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 Topic: Zamzam, flies and pigeons

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  • Zamzam, flies and pigeons
     OP - March 22, 2013, 02:40 PM
    Just heard about water that will stay fresh in a fridge for a year, and that there are no flies and pigeons, and that it is cooler at the kaaba.

    What is this stuff?  Is it right there is no pigeon poo on the kabaa and that flies and pigeons stay away because it is so holy?

    Also is it the only place on the planet where the sun always rises and sets at six am and six pm?

    How common are these ideas?
    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Zamzam, flies and pigeons
     Reply #1 - March 22, 2013, 03:00 PM
    It's just some 'holy' water and you only get a little bit of it. you have to say bismillah after every zip (three times) It's very cold, but i haven't heard of the pigeon poo thing.
  • Zamzam, flies and pigeons
     Reply #2 - March 22, 2013, 04:51 PM
    I’ve never heard of flies being attracted to water, so that point makes no sense. It's cooler at the Kaaba because it's filtered and refrigerated. It’s funny how “miraculous” technology can make things. Here is what the explorer Richard Burton had to say about the well when he visited Makkah in the 1800s.
       
       
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    “It is apt to cause diarrhea and boils, and I never saw a stranger drink it without a wry face…[T]he flavor is a salt-bitter, much resembling an infusion of a teaspoonful of Epsom salts in a large tumbler of tepid water. Moreover, it is exceedingly “heavy” to the digestion. For this reason Turks and other strangers prefer rain-water…”

     
  • Zamzam, flies and pigeons
     Reply #3 - March 22, 2013, 05:14 PM
    Hang on, this does not compute.  Where is this zamzam spring?  And has anyone got photos of pigeon poo on the kabaa or seen flies there?

    (Or are the saudi authorities doing interesting stuff like air conditioning the area?)
    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Zamzam, flies and pigeons
     Reply #4 - March 22, 2013, 05:25 PM
    lol...The Masjid Al Haram complex is ginormous. It resembles a mega shopping mall in size. It is regularly cleaned and sanitized by a team of migrant workers. They work around the clock, polishing, sweeping, moping, and cleaning.. It has three levels, with an additional open roof. It is made of marble and stone and adorned in brass. It has every modern commodity one might expect in a building of its size: escalators, elevators, air conditioning, a state of the art sound system, electric signs, etc.  It is surrounded by towering sky scrapers and five star hotels. It is not some rinky-dink place in the middle of the desert.  

    The Zamzam well has been covered over. The “water from the well” is pumped and piped, filtered and cleaned, and available to pilgrims through fountains and faucets at the back of the mosque. When I first visited Makkah, the pump of the well was accessible and visible in the basement of the mosque. With the latest renovations, however, the original point of the well has been completely covered over. We have to trust the Saudis that the water served to the pilgrims comes only from the original source.
  • Zamzam, flies and pigeons
     Reply #5 - March 22, 2013, 05:33 PM
    I've heard the pigeons poop on the people doing hajj, but I can't seem to find anything that proves one way or another whether it poops on the kabbah.

    I still think it's bullshit though. 

    If allah can protect the kabbah from pigeon poop because it's holy, why couldn't he protect it from being smashed back in the days by Qarmation (sp?) warriors and not returned for just over 2 decades?

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Zamzam, flies and pigeons
     Reply #6 - March 22, 2013, 05:36 PM
    And it is correct that I cannot go there, never having been Muslim, unless I do a Richard Burton or get invited as a special guest?
    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Zamzam, flies and pigeons
     Reply #7 - March 22, 2013, 05:39 PM
    The place is jam packed with PEOPLE. You never hear people marveling over the lack of pigeon poo in their local mall or at a football stadium. The place is in the middle of a concrete jungle. 
    Attached image is missing * view-from-masjid-haram-night.jpg (1102.47 KB, 854x1280 - viewed 975 times.)
  • Zamzam, flies and pigeons
     Reply #8 - March 22, 2013, 05:41 PM
    and another
    Attached image is missing * 008-inside-masjid-al-haram-012.jpg (418.08 KB, 1024x681 - viewed 1260 times.)
  • Zamzam, flies and pigeons
     Reply #9 - March 22, 2013, 05:42 PM
    Clean...
    Attached image is missing * Ladies Prayer Area in new Expansion of Masjid Al Haram (1).JPG (258.42 KB, 1200x905 - viewed 1724 times.)
  • Zamzam, flies and pigeons
     Reply #10 - March 22, 2013, 05:44 PM
    It would be very easy to keep all of that cool as well, with some ice rink technology under it all, and clever control of how air moves.  It might be too cold for flies and pigeons!
    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Zamzam, flies and pigeons
     Reply #11 - March 22, 2013, 05:52 PM
    Quote from: moi on March 22, 2013, 05:44 PM
    It would be very easy to keep all of that cool as well, with some ice rink technology under it all, and clever control of how air moves.  It might be too cold for flies and pigeons!


    Oh they do just that. The marble is a special, heat resistant marble with cooled pipes running underneath. It is necessary to keep the place cool in the 120 degree heat. (50+ for you Celsius people)

    Heat control, sanitation, and crowd management are huge parts of the hajj process. There are mist sprayers all over the place that spray cool water vapor (kinda like the lines at Disney world), and the air-conditioning system in the Prophet’s mosque is among the largest in the world. The place is regularly sanitized as well. (This was something that was highlighted during the swine flu scare a few years back.

    It is no secret that the Saudis have spent billions upon billions of dollars in making the sites the marvels they are today. It is because of science, however, not miracles that they were able to do this.

    One only has to view accounts from earlier years when pilgrims died of disease, banditry, exhaustion, and heat stroke to realize that the place is nothing special in and of itself.
  • Zamzam, flies and pigeons
     Reply #12 - March 22, 2013, 05:58 PM
    I'd love to sneak into masjid al haram with a girl, have sex on video tape and then upload the video on the internet.


    I would become the first murtad to film a homemade porn vid in masjid al haram.

    Guinness book of world records for blasphemy  dance  dance

    After all there are stories of people having sex in churches all the time...
    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • Zamzam, flies and pigeons
     Reply #13 - March 22, 2013, 06:01 PM
    No lie. A Saudi police officer once told me that so many drug deals and prostitution deals go on inside the haram. It’s a huge place that has people in it 24 seven, so it is the perfect place to get “lost in a crowd.”
  • Zamzam, flies and pigeons
     Reply #14 - March 22, 2013, 06:03 PM
    Yea, but blatant sexual intercourse?

    DarkRebel it might be the last orgasm you'd ever get to have.  Grin

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Zamzam, flies and pigeons
     Reply #15 - March 22, 2013, 06:04 PM
    Don't waste it there.   no
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Zamzam, flies and pigeons
     Reply #16 - March 22, 2013, 06:05 PM
    It's completely open and always buzzing with people. It would be like doing it on the floor of a crowded shopping mall. Women do, however, always get groped by all the pervert guys there though.
  • Zamzam, flies and pigeons
     Reply #17 - March 22, 2013, 06:09 PM
    That's because they're not wearing face veils.  Islamic tru story dat.   cool2
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Zamzam, flies and pigeons
     Reply #18 - March 22, 2013, 06:12 PM
    But aren't all the women in masjad al haram in niqab??

    If they just grope women at random they could be groping a 90 year old and think their groping a twenty year old...
    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • Zamzam, flies and pigeons
     Reply #19 - March 22, 2013, 06:16 PM
    Quote from: TheDarkRebel on March 22, 2013, 06:12 PM
    But aren't all the women in masjad al haram in niqab??

    If they just grope women at random they could be groping a 90 year old and think their groping a twenty year old...


    Quote
    Scholars holding this view also state that it is well accepted by all scholars that the Prophet categorically forbade people from covering their faces or hands during hajj, the pilgrimage to Mecca. If it was necessary that the hands and face be covered at all times, he would not have stated its impermissibility during one of the most sacred points of a person's life.


    http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/islam/beliefs/niqab_1.shtml


    I was always taught that during Hajj you can't wear it, and I always took that to mean you had to wear it at all other times, although the BBC link says it can be interpreted the other way round, ie why would he forbid it during the most religious ceremony?

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Zamzam, flies and pigeons
     Reply #20 - March 22, 2013, 07:31 PM
    I went to Mecca when i was a kid and the loos smelled of poo and shit. Why would that be?
  • Zamzam, flies and pigeons
     Reply #21 - March 22, 2013, 09:32 PM
    But why would a science graduate tell me such things, and what was so strange, obviously believe them?
    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Zamzam, flies and pigeons
     Reply #22 - March 22, 2013, 09:59 PM
    Quote from: infinite_del on March 22, 2013, 07:31 PM
    I went to Mecca when i was a kid and the loos smelled of poo and shit. Why would that be?


    Could you distinguish the poo from the shit though?
  • Zamzam, flies and pigeons
     Reply #23 - March 22, 2013, 10:08 PM
    Quote from: moi on March 22, 2013, 09:32 PM
    But why would a science graduate tell me such things, and what was so strange, obviously believe them?


    My question is:  How can you have 1498 posts, and still be asking these sort of questions?
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Zamzam, flies and pigeons
     Reply #24 - March 22, 2013, 10:32 PM
    Because I foolishly believe humans are basically sane, and those with some edumacation should be an example!
    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Zamzam, flies and pigeons
     Reply #25 - March 22, 2013, 10:33 PM
    Quote
    Because I foolishly believe humans are basically sane...........

    Evidence?
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Zamzam, flies and pigeons
     Reply #26 - March 22, 2013, 10:35 PM
    Faith? mkay?  parrot
    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Zamzam, flies and pigeons
     Reply #27 - March 22, 2013, 10:35 PM
    Oh i meant poo and pee. Thanks for pointing it out happymurtad.
    I remember quite vividly finding a little cockroach in one of the orange water coolers filled with zamzam.
  • Zamzam, flies and pigeons
     Reply #28 - March 22, 2013, 10:41 PM
    I suppose if flies are found there, it would be said they are the type you can put in your drink, how does that hadith go? 

    Now are those cockroaches holy cockroaches, would someone ask that question on an Islamic forum?
    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Zamzam, flies and pigeons
     Reply #29 - March 22, 2013, 10:43 PM
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=pcmpI1gsOkI

    hmm this  Scoundrel  SHOULD BE JAILED FOR FRAUD...

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    Dr. Knut Pfeiffer, is Christian German doctor specialist in internal medicine. For more info: www.pst-knutpfeiffer.de . He has discovered that Zamam water has far more positive effect on human cells than regular drinking water from Munich, Germany. He also believes that Islamic prayers are more positive effect on the energy and thus health than Christian prayers.

       and he is a medical doctor....
    http://www.pst-knutpfeiffer.de/eng/wilk.html
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