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  • Eckhart Tolle and Pantheism
     OP - March 10, 2013, 04:36 PM
    Anyone familiar with the writings of Eckhart Tolle "The Power of Now" and "A New Earth". Basically he teaches that we are not our thoughts, but the consciousness that is aware of those thoughts. The silent observer is who we are and it can only be felt, and not conceptualized by the mind. Words cannot describe our true being. I am basically believing that there is an intelligent consciousness that is responsible for all of creation. This consciousness is formless and unimaginable for the mind.  It enters the world of form through vessels, which are form. The brain does not create consciousness the consciousness creates the brain. At the root level everything is connected to the one source. We are that consciousness experiencing itself through different forms. Very interesting...
  • Eckhart Tolle and Pantheism
     Reply #1 - March 10, 2013, 04:39 PM
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    I am basically believing that there is an intelligent consciousness that is responsible for all of creation. This consciousness is formless and unimaginable for the mind.  It enters the world of form through vessels, which are form.


    Proof?
  • Eckhart Tolle and Pantheism
     Reply #2 - March 10, 2013, 04:45 PM
    Well everything seems to have a design to it. There has to be some sort of intelligence behind it. This stuff is difficult to prove with words alone. Check out this video it does better job explaining.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lagC4l7SO0
  • Eckhart Tolle and Pantheism
     Reply #3 - March 10, 2013, 04:47 PM
    So how would the universe look any different if it were not designed?
  • Eckhart Tolle and Pantheism
     Reply #4 - March 10, 2013, 04:50 PM
    I think there would be nothing if there was no design.
  • Eckhart Tolle and Pantheism
     Reply #5 - March 10, 2013, 04:50 PM
    Ah, I see. So with out a designer there is nothing?
  • Eckhart Tolle and Pantheism
     Reply #6 - March 10, 2013, 04:54 PM
    I think so. It would be just formlessness. Nothing. I don't know the designer, it is beyond mind.
  • Eckhart Tolle and Pantheism
     Reply #7 - March 10, 2013, 04:56 PM
    So surely you must wonder whence came the designer, do you not? Would a designer not also require a designer, and so forth ad infinitum?
  • Eckhart Tolle and Pantheism
     Reply #8 - March 10, 2013, 04:59 PM
    In before some mangled reference to quantum mechanics or a Bohm quote.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Eckhart Tolle and Pantheism
     Reply #9 - March 10, 2013, 05:05 PM
    Time is an illusion all that exists is the present moment. The designer is eternal. We are the designer experiencing the present moment. Nothing is separate. When Adam and Eve ate from the forbidden fruit they became aware of good and evil. This is metaphor I think. They started putting labels on everything. They lost touch with their designer self. Basically we are consciousness part of the universe looking back at itself trying to experience the moment.
  • Eckhart Tolle and Pantheism
     Reply #10 - March 10, 2013, 05:07 PM
    OK wait so before I respond to anything else, you know that Adam and Eve never existed right?
  • Eckhart Tolle and Pantheism
     Reply #11 - March 10, 2013, 05:11 PM
    Yes it is metaphor for all of humanity. The evolution we took from animals to thinking human beings.
  • Eckhart Tolle and Pantheism
     Reply #12 - March 10, 2013, 05:12 PM
    Quote from: rokomo on March 10, 2013, 05:05 PM
    Time is an illusion all that exists is the present moment. The designer is eternal. We are the designer experiencing the present moment. Nothing is separate. When Adam and Eve ate from the forbidden fruit they became aware of good and evil. This is metaphor I think. They started putting labels on everything. They lost touch with their designer self. Basically we are consciousness part of the universe looking back at itself trying to experience the moment.

    Existence transforms positive external reality. Self power is inherent in karmic acceptance. The invisible exists as unbridled force fields. The universe is rooted in intricate silence. Perceptual reality serves potential positivity. Everything grows through irrational bliss. Hidden meaning embraces total potentiality. The unexplainable comprehends your own self-knowledge.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Eckhart Tolle and Pantheism
     Reply #13 - March 10, 2013, 05:14 PM
    I don't know what you talking about Ishina Tongue. Your post is to smart for me...
  • Eckhart Tolle and Pantheism
     Reply #14 - March 10, 2013, 05:15 PM
    Why do you suppose there is a Designer?
    Have you heard the good news? There is no God!
  • Eckhart Tolle and Pantheism
     Reply #15 - March 10, 2013, 05:18 PM
    Same reason I suppose there is consciousness.
  • Eckhart Tolle and Pantheism
     Reply #16 - March 10, 2013, 05:20 PM
    OK. So your understanding of evolution seems to be a bit off, but anyhow, I digress.

    Why and how can you assert that an intelligent, formless, eternal, designer exists with out a shred of evidence?

    If the universe in all of its complexity and magnificence could not exist without a designer, then how could a designer—especially an intelligent designer—exist without a designer? Surely the entity that designed the universe must be even more magnificent and complex. You would run into the same dilemma.
  • Eckhart Tolle and Pantheism
     Reply #17 - March 10, 2013, 05:20 PM
    Quote from: rokomo on March 10, 2013, 05:18 PM
    Same reason I suppose there is consciousness.

    What's the reason?
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Eckhart Tolle and Pantheism
     Reply #18 - March 10, 2013, 05:37 PM
    @happy I can feel this entity. It is not describable with words. You are the entity. All is the entity. Try this close your eyes and focus on your breathing for one minutes. Watch your thoughts. Your true nature, will be revealed to you when you are one with the present moment. It is like this. Thoughts are a finger that point to the truth, but they are not the truth. Yeah I guess I don't really know if there is an intelligent designer beyond the designer. "I don't know." is our true nature.

    @Ishina Consciousness exists because I am aware. 
  • Eckhart Tolle and Pantheism
     Reply #19 - March 10, 2013, 05:43 PM
    OK, so I treid it and all I felt was slight acid reflux from the sushi I had for lunch. It seems a little odd that the burn of wasabi is my "true inner nature."  Huh? But anyhow, if that's what you want to believe in, I guess it's fine by me. Everyone is entitled to their right to be wrong.
  • Eckhart Tolle and Pantheism
     Reply #20 - March 10, 2013, 05:46 PM
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bImdyQn43s8
  • Eckhart Tolle and Pantheism
     Reply #21 - March 10, 2013, 05:47 PM
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    I guess I don't really know if there is an intelligent designer beyond the designer.


    Actually, you don't even know if there is a designer. You kinda just made that bit up too.
  • Eckhart Tolle and Pantheism
     Reply #22 - March 10, 2013, 05:51 PM
    Quote from: rokomo on March 10, 2013, 05:37 PM
    @Ishina Consciousness exists because I am aware.  

    Thanks, Captain Obvious. But I didn't ask why or if consciousness exists. I asked for the reason you suppose a designer exists after you said it exists for the "Same reason I suppose there is consciousness."
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Eckhart Tolle and Pantheism
     Reply #23 - March 10, 2013, 05:59 PM
    designer=consciousness. Can you explain the nature of consciousness? I don't know why it exists, but it exists, because I am aware of it. Don't get attached to the words.
  • Eckhart Tolle and Pantheism
     Reply #24 - March 10, 2013, 06:04 PM
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    Don't get attached to the words.


    Sorry buddy, I'm afraid your words are all we have to go by. So far you are doing a pretty bad job at using them.

    Designer: : one who creates and often executes plans for a project or structure

    Consciousness: the quality or state of being aware especially of something within oneself

    i.e., designer ≠ consciousness
  • Eckhart Tolle and Pantheism
     Reply #25 - March 10, 2013, 06:16 PM
    Quote from: rokomo on March 10, 2013, 05:59 PM
    designer=consciousness.

    All you've done here is flip-flop between consciousness of a human being and consciousness in the sense of universal architect.

    Quote from: rokomo on March 10, 2013, 05:59 PM
    Can you explain the nature of consciousness? I don't know why it exists, but it exists.

    "Consciousness is a noncontinuous event determined by simultaneity of activity in the thalamocortical system. Secondary qualities of our senses such as colors, identified smells, tastes, and sounds are but inventions/constructs of an intrinsic CNS (central nervous system) semantic. [...] Dialogue between the thalamus and the cortex generates subjectivity in humans and in higher vertebrates."
    - Llinás, I of the Vortex

    Quote from: rokomo on March 10, 2013, 05:59 PM
    Don't get attached to the words.

    Stop shifting contexts then.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Eckhart Tolle and Pantheism
     Reply #26 - March 10, 2013, 06:18 PM
    LOL Yea I suck at explaining this stuff.  Cheesy I am just going to give up for now. The spiritual teacher Eckhart Tolle explains things way better. He uses better words, so I recommend checking his stuff out. For now I see pantheism the most appealing, so I will stick to it. Although I am not sure how to explain it to anyone else, so I will keep it to myself.
  • Eckhart Tolle and Pantheism
     Reply #27 - March 10, 2013, 06:19 PM
    ahh theists. I love you guys. sometimes.
  • Eckhart Tolle and Pantheism
     Reply #28 - March 10, 2013, 06:37 PM
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    "Consciousness is a noncontinuous event determined by simultaneity of activity in the thalamocortical system. Secondary qualities of our senses such as colors, identified smells, tastes, and sounds are but inventions/constructs of an intrinsic CNS (central nervous system) semantic. [...] Dialogue between the thalamus and the cortex generates subjectivity in humans and in higher vertebrates."
    - Llinás, I of the Vortex


    I'm sure those things are 'but' inventions of the CNS considering they wouldn't exist without external stimuli. The above sounds very 'sense-data' theory to me. All the same, it doesn't define consciousness, it just describes neurological processes that are believed to cause it. Conspicuously omitted is a definition of the subjective, experiential quality of consciousness, which is of course what people generally understand by the term.

    *Runs like fuck*
  • Eckhart Tolle and Pantheism
     Reply #29 - March 10, 2013, 06:38 PM
    Quote from: rokomo on March 10, 2013, 06:18 PM
    The spiritual teacher Eckhart Tolle explains things way better. He uses better words, so I recommend checking his stuff out.

    He doesn't, though. He makes vague allusions to some kind of shared experience and everyone being expressions of "The One", but there is no explanatory power or detail to address the questions we are presenting. It's just self-help happy talk. Just Coca-cola advert wisdom.

    He's an interesting guy with good intentions, but his ideas are no more intellectually or scientifically robust than the average stoner's.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
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