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  • Islam was not the first monotheistic religion and stop calling me a Christian!
     OP - March 12, 2013, 06:55 PM

    So I got into this argument, i try to avoid arguments with any kind of religious person because I understand they believe strictly on faith, and reject any kind of proof. But this particular argument I couldn't slide. Preaching to Muslim and non-Muslim audiences that Islam is the first monotheistic religion, and there is no such thing as Judaism and Christianity. Everything is Islam. That really really boils my blood. Why? Well how you feel if you wrote a book and someone else copied it later, claiming that theirs was better, and yours was just a mock-up made specifically for them. Speaking from a cultural perspective that's just not fair. That's like saying Native American culture isn't 'their' culture it's 'American' that just happened to be practiced first before the settles showed up.

    So naturally I bring up that Judaism and Christianity came first (and not even they really came first, but I present these as my arguments since these are more widely known and still practiced). And Two Muslims (I assume), refer to me as 'the Christian' in a condescending manner. In fairness I am an ex-Christian, but seriously I'm insulted >:[ Seriously does any one else debate Muslims? Or do they just focus on Christianity since Christians top them globally and are in direct competition for brainwashing the masses. Naturally I think everything is BS, but I still respect the mythos behind Abrahamic religions and I don't think it's fair that any culture gets their ideas ripped off, by another culture, then claims that the previous one never really existed or contributed.

    Like imagine some asshole decides to rewrite, Greek mythos, or Egyptian mythos and adds like space ships, or zombies to spruce it up for the modern era. Seriously fuck that, and screw the Quran for not even giving an inkling of credit to the past cultures for pretty much laying the foundation of its existence. I don't care if it's true or not, that Noah fit every fucking animal in his tiny boat just stop preaching that it was your original idea when it was around thousands of thousands of years later. Christians and Judaism stole their stories as well but Islam has little claim to go around preaching that it's theirs, since the Quran was written after both of them, I often use Christianity and Judaism as examples because those are religions people  know and practice.

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  • Islam was not the first monotheistic religion and stop calling me a Christian!
     Reply #1 - March 12, 2013, 07:03 PM

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    Preaching to Muslim and non-Muslim audiences that Islam is the first monotheistic religion, and there is no such thing as Judaism and Christianity. Everything is Islam. That really really boils my blood. Why?


    Because Muslims believe that Islam is simply the perfected religion that contains Judaism and Christianity, which were deviant interepretations of monotheism.


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  • Islam was not the first monotheistic religion and stop calling me a Christian!
     Reply #2 - March 12, 2013, 08:06 PM

    it's easy to be first at something when you get to define what it is.

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
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  • Islam was not the first monotheistic religion and stop calling me a Christian!
     Reply #3 - March 12, 2013, 10:11 PM

    On large scale, I thought it was Zoroastrianism.

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  • Islam was not the first monotheistic religion and stop calling me a Christian!
     Reply #4 - March 12, 2013, 10:23 PM

    From the Muslim perspective, Islam was the original religion of mankind. They do not mean that the revelations that Muhammad claimed to receive were first. They mean that Islam (i.e. submitting to God) was the original, first religion. Whoever has followed God’s prophets correctly, therefore, are a part of that original religion.

    As they assert that Jews and Christians have “changed” or “corrupted” their religion, those religions are no longer submission to the will of God. That is why the Qur’an claims, to the dismay of Jews and Christians, that “Abraham was neither a Jew nor a Christian, but he was one inclining toward truth, a Muslim [submitting to Allah ]. And he was not of the polytheists. Indeed, the most worthy of Abraham among the people are those who follow him [in submission to Allah ] and this prophet, and those who believe [in his message]. And Allah is the ally of the believers.”
  • Islam was not the first monotheistic religion and stop calling me a Christian!
     Reply #5 - March 12, 2013, 10:34 PM

    From the Muslim perspective, Islam was the original religion of mankind.

    ..................they assert that Jews and Christians have “changed” or “corrupted” their religion,.................

    and if you ask Islamic Mullahs + well educated  well read Muslims.., 

    1). What  verses/what chapters of bible  was corrupted in Bible by Christians/Jews? You will not get an answer from them.

    2). Also  what is it,  that has been theologically improved in Quran over that OT and NT by alleged revelations of allah to Muhammad?   you will not get an answer from them on that  simple question also..

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  • Islam was not the first monotheistic religion and stop calling me a Christian!
     Reply #6 - March 12, 2013, 10:36 PM

    it's easy to be first at something when you get to define what it is.


    Brilliantly said, sums it up!

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Islam was not the first monotheistic religion and stop calling me a Christian!
     Reply #7 - March 12, 2013, 10:55 PM

    Like I can get psychological why they would say Islam means submission to the one God and therefore they were the first. However, regardless of whether or not you think Christianity or Judaism is the 'corrupt' version. They were still wide spread and practiced for thousands of years before God changed his mind and way like.. hmm nah these guys aren't doing it right better send someone in. THOUSANDS of years later.

    So you mean to tell me God the all knowing powerful being let his people worship him wrong for thousands of years sent a bunch of prophets and kept changing his mind. This is something else that convinces me that Islam is false, because it tries to take credit for everything every past prophet, every popular mythos. without ever explaining why non of these prophets foresaw the coming of Muhammad. Or why Islam or the 'term' Muslim was never a coined phrase. Also no one uses a the term 'Muslim' to describe a Jew or a Christian. So I don't buy the whole 'Muslim' is just a word to mean one who submits to God. Only past prophets which Muhammad would not dare insult in his time, which by today's standards would be considered infidels. In Islam it stops being about who worships the one Abrahamic God, and is more about who worships Muhammad. >:0
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  • Islam was not the first monotheistic religion and stop calling me a Christian!
     Reply #8 - March 13, 2013, 03:20 AM

    and if you ask Islamic Mullahs + well educated  well read Muslims.., 

    1). What  verses/what chapters of bible  was corrupted in Bible by Christians/Jews? You will not get an answer from them.

    2). Also  what is it,  that has been theologically improved in Quran over that OT and NT by alleged revelations of allah to Muhammad?   you will not get an answer from them on that  simple question also..


    These are brilliant questions, I'll have to remember them.

    "Knowledge is preferable to ignorance. Better by far to embrace the hard truth than a reassuring fable. If we crave some cosmic purpose, then let us find ourselves a worthy goal." - Carl Sagan
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