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  • Are Sharia councils failing vulnerable women? BBC documentary
     OP - April 07, 2013, 12:26 AM


    BBC1 Monday night!


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    BBC Panorama has uncovered fresh evidence of how some Sharia councils in Britain may be putting Muslim women "at risk" by pressuring them to stay in abusive marriages.

    In a small terraced house in east London a woman and her husband argue before an Islamic scholar who sits on a dais above them in a room that looks and feels like a court.

    This is Leyton Islamic Sharia Council and Dr Suhaib Hasan will decide if the woman can have a divorce. Her husband is refusing to grant her one and the couple have been coming here for a year.

    She accuses him of refusing to work, ignoring the children and verbally abusing her. He vehemently denies it. When Dr Hasan orders the husband to leave the room, the woman breaks down in tears.

    "I hate him, I can't even bear to look at him, he has ruined my life," she sobbed.

    Dr Hasan sends the couple away for another month to try and save their marriage, with the help of Allah.

    With an Islamic marriage it is far easier for a man to divorce. The only way for women is through these councils.

    "We are not here just to issue divorces," said Dr Hasan.

    "We want to mediate first. We try to save marriages so when people come to us we try to reconcile them," he added.

    But Islamic rulings given here are not always in the interests of the women concerned and can run counter to British law.

    In Leeds I met Sonia, a woman who suffered extreme violence from her husband, who punched and kicked her and threw her down the stairs. He also hit their son. When Sonia got a civil divorce, the courts would only allow him indirect access to the children.

    Sharia courts are not allowed to interfere in child access matters but when Sonia went to Leyton Islamic Sharia Council for a Sharia divorce, they told her she would have to give the children up to her husband.

    "I couldn't bear the thought of such a violent person having my children," said Sonia.

    "What was shocking was when I explained to them why he shouldn't have that access to the children, their reaction was well you can't go against what Islam says," she added.



    He's not even allowed near my house and because I am frightened, I can't face him... but they didn't take any notice”

    Sonia stood her ground and eventually got Leyton Islamic Sharia Council to drop their demand.

    Leyton Islamic Sharia Council told BBC Panorama when a marriage ends the question of access to children for both parents is crucial. Safety is paramount they say and any UK court order must be followed.

    We had seen the public face of Leyton Sharia Council but we sent an undercover reporter to see what advice they would give a vulnerable female client. Her story was that her husband was hitting her.

    The government says domestic violence is a crime which should be reported to the police.

    But Dr Hasan told the undercover reporter: "The police that is the very, very last resort. If he becomes so aggressive, starts hitting you, punching you of course you have to report it to the police, that is not allowed."

    He went on to tell her that reporting the abuse to the police would be a final blow and she would have to leave the house and go to a refuge. He said that was a very "bad option".

    His wife, a counsellor at Leyton Islamic Sharia Council, also told the undercover reporter not to go to the police but to involve the family instead.

    'Dangerous'
    When Leyton Islamic Sharia Council were asked about the secret filming, they said it may be essential to involve the police and other authorities in cases of domestic violence but it can be a step with irrevocable consequences.

    We showed our secret footage from Leyton Islamic Sharia Council to Nazir Afzal, chief crown prosecutor for the North West.

    Mr Afzal, himself a Muslim, said: "I'm disappointed but not surprised. Most of them [Sharia councils] are fine but there are some clearly like this who are putting women at risk."

    He described what he had seen as "dangerous" because if people were deterred from seeking help they could suffer significant harm.


    Dewsbury Sharia Council encouraged Ayesha to have mediation with her violent husband
    I met another woman who had tried to get a divorce from a different Sharia council in Dewsbury, West Yorkshire.

    Ayesha's husband was in prison for violence but Dewsbury Sharia Council told her she would have to go to mediation with him.

    "I said I can't do that because he's not even allowed near my house and because I am frightened, I can't face him...but they didn't take any notice," she said.

    Eventually Dewsbury Sharia Council agreed to see her without her husband but she had to face five men alone without legal representation. It took her two years to get a Sharia divorce.

    Dewsbury Sharia Council said they could not comment on individual cases but they were aware of the standing and gravity of UK court orders and would never advise clients to breach them. They said they could arrange separate meetings on different days to avoid such breaches.

    The women I met say Sharia councils need to be held accountable and investigated, and although they eventually freed themselves from unhappy marriages there are other women in Britain condemned by religious councils to miserable lives.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22044724

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Are Sharia councils failing vulnerable women? BBC documentary
     Reply #1 - April 07, 2013, 01:26 AM

    Even after all these scandals the British government still refuses to ban sharia courts ??

    I think this article should be sent to the British Humanist Association as well as the Richard Dawkins Foundation for Reason and Science.

    Surely they can help to raise awareness about this.

    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • Are Sharia councils failing vulnerable women? BBC documentary
     Reply #2 - April 07, 2013, 03:24 AM

    If the British government were to close Shariah courts (which I think they should do!), British Muslims will carp and wail about how unfair it is that they can't have their courts whilst the Jews have their special courts.

    There is the possibility however that closing Shariah courts will only cause them to go underground.

    Atheism is a non-prophet organization.

    The sleeper has awakened -  Dune

    Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish!
  • Are Sharia councils failing vulnerable women? BBC documentary
     Reply #3 - April 07, 2013, 03:32 AM

    ^

    Then the U.K. government should start jailing anyone they find running an underground sharia court.

    The fear of spending a couple years in jail should be enough to scare the islamists.

    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • Are Sharia councils failing vulnerable women? BBC documentary
     Reply #4 - April 07, 2013, 08:29 PM

    If the British government were to close Shariah courts (which I think they should do!), British Muslims will carp and wail about how unfair it is that they can't have their courts whilst the Jews have their special courts.

    There is the possibility however that closing Shariah courts will only cause them to go underground.


    Take on the beth din courts too. Then we can take things forward equally. Let them go underground, we will find them, can't hide anymore.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Are Sharia councils failing vulnerable women? BBC documentary
     Reply #5 - April 07, 2013, 08:34 PM

    Quote
    Let them go underground, we will find them


    Yup. All it takes to find an underground sharia court is to send someone undercover just like the reporter did in the story.


    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • Are Sharia councils failing vulnerable women? BBC documentary
     Reply #6 - April 08, 2013, 12:28 PM

    how filthy is this suhaib hasan bloke. How can you protect wife beaters?

    what does Usama Hasan(he's son who is supposed to be on the anti-extremism bandwagon) make of this. Any condemnation from him?
  • Are Sharia councils failing vulnerable women? BBC documentary
     Reply #7 - April 08, 2013, 04:39 PM

    Why does anyone go near them?  If someone has been divorced under UK law or had clear custody rights, why are they involving these courts?  Their religious weddings are fictional, imaginary!

    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Are Sharia councils failing vulnerable women? BBC documentary
     Reply #8 - April 08, 2013, 05:33 PM

    broadcast postponed to make away for special programming following Thatcher's death

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Are Sharia councils failing vulnerable women? BBC documentary
     Reply #9 - April 08, 2013, 07:37 PM

    Will it get postponed 'indefinately'?
  • Are Sharia councils failing vulnerable women? BBC documentary
     Reply #10 - April 08, 2013, 07:45 PM

    No it'll be broadcast eventually - maybe not in the prime time slot it was going to be now, lets wait and see, the article is up online

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Are Sharia councils failing vulnerable women? BBC documentary
     Reply #11 - April 08, 2013, 08:15 PM

    If you're up at 04:30 tonight, for whatever reason, it'll be on then - BBC News 24

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01rxfjt/Panorama_Secrets_of_Britains_Sharia_Councils/
  • Are Sharia councils failing vulnerable women? BBC documentary
     Reply #12 - April 08, 2013, 08:33 PM

    Jesus......if that is the only broadcast it'll get I'll be dissapointed to say the least

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Are Sharia councils failing vulnerable women? BBC documentary
     Reply #13 - April 08, 2013, 08:38 PM

    Apologies, not tonight - Thursday morning.
  • Are Sharia councils failing vulnerable women? BBC documentary
     Reply #14 - April 08, 2013, 09:29 PM

    I'm curious to know how many women actual accept the  Sharia court's 'justice', or just eventually move onto the Uk courts instead.

    ***~Church is where bad people go to hide~***
  • Are Sharia councils failing vulnerable women? BBC documentary
     Reply #15 - April 10, 2013, 05:33 PM

    In a terraced house in East London, just a stone’s throw from the glittering stadiums of the Olympic Park, a handful of people wait in a small reception room. A young Asian woman and her mother hitch their scarves over their heads while a Somali couple stare at the floor.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/9975937/Inside-Britains-Sharia-courts.html


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Are Sharia councils failing vulnerable women? BBC documentary
     Reply #16 - April 10, 2013, 06:53 PM

    Shariah FAILS ALL WOMEN, PERIOD!  End of story!

    Do not go gentle into that good night.
    Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
  • Are Sharia councils failing vulnerable women? BBC documentary
     Reply #17 - April 12, 2013, 02:26 PM

    it's pretty simple.... allah intervened... he knew the program would make islam look as odious as it it, so he killed maggie....with him being omniscient and having a magic crystal ball he knew this would lead to the program being cancelled
  • Are Sharia councils failing vulnerable women? BBC documentary
     Reply #18 - April 12, 2013, 02:55 PM

    Apologies, not tonight - Thursday morning.


    Friday, and it's still not available. A good week to bury controversial programmes, perhaps, but then I will be cynical.
  • Are Sharia councils failing vulnerable women? BBC documentary
     Reply #19 - April 12, 2013, 03:12 PM

    Its been re-scheduled for April 22nd apparently


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Are Sharia councils failing vulnerable women? BBC documentary
     Reply #20 - April 12, 2013, 04:24 PM

    I just watched the clip. I know the story is focused on how the court fails to protect vulnerable women, but was anyone else struck by that man's utter contempt for women?

    The only thing we have to fear is fear itself
    - 32nd United States President Franklin D. Roosevelt
  • Are Sharia councils failing vulnerable women? BBC documentary
     Reply #21 - April 12, 2013, 05:40 PM

    The only reason why I wasn't struck by it is because it is standard

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Are Sharia councils failing vulnerable women? BBC documentary
     Reply #22 - April 12, 2013, 05:52 PM

    True, it is standard. But I'm still taken aback each time I see it manifest.

    The only thing we have to fear is fear itself
    - 32nd United States President Franklin D. Roosevelt
  • Are Sharia councils failing vulnerable women? BBC documentary
     Reply #23 - April 13, 2013, 04:11 AM

    Why do these women choose to be victims of this disgusting and depraved system? They're in the UK and have access to a legal system that more often than not works in their favour when it comes to divorce and child custody matters, so why must they go seek out this shari'ah nonsense when they can see its bad for them? 

    It's like a battered wife who has a great support network and excellent resources but yet still keeps going back for more. It's borderline masochistic. You can't save people from their own stupidity, I guess. 

    Even if official shari'ah courts are dispensed with, brainwashed Muslimahs who've implicitly accepted their own inferiority will go to imams to be granted divorces, and the treatment that'll be meted out to them in such settings is no different from what they'd get in an established shari'ah court. Banning shari'ah courts won't change much because Muslim women still need an imam or clergyman of some sort to grant them divorces so they'll go to their local imam or whoever married them rather than sticking with the UK courts. I can't see the crappy treatment of women under Islamic shari'ah being prevented or halted without a radical change within Islam so this abuse will continue, courts or no courts, until Islam accepts the validity of divorces granted by the state or women are given equal rights under the shari'ah system.

    The problem with the establishment of shari'ah courts is that it implies this nonsense is endorsed by the state in some way and that's wrong; the government should never have supported their establishment in the first place.
  • Are Sharia councils failing vulnerable women? BBC documentary
     Reply #24 - April 13, 2013, 10:01 AM

    Quote
    Why do these women choose to be victims of this disgusting and depraved system?


    They don't choose to, they are coerced to by family and community using religious guilt, and the shame / honour mechanisms that apply elsewhere in a Muslim woman's life


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Are Sharia councils failing vulnerable women? BBC documentary
     Reply #25 - April 13, 2013, 11:46 AM

    Quote
    The problem with the establishment of shari'ah courts is that it implies this nonsense is endorsed by the state in some way and that's wrong; the government should never have supported their establishment in the first place.


    And weirdly, they do not meet the basic standards of justice that I foolishly assumed were the basics of British, European and International law, like equality, natural justice..

    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Are Sharia councils failing vulnerable women? BBC documentary
     Reply #26 - April 22, 2013, 09:24 PM

    That was a great documentary - sharia law's misogyny devastatingly exposed in half an hour

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Are Sharia councils failing vulnerable women? BBC documentary
     Reply #27 - April 23, 2013, 12:39 AM

    I watched it too. Facepalmed at the end though when the women seem to be saying that the sharia councils were treating them badly because they were not following proper Islamic rules.
  • Are Sharia councils failing vulnerable women? BBC documentary
     Reply #28 - April 23, 2013, 12:56 AM

    Yeah, the level of denial is overwhelming, even after all that. They really believed it. Poor women, abused by religion, abused by their husbands, families and community

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Are Sharia councils failing vulnerable women? BBC documentary
     Reply #29 - April 23, 2013, 01:50 AM

    Hey, can any of you post a link to the documentary?  I really want to watch it and I'm outside the UK.

       thnkyu

    Atheism is a non-prophet organization.

    The sleeper has awakened -  Dune

    Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish!
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