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  • Eckhart Tolle and Pantheism
     Reply #30 - March 10, 2013, 06:46 PM
    Quote from: Zebedee on March 10, 2013, 06:37 PM
    I'm sure those things are 'but' inventions of the CNS considering they wouldn't exist without external stimuli. The above sounds very 'sense-data' theory to me. All the same, it doesn't define consciousness, it just describes neurological processes that are believed to cause it. Conspicuously omitted is a definition of the subjective, experiential quality of consciousness, which is of course what people generally understand by the term.

    *Runs like fuck*

    But someone of your caliber should already understand that any definition of consciousness would fall short, since it's a colloquial umbrella concept used to allude to a broad territory of interconnected physics, functions, processes, and neurobiology. So to ask for a definition is a mistake.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Eckhart Tolle and Pantheism
     Reply #31 - March 10, 2013, 06:49 PM
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    . It's just self-help happy talk. Just Coca-cola advert wisdom.

    He's an interesting guy with good intentions, but his ideas are no more intellectually or scientifically robust than the average stoner's.


    can you explain a painting , beyond a canvas filled with some chemicals or colors?
    All i know is what was told,
    All i think is what i know,
    All i am is what i think,
    All i know NOT is who i am.
  • Eckhart Tolle and Pantheism
     Reply #32 - March 10, 2013, 06:54 PM
    Quote from: silentroar on March 10, 2013, 06:49 PM
    can you explain a painting , beyond a canvas filled with some chemicals or colors?

    Tide goes in, tide goes out. Never a miscommunication. You can't explain that.
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  • Eckhart Tolle and Pantheism
     Reply #33 - March 10, 2013, 07:06 PM
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    Quote from: silentroar on Today at 01:49 PM
    can you explain a painting , beyond a canvas filled with some chemicals or colors?

    Tide goes in, tide goes out. Never a miscommunication. You can't explain that.


    a wave of thoughts goes in and comes out with answers from the consciousnesses? sounds poetic to me ..
    your point being that your scientific thinking helps you investigate how tides work? so...when you look at a peacock you see a species of a bird and you go about tracing its scientific history.
    All i know is what was told,
    All i think is what i know,
    All i am is what i think,
    All i know NOT is who i am.
  • Eckhart Tolle and Pantheism
     Reply #34 - March 10, 2013, 07:12 PM
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    so...when you look at a peacock you see a species of a bird and you go about tracing its scientific history.


    Yes
  • Eckhart Tolle and Pantheism
     Reply #35 - March 10, 2013, 07:14 PM
    Quote from: silentroar on March 10, 2013, 07:06 PM
    a wave of thoughts goes in and comes out with answers from the consciousnesses? sounds poetic to me ..
    your point being that your scientific thinking helps you investigate how tides work? so...when you look at a peacock you see a species of a bird and you go about tracing its scientific history.

    Are you even aware that you are in a discussion on a forum or are you completely away with the fairies?
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  • Eckhart Tolle and Pantheism
     Reply #36 - March 10, 2013, 07:19 PM
    Quote from: happymurtad on March 10, 2013, 07:12 PM
    Yes

    lol then you'd be interested to find out why you fail to experience the beauty vs any normal person..you need to study the function of the pineal gland and why was it stressed as THE ONLY way to experience / see god ( thrid eye In our scriptures)
    All i know is what was told,
    All i think is what i know,
    All i am is what i think,
    All i know NOT is who i am.
  • Eckhart Tolle and Pantheism
     Reply #37 - March 10, 2013, 07:20 PM
    Quote from: Ishina on March 10, 2013, 07:14 PM
    Are you even aware that you are in a discussion on a forum or are you completely away with the fairies?


    nope they left a while ago, now its unicorn time.  Cheesy
    All i know is what was told,
    All i think is what i know,
    All i am is what i think,
    All i know NOT is who i am.
  • Eckhart Tolle and Pantheism
     Reply #38 - March 10, 2013, 07:23 PM
    How is the universe with scientific understanding any less beautiful than the universe without scientific understanding? Because that's what you seem to be suggesting, or at least working towards.
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  • Eckhart Tolle and Pantheism
     Reply #39 - March 10, 2013, 07:30 PM
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    How is the universe with scientific understanding any less beautiful than the universe without scientific understanding? Because that's what you seem to be suggesting, or at least working towards


    universe with science = beauitful.(positive)
    universe without science = beautiful(positive) + the feeling of gratification (positive) .
    2positive > 1
    All i know is what was told,
    All i think is what i know,
    All i am is what i think,
    All i know NOT is who i am.
  • Eckhart Tolle and Pantheism
     Reply #40 - March 10, 2013, 07:32 PM
    A fascinating glimpse into your attention span, but not really an answer to my question.
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  • Eckhart Tolle and Pantheism
     Reply #41 - March 10, 2013, 07:36 PM
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    How is the universe with scientific understanding any less beautiful


    Quote
    2positive > 1

    All i know is what was told,
    All i think is what i know,
    All i am is what i think,
    All i know NOT is who i am.
  • Eckhart Tolle and Pantheism
     Reply #42 - March 10, 2013, 07:43 PM
    Quote from: Ishina on March 10, 2013, 06:46 PM
    But someone of your caliber should already understand that any definition of consciousness would fall short, since it's a colloquial umbrella concept used to allude to a broad territory of interconnected physics, functions, processes, and neurobiology. So to ask for a definition is a mistake.


    Precisely! I simply objected to the matter-of-fact, it's-all-explained-away simplistic tone expressed in that quotation.
  • Eckhart Tolle and Pantheism
     Reply #43 - March 10, 2013, 07:46 PM
    Quote from: silentroar on March 10, 2013, 07:36 PM
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    How is the universe with scientific understanding any less beautiful

    Quote
    2positive > 1


    This is what this conversation looks like in my head:

    Me: How is the universe with scientific understanding any less beautiful?
    You: CUZ 2 IZ BETTUR DEN 1
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  • Eckhart Tolle and Pantheism
     Reply #44 - March 10, 2013, 07:51 PM
    Quote
    This is what this conversation looks like in my head:

    Me: How is the universe with scientific understanding any less beautiful?
    You: CUZ 2 IZ BETTUR DEN 1


    this modification , is not the act of the brain. but the consciousness.You saw 2>1 as "CUZ 2 IZ BETTUR DEN 1" makes you unique and i see the beauty in it + gratify the creator of this beautiful modification.
    All i know is what was told,
    All i think is what i know,
    All i am is what i think,
    All i know NOT is who i am.
  • Eckhart Tolle and Pantheism
     Reply #45 - March 10, 2013, 07:51 PM
    Quote from: Zebedee on March 10, 2013, 07:43 PM
    Precisely! I simply objected to the matter-of-fact, it's-all-explained-away simplistic tone expressed in that quotation.

    Rodolfo Llinás is one of the fathers of modern neuroscience. A short quotation of his work is only simplistic by virtue of it being a short quote, not by virtue of his ideas being simplistic.
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  • Eckhart Tolle and Pantheism
     Reply #46 - March 10, 2013, 07:52 PM
    Quote from: silentroar on March 10, 2013, 07:51 PM
    this modification , is not the act of the brain. but the consciousnesses.You saw 2>1 as "CUZ 2 IZ BETTUR DEN 1" makes you unique and i see the beauty in it + gratify the creator of this beautiful modification.

    Do you ever hurr durr when you herpa derp?
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  • Eckhart Tolle and Pantheism
     Reply #47 - March 10, 2013, 07:55 PM
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    Do you ever hurr durr when you herpa derp?

     tht was cute. im glad you dint throw a scientific explanation
    All i know is what was told,
    All i think is what i know,
    All i am is what i think,
    All i know NOT is who i am.
  • Eckhart Tolle and Pantheism
     Reply #48 - March 10, 2013, 07:57 PM
    I'm just trying to salvage some fun from a conversation that's getting tedious.
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  • Eckhart Tolle and Pantheism
     Reply #49 - March 10, 2013, 07:59 PM 
    Do you ever hurr durr when you herpa derp?

    no juice left for me either... gonna seek elsewhere , thanks for trying tho  Cheesy
    All i know is what was told,
    All i think is what i know,
    All i am is what i think,
    All i know NOT is who i am.
  • Eckhart Tolle and Pantheism
     Reply #50 - March 15, 2013, 05:41 PM
    Ok my pantheist belief has changed a little to describe form, or this universe. There was an "Architect" God, who was a hermaphrodite created lesser Gods who were both male and female, and they created children "Lesser Gods" through process of sex. There were many different Gods and Goddesses finally there was Sophia, who created Jehovah (Abrahamic God). She did not have a husband, so she created him like virgin birth. This God was a monster. He created the material realm and this universe. Sophia contacted Satan and told him about the fruit of knowledge. Adam and Eve ate the fruit (apple) symbolizes thought. From thought there began to rebel against Jehovah.  This is story my brother told me. It does explain why Abrahamic God enjoys torturing human beings and is on a power trip wanting only himself to be worshiped. Proof? This is Gnosticism, but a simpler version and to understand it is very complex. The religion is the religion of the free mason. Interesting story... Do I believe it? I don't know. There could me multiple different universes. It does explain form of the universe. I believe the architect is timeless, formless, and most omnipotent.
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