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  • Question is it just me or is Muhammad worshipped just as much as Allah
     Reply #30 - April 09, 2013, 03:15 PM
    I probably missed it has the Kaaba have ever been analyzed scientifically? Like is it actually made from an outer space material or is it just some really shiny rock?
    ***~Church is where bad people go to hide~***
  • Question is it just me or is Muhammad worshipped just as much as Allah
     Reply #31 - April 09, 2013, 03:22 PM
    the Kaaba has been torn down and rebuilt several times, as far as I know the old stones and mortar all have been discarded, save the precious celestial clitoris, eh-hem, I mean, Black Stone.

    The only part of the Kaaba that anyone claims to be holy is THAT particular stone, and I have never heard of anyone knocking off a chunk to be tested for independent verification of it's meteorite status.  no.

    last time I heard they tested Zam Zam water independently though, it was full of Arsenic.  Cheers to all the Muslim cancer patients worldwide who eagerly await a bottle of it from returning relatives, after Hajj  cheers
    Do not go gentle into that good night.
    Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
  • Question is it just me or is Muhammad worshipped just as much as Allah
     Reply #32 - April 09, 2013, 03:58 PM
    We had a while thread about the black stone a few months back. It was really interesting. I can't remember the title though. Billy, Os, or Kutta might remember?
  • Question is it just me or is Muhammad worshipped just as much as Allah
     Reply #33 - April 09, 2013, 04:08 PM
    Scratching my head to remember...........
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Question is it just me or is Muhammad worshipped just as much as Allah
     Reply #34 - April 09, 2013, 04:15 PM
    Quote from: billy on April 09, 2013, 04:08 PM
    Scratching my head to remember...........


    Black Stone in the CEMB Town
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Question is it just me or is Muhammad worshipped just as much as Allah
     Reply #35 - April 09, 2013, 05:37 PM
    A Muslim friend gave me the strong impression that the kaaba is made of heavenly material, unknown to science, and therefore is like the koran, of god.
    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Question is it just me or is Muhammad worshipped just as much as Allah
     Reply #36 - April 09, 2013, 05:59 PM
    Yeah, it was called black stone, lol. http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=23335.0
  • Question is it just me or is Muhammad worshipped just as much as Allah
     Reply #37 - April 09, 2013, 06:22 PM
    Well it can't be that special is scientist from all over the world aren't flocking to study it. If you want a really bizarre rock that fascinates many people from around the world, try Stonehenge. 
    ***~Church is where bad people go to hide~***
  • Question is it just me or is Muhammad worshipped just as much as Allah
     Reply #38 - April 09, 2013, 08:37 PM
    or Easter Island.
    Do not go gentle into that good night.
    Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
  • Question is it just me or is Muhammad worshipped just as much as Allah
     Reply #39 - April 09, 2013, 08:38 PM
    or Chaco Canyon, lots of celestial alignments in that place....just discovered recently
    Do not go gentle into that good night.
    Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
  • Question is it just me or is Muhammad worshipped just as much as Allah
     Reply #40 - April 09, 2013, 08:45 PM
    Quote from: kutta on April 09, 2013, 01:56 PM
    A higher degree of emotional reaction does not necessarily equal to a higher degree of worship though. From a muslim's perspective, Mohammad is not a deity.

    I have a "higher degree of emotional reaction" when I stub my toe. We're not talking about a higher degree of emotional reaction. We're talking about mass devotion to a miracle-working mythical figure and the fetishisation of his reputation.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Question is it just me or is Muhammad worshipped just as much as Allah
     Reply #41 - April 09, 2013, 08:46 PM
    Quote from: moi on April 09, 2013, 05:37 PM
    A Muslim friend gave me the strong impression that the kaaba is made of heavenly material, unknown to science, and therefore is like the koran, of god.

    off course it is made up of heavenly material .. off course we don't know its  complete detailed  origins..

    But what is NOT heavenly material? Everything is heavenly material.. Damn dog.. I got to carry its poop in the bag.. well that is also heavenly material.. With all the physics/chemistry/biology I was  taught I must say I really don't know the exact unquestionable origins of my dog poop.   Stupid dog....  We got to teach the dogs not to poop on the  road..


    Fools....
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Question is it just me or is Muhammad worshipped just as much as Allah
     Reply #42 - April 09, 2013, 09:23 PM
    The Kaa’bah is a very earthly building. It has been rebuilt numerous times. It’s current rendition is from1995. It is made of natural, local rock from the hills of Makkah on the outside (which have been perfectly crafted into symmetrical blocks.) On the inside, it is clad in fine marble, silk curtains, and supported by wooden pillars.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxmRXMZEeDc&feature=youtube_gdata_player
  • Question is it just me or is Muhammad worshipped just as much as Allah
     Reply #43 - April 09, 2013, 09:30 PM
     Black Stone of Mecca and its possible origins
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Question is it just me or is Muhammad worshipped just as much as Allah
     Reply #44 - April 10, 2013, 10:53 AM
    Quote from: happymurtad on April 09, 2013, 02:00 PM
    Muslims saying they don't worship Muhammad is like a crackhead saying he doesn't have an addiction.


     Afro
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Question is it just me or is Muhammad worshipped just as much as Allah
     Reply #45 - April 10, 2013, 11:12 AM
    I remember talking about the excessive adoration for Muhammad with my local imam when I was still a believer. From his perspective, no matter how much he cried and begged Muhammad for divine intervention it was never worship because he always treated Muhammad as part of the created world.
    I believe the analogy he used was of a roof. If I was to hang a clock higher and higher up my wall until it touched the roof then perhaps we can talk about equating their height but if the roof is believed to be infinitely high then it doesn't matter how high you hang your clock, it will still be of lesser value than the roof.
    And so it goes with Muhammad, you can praise and adore him all you want as long as you primarily hold that God cannot be equalled.
    At evening, casual flocks of pigeons make
    Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
    Downward to darkness, on extended wings. - Stevens
  • Question is it just me or is Muhammad worshipped just as much as Allah
     Reply #46 - April 10, 2013, 01:17 PM
    Quote from: Ishina on April 09, 2013, 08:45 PM
    I have a "higher degree of emotional reaction" when I stub my toe. We're not talking about a higher degree of emotional reaction. We're talking about mass devotion to a miracle-working mythical figure and the fetishisation of his reputation.


    Sorry poor word choice on my part. I meant to use the word devotion. Regardless, I am just trying to be fair. I agree that his reputation is exaggerated and that people are devoted to him. From their perspective though, they are still not worshipping him as a deity. If you want to interpret the definition of worship as a form of devotion or respect, then sure.
  • Question is it just me or is Muhammad worshipped just as much as Allah
     Reply #47 - April 10, 2013, 04:54 PM
    Worship: reverence offered a divine being or supernatural power; also : an act of expressing such reverence
    : a form of religious practice with its creed and ritual
    : extravagant respect or admiration for or devotion to an object of esteem <worship of the dollar>
  • Question is it just me or is Muhammad worshipped just as much as Allah
     Reply #48 - April 10, 2013, 05:27 PM
    i heard that the black stone was actually a meteorite (or impactite, created by the impact and heat of a meteorite). It also happens to be a yoni (symbolic vagina), which is why the pagans were interested in it in the first place. Maybe some kind of fertility symbol


  • Question is it just me or is Muhammad worshipped just as much as Allah
     Reply #49 - April 10, 2013, 06:06 PM
    Quote from: happymurtad on April 10, 2013, 04:54 PM
    Worship: reverence offered a divine being or supernatural power; also : an act of expressing such reverence
    : a form of religious practice with its creed and ritual
    : extravagant respect or admiration for or devotion to an object of esteem <worship of the dollar>



    Yeah i guess I was just talking about the #1. definition. lol.
  • Question is it just me or is Muhammad worshipped just as much as Allah
     Reply #50 - April 10, 2013, 06:50 PM
    I am dying to hear an "official explanation" behind the shaping of the black stone into a sculpture that so obviously represents the female genitalia. 

    If anyone finds it, I will give them a cookie. Smiley
    Do not go gentle into that good night.
    Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
  • Question is it just me or is Muhammad worshipped just as much as Allah
     Reply #51 - April 10, 2013, 08:43 PM


    Looks like a shark to me..the pointy head and all that
    Quote from: ZooBear 

    • Surah Al-Fil: In an epic game of Angry Birds, Allah uses birds (that drop pebbles) to destroy an army riding elephants whose intentions were to destroy the Kaaba. No one has beaten the high score.

  • Question is it just me or is Muhammad worshipped just as much as Allah
     Reply #52 - April 10, 2013, 10:40 PM
    Quote from: z10 on April 10, 2013, 11:12 AM
    I remember talking about the excessive adoration for Muhammad with my local imam when I was still a believer. From his perspective, no matter how much he cried and begged Muhammad for divine intervention it was never worship because he always treated Muhammad as part of the created world.
    I believe the analogy he used was of a roof. If I was to hang a clock higher and higher up my wall until it touched the roof then perhaps we can talk about equating their height but if the roof is believed to be infinitely high then it doesn't matter how high you hang your clock, it will still be of lesser value than the roof.
    And so it goes with Muhammad, you can praise and adore him all you want as long as you primarily hold that God cannot be equalled.


    A clock and a roof serve different functions. If he's comparing Allah with the roof and Muhammad with the clock. , the one with the most purpose should be given the most attention, not how high it is on the fucking wall.
    ***~Church is where bad people go to hide~***
  • Question is it just me or is Muhammad worshipped just as much as Allah
     Reply #53 - April 10, 2013, 10:45 PM
    Okay this is really interesting...."Mecca Black Stone is Women Vagina"

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUC9MvjSo7Y
    Do not go gentle into that good night.
    Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
  • Question is it just me or is Muhammad worshipped just as much as Allah
     Reply #54 - April 10, 2013, 10:52 PM
    alrighty, and here is part two.  Am I listening to it as I am posting it.  VERY GOOD!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mg6RNz7Wmb4
    Do not go gentle into that good night.
    Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
  • Question is it just me or is Muhammad worshipped just as much as Allah
     Reply #55 - April 10, 2013, 11:13 PM
    wow, just finished both videos.  the narrator made good points. overall he points out and attempts to prove that the modern hajj is basically what the meccan pagans use to do for their hajj but without the nudity and sex. 

    I still want to find out who designed the casing of the Black Stone though.  There has GOT to be someone who has an explanation behind it's design.
    Do not go gentle into that good night.
    Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
  • Question is it just me or is Muhammad worshipped just as much as Allah
     Reply #56 - April 11, 2013, 12:55 AM
    Well it's official Islam is the vagina religion. Plays an important part in life and the after life.
    ***~Church is where bad people go to hide~***
  • Question is it just me or is Muhammad worshipped just as much as Allah
     Reply #57 - April 11, 2013, 09:18 AM
    The Sunni answer would be Abu Bakr went to the Masjidu-n-Nabiy and shouted to the people:
       If any of you worship Muhammad, you should know that Muhammad is dead. But those of you who worship Allah(swt) (God), let it be known that Allah(swt) (God) is alive and cannot die.

    It's Shia who worship Muhammad and Imams they are like the Catholic's in christan terms with their saints and stuff


  • Question is it just me or is Muhammad worshipped just as much as Allah
     Reply #58 - April 11, 2013, 09:28 AM
    Shias talk so much about ahlul bayt that you can forget there is even a Mo sometimes.
    Quote from: ZooBear 

    • Surah Al-Fil: In an epic game of Angry Birds, Allah uses birds (that drop pebbles) to destroy an army riding elephants whose intentions were to destroy the Kaaba. No one has beaten the high score.

  • Question is it just me or is Muhammad worshipped just as much as Allah
     Reply #59 - April 14, 2013, 01:43 AM
    Watch this video - its 12 minutes

    An exhibition in Birmingham organised by the 'Know Muhammad' people

    What is this but idol worship? Watch it all the way through - massive da'wah campaign organised by these people:

    http://www.knowmuhammad.co.uk/

    Who look very iERA like and include Hizb ut Tahrir leader Taji Mustafa in their promos

    Anyway, seriously, just watch and see, they use all the stuff about multiculturalism, tolerance etc to make da'wah

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9xyY95-87E

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

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