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     Reply #30 - April 09, 2013, 11:48 PM
    In the present world, I don't think there is any one on this earth who is NOT politically active.. even high schools kid are politically active...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=7r7PhtWKSvA

    that is from Holland..  Kids in Holland .. born and brought up in Holland....
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Political views
     Reply #31 - April 10, 2013, 12:00 AM
    Yeezeevee rallies the faithful.

  • Political views
     Reply #32 - April 10, 2013, 12:37 AM
    Quote from: David on April 10, 2013, 12:00 AM
    Yeezeevee rallies the faithful.

    (Clicky for piccy!)

    that is true David..  here is one  of yeezevee's faithful..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twbiD8INuM4

    I would suggest to repubs of Amrika to put this guy out of his misery, other wise he will put republican  party to sleep.. and people will be saying RIP US of A republican party....the Abraham Lincoln Party
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Political views
     Reply #33 - April 10, 2013, 01:11 AM
    Quote from: Ishina on April 09, 2013, 11:34 PM
    Well I've heard of slacktivism, but being mentally active takes "I'm politically active" to new levels of redundancy.

    There are different definitions of being an activist for different contexts. I am not embracing slacktivism. All I am saying is that a person who is not at least politically aware is passively maintaining the status quo.
  • Political views
     Reply #34 - April 10, 2013, 03:36 AM
    Quote from: Cato on April 09, 2013, 02:06 PM
    Does it really matter for one to have that?

    If its yes, why?

    Greens volunteer here (ewwww I know). It's important to me - even though all I do is post pamphlets and donate. I'm not the loud politician type but I'm happy to lend a hand now and then. They are the first party I felt. I'm starting to worry about the environment and these big companies ruining this state. Umm I dunno if anyone here knows but these big companies are also buying TV and politics here (Gina Rinehart bought like 10% of one of the channels and Clive Palmer got into politics) and I find that scary that they can control the discourse that way. No idea what to do so I help out the greens.
    Quote from: ZooBear 

    • Surah Al-Fil: In an epic game of Angry Birds, Allah uses birds (that drop pebbles) to destroy an army riding elephants whose intentions were to destroy the Kaaba. No one has beaten the high score.

  • Political views
     Reply #35 - April 10, 2013, 06:41 AM
    Quote from: Abood on April 10, 2013, 01:11 AM
    There are different definitions of being an activist for different contexts. I am not embracing slacktivism. All I am saying is that a person who is not at least politically aware is passively maintaining the status quo.

    Yes, I am aware of your conclusion, but you have yet to unpack the logic so that other people can arrive at it.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Political views
     Reply #36 - April 10, 2013, 06:58 AM
    Quote from: Abood on April 09, 2013, 02:44 PM
    We all have political views. If you're not active about them, you're passively supporting the status quo and are therefore a conservative.

    C'mon Abood, there is such thing as being apolitical and not giving a shit either way.
  • Political views
     Reply #37 - April 10, 2013, 07:02 AM
    Aboodylicious has spoken. There is no other way. cool2
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  • Political views
     Reply #38 - April 10, 2013, 07:05 AM
    Quote from: Cato on April 09, 2013, 02:06 PM
    Does it really matter for one to have that?

    If its yes, why?

    Hmm. Interesting question. I'm not sure. I'd imagine most people who participate in a forum like this have *some* political views.
  • Political views
     Reply #39 - April 10, 2013, 07:06 AM
    Hey logic: if not doing anything means you're passively supporting the status quo, by the same logic it could also mean you are passively supporting The Glorious Revolution innit. dance
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  • Political views
     Reply #40 - April 10, 2013, 07:06 AM
    Quote from: osmanthus on April 10, 2013, 07:02 AM
    Aboodylicious has spoken. There is no other way. cool2

    Aboodylicious Cheesy wth Oz?
  • Political views
     Reply #41 - April 10, 2013, 07:07 AM
    I think allat explained it best. Politics is not just public policy; it's human relations. No one is not involved in politics, unless someone is not a member of society.

    As I have said, some people have a very narrow definition of politics.

    I don't really know what else to say.
  • Political views
     Reply #42 - April 10, 2013, 07:07 AM
    Well I thought I should objectify a male for a change. Get some balance in the forum's degradation of sentient life forms y'know.
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  • Political views
     Reply #43 - April 10, 2013, 07:09 AM
    Quote from: osmanthus on April 10, 2013, 07:06 AM
    Hey logic: if not doing anything means you're passively supporting the status quo...

    See, that's where people aren't getting it. No one is "not doing anything". We are all acting, in this society. We all participate and engage in it. We buy products, we relate to each other, we treat each other differently, etc. In such a way, we are politically engaged. Again, I am not talking about being involved in public policy. That is only a very small part of politics.
  • Political views
     Reply #44 - April 10, 2013, 07:10 AM
    From Wikipedia:
    Quote
    Politics... is the art or science of influencing people on a civic, or individual level, when there are more than 2 people involved.


  • Political views
     Reply #45 - April 10, 2013, 07:12 AM
    Yes I know, but your logic here seemed a bit iffy:

    Quote from: Abood on April 09, 2013, 02:44 PM
    We all have political views. If you're not active about them, you're passively supporting the status quo and are therefore a conservative.

    Like I said, that same logic could be used to claim that someone who wasn't active was passively supporting radical change, and was therefore a revolutionary.
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  • Political views
     Reply #46 - April 10, 2013, 07:14 AM
    Being passive causes no change. No change is the politics of conservatism.

    Please, enlighten me as to how that can be turned around.
  • Political views
     Reply #47 - April 10, 2013, 07:16 AM
    You saying it's impossible to passively support something that's not part of the status quo?
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  • Political views
     Reply #48 - April 10, 2013, 07:21 AM
    By not saying or doing anything about it, that would mean that yes you are passively supporting the status quo.

    E.g. if you are for gay rights and yet you say nothing when people around you use the word gay as a derogatory term, and you say nothing when someone says that gay people are just sick, and you do nothing to show that you are for the equal rights of gay people, you are, in your passivity, in your silence, allowing homophobia to go unchallenged around you. Hence that is essentially passive conservatism, not in the sense that you are actively trying to keep the status quo going, but because you are not saying or doing anything at all to change the status quo.

    It's kind of like Newton's 1st law of motion - without resistance, things will continue in the direction they're going. If you choose to act in any way to resist that trajectory, you are already not being passive in your politics anymore.
    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Political views
     Reply #49 - April 10, 2013, 07:23 AM
    Quote from: Abood on April 10, 2013, 07:14 AM
    Being passive causes no change. No change is the politics of conservatism.

    Oh, I thought you meant actual political conservatism; the "conservatism" everyone else apart from you was talking about and what everyone else means when they say conservatism in a political context. I didn't realise you meant just conserved stasis, whatever that stasis may be.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Political views
     Reply #50 - April 10, 2013, 07:25 AM
    Quote from: Ishina on April 10, 2013, 07:23 AM
    Oh, I thought you meant actual political conservatism; the "conservatism" everyone else apart from you was talking about and what everyone else means when they say conservatism in a political context. I didn't realise you meant just conserved stasis, whatever that stasis may be.

    You're confusing big-C with little-c conservatism.

    Big-C conservatism is supporting a Conservative party. Little-c conservatism is maintaining the status quo. The two tend to be related, but they are not quite synonymous.
  • Political views
     Reply #51 - April 10, 2013, 07:26 AM
    Quote from: allat on April 10, 2013, 07:21 AM
    By not saying or doing anything about it, that would mean that yes you are passively supporting the status quo.

    E.g. if you are for gay rights and yet you say nothing when people around you use the word gay as a derogatory term, and you say nothing when someone says that gay people are just sick, and you do nothing to show that you are for the equal rights of gay people, you are, in your passivity, in your silence, allowing homophobia to go unchallenged around you. Hence that is essentially passive conservatism, not in the sense that you are actively trying to keep the status quo going, but because you are not saying or doing anything at all to change the status quo.

    It's kind of like Newton's 1st law of motion - without resistance, things will continue in the direction they're going. If you choose to act in any way to resist that trajectory, you are already not being passive in your politics anymore.

    Holy fuck. Thank you.
  • Political views
     Reply #52 - April 10, 2013, 07:28 AM
    Quote from: allat on April 10, 2013, 07:21 AM
    By not saying or doing anything about it, that would mean that yes you are passively supporting the status quo.

    E.g. if you are for gay rights and yet you say nothing when people around you use the word gay as a derogatory term, and you say nothing when someone says that gay people are just sick, and you do nothing to show that you are for the equal rights of gay people, you are, in your passivity, in your silence, allowing homophobia to go unchallenged around you. Hence that is essentially passive conservatism, not in the sense that you are actively trying to keep the status quo going, but because you are not saying or doing anything at all to change the status quo.

    It's kind of like Newton's 1st law of motion - without resistance, things will continue in the direction they're going. If you choose to act in any way to resist that trajectory, you are already not being passive in your politics anymore.

    What Ishina said. There's conservatism as it is usually understood, and there's what you're talking about. A person may support change in principle, yet still not act (for a variety of possible reasons).
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  • Political views
     Reply #53 - April 10, 2013, 07:29 AM
    Quote from: Abood on April 10, 2013, 07:26 AM
    Holy fuck. Thank you.

    You're welcome. I think everybody already knew that stuff anyway. Tongue
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  • Political views
     Reply #54 - April 10, 2013, 07:29 AM
    Quote from: Abood on April 10, 2013, 07:25 AM
    You're confusing big-C with little-c conservatism.

    Big-C conservatism is supporting a Conservative party. Little-c conservatism is maintaining the status quo. The two tend to be related, but they are not quite synonymous.

    Well it may be a good plan to define your shit at the start. grin12
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  • Political views
     Reply #55 - April 10, 2013, 07:31 AM
    Quote from: osmanthus on April 10, 2013, 07:28 AM
    What Ishina said. There's conservatism as it is usually understood, and there's what you're talking about. A person may support change in principle, yet still not act (for a variety of possible reasons).

    ...and therefore they are not supporting change in practice, and thus they are, in practice, maintaining the status quo.

     wacko
  • Political views
     Reply #56 - April 10, 2013, 07:35 AM
    Quote from: allat on April 10, 2013, 07:21 AM
    By not saying or doing anything about it, that would mean that yes you are passively supporting the status quo.

    Then you need to be clearer what you mean. Some single mum with two kids and debt up to her eyeballs is not magically a proponent of conservative politics just because she has more pressing issues than politics.

    What does "passive support" even look like? "Support" as a word carries meaningful connotation, not least of which is the implied active effort or approval.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Political views
     Reply #57 - April 10, 2013, 07:35 AM
    @Boody: Yesssssssssssssssssssssssssss

    butttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt

    they may not actually support the status quo. They may be opposed to it. IOW, lack of political action does not equate to the person in question being a conservative. That's a bogus conclusion. If you want to use it as a rhetorical device without worrying about being strictly correct that's one thing, but you cannot seriously claim that a person's inner convictions are only decided by their actions.

    Sure, you might be able to go on about their ineffectiveness or hypocrisy in some circumstances, but this has nothing to do with whether they themselves are actually of a conservative nature.
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  • Political views
     Reply #58 - April 10, 2013, 07:36 AM
    Quote from: Abood on April 10, 2013, 07:25 AM
    You're confusing big-C with little-c conservatism.

    Big-C conservatism is supporting a Conservative party. Little-c conservatism is maintaining the status quo. The two tend to be related, but they are not quite synonymous.

    You'll have to forgive me for confusing things, since you appear to be flip-flopping between both when it suits you. Initially it was conservative political views, which implies more than just not partaking in political endeavors.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Political views
     Reply #59 - April 10, 2013, 07:41 AM
    Boody: take the old South African regime for an example. By your definition, the majority of black people in South Africa under the apartheid regime were conservatives who supported the status quo. Does this sound plausible?

    ETA: And you could take slavery in the US as a second example. Food for thought?
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