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  • Are Sharia councils failing vulnerable women? BBC documentary
     Reply #30 - April 23, 2013, 02:14 AM
    Will post it if we find it, will be on the BBC site for 7 days soon so you may be able to view through proxy
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Are Sharia councils failing vulnerable women? BBC documentary
     Reply #31 - April 23, 2013, 09:16 AM

    Available to view now (UK only)

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01rxfjt/Panorama_Secrets_of_Britains_Sharia_Councils/

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Are Sharia councils failing vulnerable women? BBC documentary
     Reply #32 - April 23, 2013, 10:13 AM
    Anyway to trick this thing into thinking I'm in the UK?  Tongue
    Quote from: ZooBear 

    • Surah Al-Fil: In an epic game of Angry Birds, Allah uses birds (that drop pebbles) to destroy an army riding elephants whose intentions were to destroy the Kaaba. No one has beaten the high score.

  • Are Sharia councils failing vulnerable women? BBC documentary
     Reply #33 - April 23, 2013, 10:15 AM
    I've tried finding proxies for BBC before but not had any success. Help would be greatly appreciated!  yes
    At evening, casual flocks of pigeons make
    Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
    Downward to darkness, on extended wings. - Stevens
  • Are Sharia councils failing vulnerable women? BBC documentary
     Reply #34 - April 23, 2013, 10:32 AM
    A response to the documentary from 'Women 4 Sharia'

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFTgu3Fh0nE
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Are Sharia councils failing vulnerable women? BBC documentary
     Reply #35 - April 23, 2013, 10:55 AM
    Oh for fuck's sake.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Are Sharia councils failing vulnerable women? BBC documentary
     Reply #36 - April 23, 2013, 10:58 AM
    I wonder what Usama Hasan's views are. His parents do loom large in this documentary, after all.

    (What man or woman, not insane, would give this glorified village mullah and his wife any authority over anyone? Not that any of the other Sharia councils sound any better.)

    Before it gets too late, you will find escape.
  • Are Sharia councils failing vulnerable women? BBC documentary
     Reply #37 - April 23, 2013, 11:13 AM
    Quote from: billy on April 23, 2013, 10:32 AM
    A response to the documentary from 'Women 4 Sharia'

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFTgu3Fh0nE


    I can't watch this video without thinking of one of my favourite songs. It's painful to watch.
    Before it gets too late, you will find escape.
  • Are Sharia councils failing vulnerable women? BBC documentary
     Reply #38 - April 23, 2013, 11:15 AM
    I just finished watching it myself and although I'm happy when I see regular TV tackle Islamic issues it still pisses me off when they don't give you thd whole picture.

    Like for example the moment they explain Islamic custody and say a girl goes to her father as young as 9. Umm not the total truth, she can be taken the moment she is weaned even before if a wet nurse is used if the mother remarries. The step father is a sexual danger to her so for her own protection she goes to her dad. I know a woman who remains within her abusive marriage because she doesn't want to hand over custody of her daughters.

    Why not give that part of the story too?
    Other than that it was quite frustrating to watch, to see them clinging to this need for an Islamic divorce through the sharia courts even convert women.

     Only had an islamic marriage and I can assure you that even if he hadn't said I divorce you 3 times I still would have considered our unrecognised marriage as over the moment I left him.

    The stuff being said to them ie the questions over whether the woman might me to blame reminds me of the imam who would never back me up in telling my ex to stop beating me. Its despicable this can be allowed to happen in a country that has hard won laws to protect its female citizens.
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Are Sharia councils failing vulnerable women? BBC documentary
     Reply #39 - April 23, 2013, 11:21 AM
    Lady on the left:
    Quote
    If she still does not come to obedience, hit her lightly.
    You don't do it in a manner that causes her pain on injury.


    Quote from: ZooBear 

    • Surah Al-Fil: In an epic game of Angry Birds, Allah uses birds (that drop pebbles) to destroy an army riding elephants whose intentions were to destroy the Kaaba. No one has beaten the high score.

  • Are Sharia councils failing vulnerable women? BBC documentary
     Reply #40 - April 23, 2013, 11:24 AM
    Quote from: toor on April 23, 2013, 10:58 AM
    I wonder what Usama Hasan's views are. His parents do loom large in this documentary, after all.

    (What man or woman, not insane, would give this glorified village mullah and his wife any authority over anyone? Not that any of the other Sharia councils sound any better.)




    Are they his parents? I didn't realise.

     He is a sincere man. He must really struggle with his conscience a lot.
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Are Sharia councils failing vulnerable women? BBC documentary
     Reply #41 - April 23, 2013, 11:26 AM
    LMAO, JILA!  Oh my.....Neil is just way too perfect.

    Now off to watch the Women for Shariah clip, ugggh  *cracks knuckles*
    Do not go gentle into that good night.
    Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
  • Are Sharia councils failing vulnerable women? BBC documentary
     Reply #42 - April 23, 2013, 11:27 AM
    Quote from: BerberElla on April 23, 2013, 11:15 AM
    Why not give that part of the story too?


    Time constraints I guess. We need the full picture to come out. One documentary is not enough.
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Are Sharia councils failing vulnerable women? BBC documentary
     Reply #43 - April 23, 2013, 11:36 AM
    Quote from: billy on April 23, 2013, 10:32 AM
    A response to the documentary from 'Women 4 Sharia'

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFTgu3Fh0nE


    OMFG, the amount of wrong in their response is mind-fucking-numbing.

    Pathetic. 

    Honestly, they haven't even tackled what was happening to the women in that video.  They actually didn't even care.  They did even try to say that that specific shariah court was doing wrong, they just go on and on about western women, and western life, and how rape etc happens in the west. 

    Absolutely nothing.  Just really fucking stupid.

    If they thought they were making themselves sound like smart women in bags, they seriously got it wrong.   mysmilie_977

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Are Sharia councils failing vulnerable women? BBC documentary
     Reply #44 - April 23, 2013, 11:43 AM
    okay srsly...that niqabi on the left must have her niqab glued to her face...the way it wraps around her lower eyelid so perfectly.  anyone else notice that.  i always get stuck on silly details, sorry.

    it should be a crime to have that much black polyester in one room.  hot damn!  pun intended.

    as far of there words go....seriously had to tune it out.  all the same scripts.  turning off your brains to "reason" and common sense and "submitting to Islam".  Yup, lost me right there.  and then they sprinkle that with "the media twists this and twists that and casts us in an unfair light"  BLAH BLAH BLAH.  the evil media monster from their nightmarish fairy tales.  I feel sorry for their kids, sitting around and absorbing this bs all day long.

    yup, and 12:05 and their overview of the "beating guidelines" didn't get me wantin' to re-convert.  hell to the no

    any man who pulls a switch out to beat me will be a man who won't be breathing for much longer.
    Do not go gentle into that good night.
    Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
  • Are Sharia councils failing vulnerable women? BBC documentary
     Reply #45 - April 23, 2013, 11:44 AM
    Quote from: Nour on April 07, 2013, 03:24 AM
    If the British government were to close Shariah courts (which I think they should do!), British Muslims will carp and wail about how unfair it is that they can't have their courts whilst the Jews have their special courts.


    This

    I'm really surprised that this sort of thing happens in UK,although there are quite number of muslims that won't comply and may even question the imam's judgements and seek another imam whom they consider to be fair. An educated muslimah who works won't fall for this.


    Quote
    "I couldn't bear the thought of such a violent person having my children," said Sonia.

    "What was shocking was when I explained to them why he shouldn't have that access to the children, their reaction was well you can't go against what Islam says," she added.


    Sadly, this is common. I even have friends that were victim too, one of them was even treated as merely a servant and maltreated by his step-mother after his mum was divorced and she left him there when we were children so I can really empathize with this woman.
    "I'm standing here like an asshole holding my Charles Dickens"

    "No theory,No ready made system,no book that has ever been written to save the world. i cleave to no system.."-Bakunin
  • Are Sharia councils failing vulnerable women? BBC documentary
     Reply #46 - April 23, 2013, 12:51 PM
    Yuck! That video needs to be thumbed down to hell and those women need to have their woman-cards revoked!

    They have annoying accents Tongue And the harpy on the left kept saying "you see", that was bloody annoying too. They always said "woman" instead of "women".

    12:56 "Women in Britain had to burn their bras to vote" Cheesy Cheesy 

    We don't want "gender equality", we have "gender celebration" Cheesy Cheesy 

    What the fuck does polygamy have to do with rape? Roll Eyes 

    Is it just me or did they completely fail to provide any solutions or suggestions for the problem of women being abused by their beloved shari'ah courts? They didn't even mention it, let alone address it. Muslims are always so quick to rush to Islam's defence and rant about the West when stories like this are aired; they throw fellow Muslims who are suffering under Islam under the bus in the name of defending their religion from "defamation" Roll Eyes    

    It's truly disgusting how oblivious to human suffering they are, and how their only concern is saving face for the system behind the abuse.
  • Are Sharia councils failing vulnerable women? BBC documentary
     Reply #47 - April 23, 2013, 12:57 PM
    Ugh and they pulled ye 'ole "no country has the correct shari'ah" defence. Nobody gives a fuck what "real" shari'ah is or entails, we can see what shari'ah is as it is practiced on the ground here on planet earth, from Makkah to London; it's ugly, it's bad for women, we don't like it, we don't want it, the UK was wrong to have accepted it and hopefully other Westerners can learn from that big mistake and rigorously oppose any attempts at introducing this insanity into other countries.
  • Are Sharia councils failing vulnerable women? BBC documentary
     Reply #48 - April 23, 2013, 01:09 PM
    Quote
    Ugh and they pulled ye 'ole "no country has the correct shari'ah" defence. Nobody gives a fuck what "real" shari'ah is or entails, we can see what shari'ah is as it is practiced on the ground here on planet earth, from Makkah to London; it's ugly, it's bad for women, we don't like it, we don't want it, the UK was wrong to have accepted it and hopefully other Westerners can learn from that big mistake and rigorously oppose any attempts at introducing this insanity into other countries.


    Well said!
    Do not go gentle into that good night.
    Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
  • Are Sharia councils failing vulnerable women? BBC documentary
     Reply #49 - April 23, 2013, 01:13 PM
    I hate that same old "we don't have the real shariah anywhere" technique.  Just trying to "bob and weave" out of another pertinent question, when the answer is so blatantly obvious.

    And I also hated when that sister pulled out all of those "you see's"....such a  clever dawah-style linguistic card trick.  Seen that phrase used ova, and ova, and ova again.  lol
    Do not go gentle into that good night.
    Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
  • Are Sharia councils failing vulnerable women? BBC documentary
     Reply #50 - April 23, 2013, 01:13 PM
    For those not in the UK:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTei6JHVziU


    At evening, casual flocks of pigeons make
    Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
    Downward to darkness, on extended wings. - Stevens
  • Are Sharia councils failing vulnerable women? BBC documentary
     Reply #51 - April 23, 2013, 01:19 PM
    Quote from: Al-Alethia on April 23, 2013, 12:51 PM
    We don't want "gender equality", we have "gender celebration" Cheesy Cheesy 

    "We have gender celebration" she said from under her burka, without a hint of irony.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Are Sharia councils failing vulnerable women? BBC documentary
     Reply #52 - April 23, 2013, 01:20 PM
    Thanks z10

    Watch it ASAP because sometimes the BBC is quick to get programmes taken down from youtube

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Are Sharia councils failing vulnerable women? BBC documentary
     Reply #53 - April 23, 2013, 01:21 PM
    LOL, right Ishina!

    It's a not stop party under those layers of hot, synthetic, suffocating fabric.   
    Do not go gentle into that good night.
    Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
  • Are Sharia councils failing vulnerable women? BBC documentary
     Reply #54 - April 23, 2013, 01:24 PM
    Quote from: z10 on April 23, 2013, 01:13 PM
    For those not in the UK:


    SWEET!!!
    Tyvm!
    Quote from: ZooBear 

    • Surah Al-Fil: In an epic game of Angry Birds, Allah uses birds (that drop pebbles) to destroy an army riding elephants whose intentions were to destroy the Kaaba. No one has beaten the high score.

  • Are Sharia councils failing vulnerable women? BBC documentary
     Reply #55 - April 23, 2013, 01:32 PM
    Quote from: Ishina on April 23, 2013, 01:19 PM
    "We have gender celebration" she said from under her burka, without a hint of irony.


     Cheesy Cheesy
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Are Sharia councils failing vulnerable women? BBC documentary
     Reply #56 - April 23, 2013, 01:33 PM
    Quote from: billy on April 23, 2013, 01:20 PM
    Thanks z10

    Watch it ASAP because sometimes the BBC is quick to get programmes taken down from youtube




    as soon as I get home from work - they took away our sound here!
    At evening, casual flocks of pigeons make
    Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
    Downward to darkness, on extended wings. - Stevens
  • Are Sharia councils failing vulnerable women? BBC documentary
     Reply #57 - April 23, 2013, 01:40 PM
    Quote from: z10 on April 23, 2013, 10:15 AM
    I've tried finding proxies for BBC before but not had any success. Help would be greatly appreciated!  yes


    These directions from a friend worked for me :

    Open a browser type in free proxies find one in uk type BBC iplayer in url tab in proxy chosen.
    Like a compass needle that points north, a man?s accusing finger always finds a woman. Always.

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  • Are Sharia councils failing vulnerable women? BBC documentary
     Reply #58 - April 23, 2013, 02:50 PM
    Just watching it and am getting extremely confused.  Why does anyone go near them?  They had one woman who was not even married under British law.  Why does she just not get on with her life?  She isn't married!
    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


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    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Are Sharia councils failing vulnerable women? BBC documentary
     Reply #59 - April 23, 2013, 02:54 PM
    Because they are coerced by family and community
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

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