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  • TheRationalizer vs Hamza Tzortzis
     OP - March 17, 2013, 02:18 PM
    The Rationaliser has officially challenged Hamza Tzotzis to a public debate, please spread the news far and wide so Hamza has no where to hide.
    https://mobile.twitter.com/TheRationaliser/status/313289443563941888
  • Bring it on!!
     Reply #1 - March 17, 2013, 02:18 PM
    TheRationalizer is willing to debate Hamza the Tortoise in a public venue.  Let's see if Hamza has the courage to debate him or if he comes up with another excuse.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/TheRationaliser/status/313289443563941888
    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • The Rationaliser vs Hamza
     Reply #2 - March 17, 2013, 02:18 PM
    he already won

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2Pdc60JBvE
  • The Rationaliser vs Hamza
     Reply #3 - March 17, 2013, 02:22 PM
    Looks like we both posted a thread about this at the same time.


    Mods can you please merge this thread with " Bring it on!!" 
    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • Bring it on!!
     Reply #4 - March 17, 2013, 02:23 PM
    to be honest I thin Hamza will just come up with an excuse to not debate TheRationalizer.
    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • Bring it on!!
     Reply #5 - March 17, 2013, 02:29 PM
    There will be disagreement about who gets to film, random drug testing etc.
    Another Pacquiao VS Mayweather, (except that Tzortzis would more accurately be compared to Usman Ahmed)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJPesST-skg
  • The Rationaliser vs Hamza
     Reply #6 - March 17, 2013, 02:29 PM
    I added it to the Ex-muslim Subreddit www.reddit.com/r/exmuslim/ as well, hopefully the more this gets advertised the more pressure it puts on Hamza to accept.
    Edit:
    I think the site is moderated as I don't see my post there yet
  • TheRationalizer vs Hamza Tzortzis
     Reply #7 - March 17, 2013, 02:41 PM
    Threads merged. parrot
    "Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so." -- Bertrand Russell

    Baloney Detection Kit
  • TheRationalizer vs Hamza Tzortzis
     Reply #8 - March 17, 2013, 03:26 PM
    Quote from: dr_sloth on March 17, 2013, 02:29 PM
    There will be disagreement about who gets to film, random drug testing etc.
    Another Pacquiao VS Mayweather, (except that Tzortzis would more accurately be compared to Usman Ahmed)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJPesST-skg

     

    And that's exactly whats going to go down if Hamza has the balls to debate TheRationalizer.

    He will walk in with a big show and a bunch of takbeers and fanboys while TheRationalizer will just calmly walk in and knock out Hamza and leave time to spare.

    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • TheRationalizer vs Hamza Tzortzis
     Reply #9 - March 17, 2013, 03:42 PM
    Hamza is squirming already.   

    Hamza can only debate if IERA lets him apparently.

    It's very unlikely they will want to debate someone who is actually knowledgeable about Islam. They don't want negative publicity.


    yeah.. this debate is probably not going to happen.
    Attached image is missing * iera.PNG (45.98 KB, 520x581 - viewed 2282 times.)
    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • TheRationalizer vs Hamza Tzortzis
     Reply #10 - March 17, 2013, 03:47 PM
    So which doesn't he think is perfect - Qur'an or Universe?? Allah and his shoddy handy work eh?
  • TheRationalizer vs Hamza Tzortzis
     Reply #11 - March 17, 2013, 03:48 PM
    It would be a good debate, but the result won't be any different. Muslims will refuse to listen to or to understand anything Rationalizer says, and declare another victory.
    Hamza has the advantage of only needing simplistic arguments. refutations are necessarily more complex and require effort to understand. Muslims are not willing to put any effort in.
  • TheRationalizer vs Hamza Tzortzis
     Reply #12 - March 17, 2013, 03:50 PM
    Why does this suddenly need board approval? Earlier he would say yay or nay without consultation.
    I guess he knows who he is dealing with now.



    Attached image is missing * hamza.png (214.86 KB, 722x755 - viewed 2367 times.)
  • TheRationalizer vs Hamza Tzortzis
     Reply #13 - March 17, 2013, 04:05 PM
    It is fair enough for him to agree on the debate topic. It is also fair enough that he is scared because he should be
  • TheRationalizer vs Hamza Tzortzis
     Reply #14 - March 17, 2013, 04:37 PM
    I hope this happens...but I don't think it will because Hamza knows there is no way he can win.
  • TheRationalizer vs Hamza Tzortzis
     Reply #15 - March 17, 2013, 04:45 PM
    he can win. All he has to do is raise his voice and speak with conviction. Add in a few easy jokes, and the Muslims will think he won. That goes down as a win for them. The actual arguments are not even relevant.
  • TheRationalizer vs Hamza Tzortzis
     Reply #16 - March 17, 2013, 04:50 PM
    If the topic they choose to debate is the Quran, Hamza is fucked. Rationalizer has utterly destroyed the Quran in his videos, though Hamza may decide to pull the 'Arabic' card when he knows he's losing (unless of course Rationalizer knows Arabic, not sure about that one Huh?)
  • TheRationalizer vs Hamza Tzortzis
     Reply #17 - March 17, 2013, 04:58 PM
    Quote from: King Tut on December 09, 2012, 06:28 PM
    Yeah an I am super ugly, I can't even beat my chest am too skinny and when I roaaar to attract women, they laugh at me, because it sounds like a girl screaming. I can't even attract any bitches!  Cry

  • TheRationalizer vs Hamza Tzortzis
     Reply #18 - March 17, 2013, 05:00 PM
    Some of you overestimate what can be achieved in a debate like this. Hamza is a relatively well practiced rhetorician, and can get away with huge amounts of theatrics and tricks to gloss over any actual argument. He doesn't even have to address anything that is put to him. He simply describes it as a 'straw man'/'fox news narrative'/'outdated cliche', and then rewords his own position in a more obfuscatory manner, and claim that his opponent misrepresented the 'nuanced scope of interpretation'.
  • TheRationalizer vs Hamza Tzortzis
     Reply #19 - March 17, 2013, 05:05 PM
    Quote
    you overestimate what can be achieved in a debate like this. Hamza is a relatively well practiced rhetorician, and can get away with huge amounts of theatrics and tricks to gloss over any actual argument.

    Sounds too much like Zakir Naik tbh.
  • TheRationalizer vs Hamza Tzortzis
     Reply #20 - March 17, 2013, 06:01 PM
    How do we know the Rationalizer is going to be any different from Krauss?

    Just asking, I don't know much about him lol.
  • TheRationalizer vs Hamza Tzortzis
     Reply #21 - March 17, 2013, 06:09 PM
    Because Krauss isnt even interested in Islam, whereas TheRationalizer is one of the world's leading dawah debunkers, and that isn't even an exaggeration.
  • TheRationalizer vs Hamza Tzortzis
     Reply #22 - March 17, 2013, 06:11 PM
    Hi Kutta, watch some of The Rationaliser's vids - it will give you an idea on his Islamic knowledge.

    http://www.youtube.com/user/TheRationalizer
  • TheRationalizer vs Hamza Tzortzis
     Reply #23 - March 17, 2013, 06:12 PM
    @kutta

    TheRationalizer knows more about the Quran and Islam than most muslims.

    Check out this video.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FaNg_nxqns



    His Youtube Channel http://www.youtube.com/user/TheRationalizer
    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • TheRationalizer vs Hamza Tzortzis
     Reply #24 - March 17, 2013, 06:38 PM
    Not hard, considering that He's probably read it more than most muslims.
  • TheRationalizer vs Hamza Tzortzis
     Reply #25 - March 17, 2013, 08:48 PM
    One thing that needs to be addressed clearly if this debate were to happen, is the actual question that needs answering. The way IERA word the actual question makes it easy for them to skip the troubling issues and hide behind the rhetoric/cliches etc. The question that is addressed in the debate should place the burden of proof solely at hamza's feet (which should be the case anyway). This is the only time Muslims can not hide behind Hamza's canned jokes and excrutiatingly long word play.
  • TheRationalizer vs Hamza Tzortzis
     Reply #26 - March 17, 2013, 09:04 PM
    How about the simplest of questions : "Is Islam true?"
  • TheRationalizer vs Hamza Tzortzis
     Reply #27 - March 17, 2013, 09:12 PM
    too vague, he will end shifting the burden of proof all debate and insist the other not understanding the argument. What needs to be addressed are his specific claims.
  • TheRationalizer vs Hamza Tzortzis
     Reply #28 - March 17, 2013, 09:23 PM
    Determinism. Fucking do it. Hit that self-destruct button.
  • TheRationalizer vs Hamza Tzortzis
     Reply #29 - March 17, 2013, 09:23 PM
    Or doesn't tortoise debate determinism. Estrangement from the muslim community is a beautiful thing.
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