin with
     Reply #69 - March 02, 2013, 06:24 PM
    Quote from: Al-Alethia on March 02, 2013, 04:24 PM
    ^ I somewhat agree with happymurtad, in fact I often think the exact same thing. I'm yet to meet an Iranian that is a fan of Khomeini and the mullahocracy, and most Iranians are quite secular and irreligious thanks to having seen firsthand how shitty Islamic rule is. Though at the same time, once shari'ah is in, it's pretty damn hard to get rid of it! 



    It's also pretty damn hard to stay in power over a long time when almost the entire population hates you. 

    Iran is going to have a revolution and become secular within the next 10 years or twenty years MAX.   
    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • Islam destroyed my country. We were never muslims to begin with
     Reply #70 - March 03, 2013, 09:28 AM
    Man that shoe stealing bit at the mosque is still happening!

    P.S. I am originally...well ethnically a Somali from Maydh or Waaqoyi (North/Somaliland)  And I agree that Somaliland (or generally people who descent from northern clans) were never as religious as other parts of Somali regions.  By listening to my mom and dads stories about their childhood, people were more open, and only women who were married covered their hair and never with a full hijab but with a garbasaar (loose shawl) with a masaar.  Also saint days were never really observed unless you were related to the saint in question and even that died out slowly.  My particular Saint and ancestor is buried in Maydh but I don't think people do the pilgrimage anymore.

    Men used to wear their hair long, to their shoulders and it was only (according to my mother) when her mother was young that short hair was being pushed by certain wahabis sects who interestingly enough used to fight with the local sufi sects.

    Also the dirac is quite recent and coming from Landers that had settled in Yemen for a while and adopted some of the dress codes there, but usually women would have worn the white dress with the boqor with braided or loose hair and a garbasaar and a sharp knife tucked away somewhere in their nigis (nickers) lol ok maybe not in their panties but somewhere on their person.

    Now if you will excuse me I have a date with a good looking girl and the gym.  Laters and have a wonderful week.


    Oh my Christopher Hitchens its a fihrrrrrrrrrrrr
  • Islam destroyed my country. We were never muslims to begin with
     Reply #71 - March 03, 2013, 12:07 PM
    Islam also ruined arab culture. In my 6th grade history book it mentioned that the arabs had many different gods and Allah was just the moon god.
  • Islam destroyed my country. We were never muslims to begin with
     Reply #72 - March 05, 2013, 12:54 PM
    Excellent thread, very good read Afro

    I don't think it's accurate at all to say Islam per se destroyed Somalia, however Islam without doubt was a major catalyst to the demise of Somali society and way of life . The destruction of Somalia was first and foremost caused by feuding clans and a debt-ridden broken economy caused by the Ogaden war. After all the state institutions and economic opportunities were destroyed by the civil war, famine, killings, lootings became part of every day life.  It's not difficult at all to see how Islam's prominence emerged from these conditions. It was sold as the "solution" to all their problems yada yada.  In came the Arab "philanthropists" with their madrassas and the rest is history.

    But happymurtad is right, more and more people are coming to realise what an epic failure this experiment was. The "Islamic solution" caused nothing more than an influx of foreign and domestic jihadists and absolutely zero improvement in the lives of normal Somalis. Islamic fundamentalism put back Somalias development by at least 8-10 years. However, the political climate in  Somalia is now stabilising, with this rather moderate and pragmatic government I predict that in the next 10 years Somalis will see much improvement in their lives. Hopefully then people won't be nostalgic for the Al-Shabab days...
    The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.

    William Arthur Ward
  • Islam destroyed my country. We were never muslims to begin with
     Reply #73 - March 05, 2013, 01:05 PM
    Quote from: Z-Bo on March 05, 2013, 12:54 PM
    Islamic fundamentalism put back Somalias development by at least 8-10 years. However, the political climate in  Somalia is now stabilising, with this rather moderate and pragmatic government I predict that in the next 10 years Somalis will see much improvement in their lives. Hopefully then people won't be nostalgic for the Al-Shabab days...



    + 1
  • Islam destroyed my country. We were never muslims to begin with
     Reply #74 - March 05, 2013, 02:11 PM
    More than that - Somalia is one of the three poorest nations on the planet.
    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Islam destroyed my country. We were never muslims to begin with
     Reply #75 - March 05, 2013, 04:48 PM
    On the claim that Somalia's situation is stable, I've heard from the elders in my family that the new president is conducting something similar to a heresy-hunt on those who're rumored to oppose him. Well if that's true and if I now Somalia right, that wouldn't stabilize anything.
    Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it.
  • Islam destroyed my country. We were never muslims to begin with
     Reply #76 - March 06, 2013, 08:19 AM
    ^ I'm skeptical too but things have certainly improved somewhat; Al-Shabbab is falling apart and there's less violence in the capital. Old Somalis can be a bit too optimistic though, always banging on about how one day all will be well and we'll all be back in dhulka hooyo.
  • Islam destroyed my country. We were never muslims to begin with
     Reply #77 - March 26, 2013, 11:56 AM
    Quote from: Al-Alethia on March 06, 2013, 08:19 AM
    ............... one day all will be  back... we  will be... and we'll all be back in dhulka hooyo.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vO9GUBKxc7o

    It is hard to get there ,  hard to get back in dhulka hooyo .as long as Arabian allah doll, moby dick along with mullahSomali rules the land.    But in this century .  in the next 10 ..20 years  Sure we see 1000s of Al-Alethia s and .. but damn they runaway from Somalia .. finmad

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhUqqlL9A_0
    well that is a good one to watch on Ex-Somalian...

    And I want to see more of these guys in your  Australia
    Quote
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umcC4hytXGM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAFbH5Zkrxo

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPZWPEequLE

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Islam destroyed my country. We were never muslims to begin with
     Reply #78 - April 23, 2013, 05:29 AM
    Thanks Minow and the rest for your comments,

    I agree with alot of the comments made above, that its not fair to blame islam for the Somali chaos.

    The issues are much deeper than what we have today.Somali problems i believed started from colonial/imperial era which fructured the somali society and created division between clans,followed by bad IMF world bank policies in the 70s and 80s that contributed to the collapse of the somali agriculture and livestock economy,privitisation of national firms that left thousands of men unemployed ,devaluation of the somali currency  all this boiled together to cause the somali war in the 90s. (book:globalisation of poverty)

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