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     Reply #60 - March 03, 2013, 07:14 AM
    I really cbf'ed with this anymore. Like some posters have already stated, this thread is a fucking joke. This topic is laughable, and becoming very difficult to take seriously…
  • The Objectification Of Men In Media
     Reply #61 - March 03, 2013, 08:08 AM
    Quote from: Al-Alethia on March 03, 2013, 07:14 AM
    I really cbf'ed with this anymore. Like some posters have already stated, this thread is a fucking joke. This topic is laughable, and becoming very difficult to take seriously…


    I think this is part of the point he's making.

    Quote from: Al-Alethia on March 03, 2013, 07:14 AM
    This topic is laughable, and becoming very difficult to take seriously…


    Specifically this part. I know if I said this on a thread remotely pertaining to females I'd be dog-piled and called sexist and blah blah.

    Also don't know like no one seems to have read my post :(
  • The Objectification Of Men In Media
     Reply #62 - March 03, 2013, 08:30 AM
    Yeah, this thread is full of shit. I was willing to engage in a civil discussion to maybe learn something, but it soon emerged that this whole thread is premised on underlying misogyny and a misunderstanding of what oppression is. The only way a man can think he's oppressed as a man is if he's never actually experienced oppression and therefore has no clue how disempowering and marginalizing it really is. Maybe some guys need to put on a gay public persona or something for a day and see what real oppression feels like.
  • The Objectification Of Men In Media
     Reply #63 - March 03, 2013, 09:17 AM
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    this whole thread is premised on underlying misogyny and a misunderstanding of what oppression is.


    Pretty much the bolded one,the oppresion lies with patriarchy, not feminism. Although my real problem with the feminism only lies with etymology,nothing further. I prefer to call myself a humanist since it encompasses every rights including women rights.
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  • The Objectification Of Men In Media
     Reply #64 - March 03, 2013, 12:21 PM
    Quote from: Abood on March 03, 2013, 08:30 AM
    Yeah, this thread is full of shit. I was willing to engage in a civil discussion to maybe learn something, but it soon emerged that this whole thread is premised on underlying misogyny and a misunderstanding of what oppression is. The only way a man can think he's oppressed as a man is if he's never actually experienced oppression and therefore has no clue how disempowering and marginalizing it really is. Maybe some guys need to put on a gay public persona or something for a day and see what real oppression feels like.


    Or be black and forced out of job due to putting in a complaint of discrimination, and have to pursue legal action for 7 months?

    How about that you self righteous prick?
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  • The Objectification Of Men In Media
     Reply #65 - March 03, 2013, 12:22 PM
    Quote from: Cato on March 03, 2013, 09:17 AM
    I prefer to call myself a humanist since it encompasses every rights including women rights.


    Me too.
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  • The Objectification Of Men In Media
     Reply #66 - March 03, 2013, 12:31 PM
    Quote from: happymurtad on March 03, 2013, 01:47 AM
    I swear I'm trying my best to care about this topic...


    Don't make youself give a shit, if you don't dude. I was half-fishing for responses with this topic.
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  • The Objectification Of Men In Media
     Reply #67 - March 03, 2013, 12:36 PM
    Quote from: Abood on March 03, 2013, 08:30 AM
    Yeah, this thread is full of shit. I was willing to engage in a civil discussion to maybe learn something, but it soon emerged that this whole thread is premised on underlying misogyny and a misunderstanding of what oppression is. The only way a man can think he's oppressed as a man is if he's never actually experienced oppression and therefore has no clue how disempowering and marginalizing it really is. Maybe some guys need to put on a gay public persona or something for a day and see what real oppression feels like.


    Wanted to return to this;

    This is a worrying trend I've seen.

    Issue relating to the female demographic are taken seriously.

    Issues related to the gay demographic are taken seriously.

    Issues related to an ethnic demographic are taken seriously.

    But issues related to the male demographic aren't.

    But I'm on another forum where the responses  have been very interesting, expressing their dislike for objectification of both sexes.
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  • The Objectification Of Men In Media
     Reply #68 - March 03, 2013, 12:38 PM
    Quote from: Tlaloc on March 02, 2013, 10:04 PM
    I'll throw in my random thoughts before going to sleep:

    - Sexism sucks
    - The concept of "patriarchy" is half ridiculous. The whole notion that "males are strong and expendable; females are weak and precious" is NOT some self-perpetuating social conspiracy. It's just the most common reproductive strategy in mammals. Proof: look at most mammals.
    - Such reproductive strategy is natural
    - Nature sucks. Proof: predation, diseases, parasites, famine. And gender roles.
    - Most humans (both female and male) seem comfortable in such gender roles and will try to enforce those roles upon you
    - Culture can teach people to actually question those natural gender roles. And reject them.
    - Irrelevant bonus: pork and cheese taste awesome.


    QFT. Apart from pork and cheese.
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  • The Objectification Of Men In Media
     Reply #69 - March 03, 2013, 01:12 PM
    Quote from: Tlaloc on March 02, 2013, 10:04 PM
    I'll throw in my random thoughts before going to sleep:

    - Sexism sucks
    - The concept of "patriarchy" is half ridiculous. The whole notion that "males are strong and expendable; females are weak and precious" is NOT some self-perpetuating social conspiracy. It's just the most common reproductive strategy in mammals. Proof: look at most mammals.
    - Such reproductive strategy is natural
    - Nature sucks. Proof: predation, diseases, parasites, famine. And gender roles.
    - Most humans (both female and male) seem comfortable in such gender roles and will try to enforce those roles upon you
    - Culture can teach people to actually question those natural gender roles. And reject them.
    - Irrelevant bonus: pork and cheese taste awesome.

    I pretty much agree with all of this. Evolution has reinforced these gender roles (hunter/gatherer bla bla).

    Gender roles in general can suck. These issues have never affected me personally but I've known people who've been low on esteem and said things like "I'm nothing compared to xyz", which has made me think about how media can create pressures on men. This is similar to how women may feel the pressure to look beautiful. But issues of low esteem are to do with mental health for which there's a lot of support out there.

    Feminism has been more to do with womens rights & privileges (and everyone here is probably a feminist) rather than small social problems. That's why there's no need for an equivalent movement for men, because men in general have always enjoyed these rights. There are still larger problems in western countries out there for women such as sexual harassment in the workplace etc. that deserve way more attention than how skinny someone on some magazine is. In fact I don't recognize the latter as a problem, a person can print what they want in a magazine. Maybe people should stop buying them if they're filled with shit.
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  • The Objectification Of Men In Media
     Reply #70 - March 03, 2013, 02:28 PM
    Quote from: strangestdude on March 02, 2013, 09:29 AM
    Athletes (physicality), wealthy men (utility and social status), men in positions of power (social status), men in uniform (social status), bad boys (persona, social status), actors and entertainers (social status), bad boys with a heart of gold in fiction ie. fifty shades of grey, and twilight - from what I've heard (persona), etc.

    By the way...

    Most of these cases are not "objectification", but rather the opposite. Let's call it "subjectification".

    The problem women face is that they tend to be accepted or rejected only for "what" they physically are. Regardless of accomplishments.
    The problem men face is that they tend to be accepted or rejected only for what they accomplish. Regardless of "what" they physically are.

    Each "side" is generally unable to sympathize with the other, because they are unable to imagine how the antithetical situation might feel oppressive at all.

    Do you think women would hate being valued for their persona or social status alone? ^_^
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  • The Objectification Of Men In Media
     Reply #71 - March 03, 2013, 03:19 PM
    Quote from: Tlaloc on March 03, 2013, 02:28 PM
    The problem men face is that they tend to be accepted or rejected only for what they accomplish. Regardless of "what" they physically are.


    I don't think that is true when it comes to young people in general. I think young men are feeling more pressure to bulk up because they feel that is what girls want which is only perpetuated by media, gender roles and peer pressure. Steroid use is on the increase.
    http://www.mensfitness.com/training/build-muscle/steroid-use-on-the-rise
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/18728990
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-18782503
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  • The Objectification Of Men In Media
     Reply #72 - March 03, 2013, 03:27 PM
    I think men work out to impress their mates as much as the ladies. In most cases it's a completely benign activity and an enjoyable pastime with practical benefits.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • The Objectification Of Men In Media
     Reply #73 - March 03, 2013, 03:41 PM
    Quote from: strangestdude on March 02, 2013, 09:29 AM


    What do you guys think about male objectification in media?

    Why does it seem to be OK for women to express dissatisfaction for media and cultural standards that make them feel less than worthy, but it's not OK for men?


    (I haven't read the replies yet).

    I thought about it when I met a guy who was really distressed about his appearance because of losing hair at a young age. For the record he is gorgeous, inside and outside and incredibly smart, funny, but sadly, he had a serious issue. Any time that I brought up an actor, he would inform me that the actor had hair treatment, I mean he had an obsession with hair.

    As a girl who is also affected by "beautiful" women in the media, I was so hurt to see this issue in a guy. For some reason, I thought guys were tougher and unaffected but his sweet personality means nothing to all those girls that he told me rejected him right after he removed his hat.

    Gosh I hate society sometimes. I always told him how much I liked him, but it didn't do much. Other things I found out that affected him was his chest hair. For the record, it was so so pretty, natural, perfect shaped, but he declared that he would never take his shirt off at the beach. No one is immune tbh, and before him, I wouldn't have known. It hurts to remember, since I had this idea that men are macho and don't get "wounded".
    Again, it made me hate the media so much, because I saw someone so special and others have dragged him down with their judgement. I felt so angry when he told me about the girls that rejected him. Like F them all, their loss! I'm not one to talk though, I have image issues too.

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  • The Objectification Of Men In Media
     Reply #74 - March 03, 2013, 04:35 PM
    Quote from: Ishina on March 03, 2013, 03:27 PM
    I think men work out to impress their mates as much as the ladies. In most cases it's a completely benign activity and an enjoyable pastime with practical benefits.


    Agreed.


    ...........


    After reading the whole thread again which I believe there are serious misunderstandings that has led some members to take the issue personally to the point of mocking each other which is uncalled for ,Y'all should have been patient enough to engage in proper debate or discussion without attacking each other. I would like to add my own fresh perspective on this after studying much on sexual objectification which I would recommend most members to do so before they post their random opinions and views in this thread. Ignorance is the mother of misunderstanding and creates discord.

    Believe it or not, men are objectified sexually. Anyone that thinks contrary to that then one is biased or ignorant about it. We have had feminist authors like Christina Hoff Sommers and Naomi Wolf that acknowledge that by arguing that women's sexual freedom has led many women to view men as a sex object in a manner similar to what they criticize men's treatment of women. However,unlike men,women do admire and objectify them by considering other variables of personality than just the physical aspect.

    Back in the day, men were objectified by women based on their financial assets that is enough to provide them home and garden in a suburbia but now due to feminist movements in the 60s and 70s, and sexual revolution. Women have the power to be selective(just like men too) and the for first time in this modern age, men are vulnerable to female sexual selection and rejection which makes it inevitable for the objectification of men to arise. It has become a new phenomenom in a pop culture. Here is a link to that: link

    Look at the mass media, how men are advertised with underwears, perfume,shaving sticks and creams e.g. Gillete, and even Marlboro ciggarates. We have actors like MatthewMcconaughey, Tom Cruise,Patrick Swayze,Stallone,Schwarzenegger,Van Dame and even Michael Douglas that are regarded as sex objects too.

    Overall I think there are two sides of coin when it comes to sexual objectification IMO. Some women objectify themselves as an expression of empowerement over men which gives them the choice to objectify them, On the other hand, some women are sensitive to it which leads to negative self image of their body. I can say same thing about men too.

    Personally, I'm one of those camps that don't really care,infact, I have been objectified many times for having a light skin colour among my mates and also for being tall which again I don't really mind at all but I do empathize with the sensitive ones which I believe SD and Zooby are talking about.

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  • The Objectification Of Men In Media
     Reply #75 - March 04, 2013, 02:07 AM
    Quote from: strangestdude on March 02, 2013, 02:34 PM
    Look suicide is disproportionate for the male gender. Something is going on in regards to gender identity/gender roles in our culture and is influencing this. Seeing as the media shapes culture, how male identity is portrayed in the media is something that I think needs to be looked at.


    I'm still not sure we've established a link here. I'm pretty sure male suicide rates have been higher well before mass media saturated with human objectification was in existence. If anything I'd say a disproportionate suicide rate would lend itself to the conclusion that we need there to be better access to mental health care, more than anything else.
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  • The Objectification Of Men In Media
     Reply #76 - March 04, 2013, 05:21 AM
    Quote from: strangestdude on March 03, 2013, 12:36 PM
    But issues related to the male demographic aren't.

    Yeah, neither are issues related to white people. Because they're not real.
  • The Objectification Of Men In Media
     Reply #77 - March 04, 2013, 05:41 AM
    Quote from: strangestdude on March 03, 2013, 12:21 PM
    Or be black and forced out of job due to putting in a complaint of discrimination, and have to pursue legal action for 7 months?

    How about that you self righteous prick?

    I don't deny that discrimination in the workplace is oppressive, but that's not the same as discrimination in public. The former is illegal and one can take action against it (as you did), whereas the latter is ingrained in the culture and needs radical change. One cannot take legal action against it, one cannot fight against it as an individual. That's why it's so fucking disempowering.
  • The Objectification Of Men In Media
     Reply #78 - March 04, 2013, 02:37 PM
    Quote from: Homo Sapien on March 03, 2013, 03:19 PM
    I don't think that is true when it comes to young people in general. I think young men are feeling more pressure to bulk up because they feel that is what girls want which is only perpetuated by media, gender roles and peer pressure. Steroid use is on the increase.
    http://www.mensfitness.com/training/build-muscle/steroid-use-on-the-rise
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/18728990
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-18782503

    Bulking up is a form of "accomplishment" that requires "dedication", tho.

    The only physical trait I can see men being heavily discriminated for is height.
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     Reply #79 - March 04, 2013, 02:46 PM
    Quote from: Abood on March 04, 2013, 05:41 AM
    The former is illegal and one can take action against it (as you did), whereas the latter is ingrained in the culture and needs radical change.

    That is a strange sentence.

    X is A and B, whereas Y is C and D.
    Where A, B, C and D seem to be unrelated.

    *scratches head*
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  • The Objectification Of Men In Media
     Reply #80 - March 04, 2013, 02:57 PM
    Quote from: Tlaloc on March 04, 2013, 02:37 PM
    Bulking up is a form of "accomplishment" that requires "dedication", tho.

    The only physical trait I can see men being heavily discriminated for is height.


    I completely agree, Bulking up requires alot of dedication to see results and just using steriods is not going to cut it. A lot of men do it for the competition rather than impressing the ladies.

    Hieght discrimination is probably the least recognised form of discrimination. Though men may not be as objectivified to the length that women are. When it comes to height; men are definately the worst off by far. Ask this; how many women are willing to date or have a relationship with a man shorter than them, not many. One only has to look at dating sites statistics to see that it really is a issue for men that they are not 6ft+ tall.
  • The Objectification Of Men In Media
     Reply #81 - March 04, 2013, 04:05 PM
    Quote from: Tlaloc on March 04, 2013, 02:46 PM
    That is a strange sentence.

    X is A and B, whereas Y is C and D.
    Where A, B, C and D seem to be unrelated.

    *scratches head*

     Roll Eyes

    Read the sentences following and perhaps you'll see the relation.
  • The Objectification Of Men In Media
     Reply #82 - March 04, 2013, 04:13 PM
    Quote from: e-raja on March 04, 2013, 02:57 PM
    I completely agree, Bulking up requires alot of dedication to see results and just using steriods is not going to cut it. A lot of men do it for the competition rather than impressing the ladies.

    Hieght discrimination is probably the least recognised form of discrimination. Though men may not be as objectivified to the length that women are. When it comes to height; men are definately the worst off by far. Ask this; how many women are willing to date or have a relationship with a man shorter than them, not many. One only has to look at dating sites statistics to see that it really is a issue for men that they are not 6ft+ tall.


    I found it funny when I read that the average woman in America is 5'5". I'm as tall as the average American woman Cheesy
  • The Objectification Of Men In Media
     Reply #83 - March 04, 2013, 05:10 PM
    Quote from: Abood on March 04, 2013, 04:05 PM
    Roll Eyes

    Read the sentences following and perhaps you'll see the relation.

    I did.
    But they are still unrelated.

    Being backed up by the law does not necessarily give the oppressed one any form of power if it's not also backed up by a general willingness to respect the intention of such laws instead of simply following them to the letter.
    (Example: Voting rights in the USA. Since the 1870s black men (and since the 1920s black women) could vote de iure, but de facto in many cases they were prevented from voting until the civil movements of the 1960s)

    And the opposite is also true: it's still possible to fight oppression even when it's cultural and pervasive and even if there is no law backing you up.

    To summarize:
    - Being backed up by the law may or may not work against oppression
    - Taking action as an individual without the law backing you up may or may not work against oppression

    The two things are pretty much disjointed.

    Unless you are arguing that the oppressed gets some sort of satisfaction from being backed up by the law, even when he's still being oppressed on practical terms. But that's extremely subjective.
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  • The Objectification Of Men In Media
     Reply #84 - March 04, 2013, 06:32 PM
    Quote from: sethyboy0 on March 04, 2013, 04:13 PM
    I found it funny when I read that the average woman in America is 5'5". I'm as tall as the average American woman Cheesy


    Do you think your height has an effect on how people around you react to you. A good friend of mine does experience a lot of negative reactions especailly from women.
  • The Objectification Of Men In Media
     Reply #85 - March 05, 2013, 07:30 AM
    So far I've yet to experience anybody reacting negatively to my height, but I have had a couple girls say they couldn't date me because I'm shorter than them (in jest of course, because they wouldn't date me even if I wasn't Tongue).

    But then again, I don't really surround myself with the kind of people who do things like that. I've seen a few pictures online poking fun at the "hopelessness" of short men in the romantic department, but I've never been involved enough in romance to actually experience it.

    Basically, I'm a bad test subject for this I think.
  • The Objectification Of Men In Media
     Reply #86 - March 05, 2013, 10:23 AM
    I personally don't care about height, and don't see why people do. I'm obsessed with weight though, perhaps unhealthily so; but I'm a girl Tongue
  • The Objectification Of Men In Media
     Reply #87 - March 06, 2013, 05:04 AM
    I don't care about the height of girls either, although I guess that's usually pretty irrelevant.

    One thing I can say though is I don't really care for breast size (unless it's way too big for your body size and looks like you're gunna fall over). One thing I've never understood is the whole deal with BOOBS MUST BE BIGGER AND NOTHING LESS.
  • The Objectification Of Men In Media
     Reply #88 - March 06, 2013, 05:22 PM
    Quote from: Al-Alethia on March 05, 2013, 10:23 AM
    I personally don't care about height, and don't see why people do. I'm obsessed with weight though, perhaps unhealthily so; but I'm a girl Tongue

     

    Ok just some advice to all the girls out there. 

    Skinny girls are seriusly a turnoff just like fat girls.  as long as your average weight and keep up regular excercise guys couldn't care less about you weight.
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  • The Objectification Of Men In Media
     Reply #89 - March 06, 2013, 07:18 PM
    Just stop stigmatizing those who aren't in the 'in group'. Some women are naturally very skinny looking (I am for example) no matter how much they eat and some, no matter how little they eat, they always seem to tend towards a larger size. Women come in all different shapes and sizes, get over it.
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