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  • How readily did you move onto non-halal meat and alcohol?
     OP - April 30, 2013, 09:33 PM
    Sorry if this thread has been done but I'm curious. For me, it took a while to break down such strong barriers which had been in place for many years. I do now eat non-halal meat. It's so much more convenient for me. However I haven't touched pork nor do I ever think I will. Alcohol is a bit different for me. I touched the stuff as a muslim and felt really guilty about it. I don't drink excessively now but I don't have that guilt now. It's more of a choice, I can drink that if I want to and this feels somewhat liberating and the fact that I do now drink tells me that I have indeed let go of this part of my past and that apostatizing doesn't feel so surreal anymore.

    EDIT: Please move if it's in the wrong forum. I couldn't find a more appropriate one? and this counts as an outlook I guess
  • How readily did you move onto non-halal meat and alcohol?
     Reply #1 - April 30, 2013, 10:13 PM
    I broke both those rules while I still considered myself a Muslim.

    Basically, I went through a really long period of Islam was revealed in the context for its day. This was the only way I could reconcile Islam with my morality, especially when looking at the Koran and Hadith in detail.

    By the time I was in my 20s, I would drink without feeling guilty.
    Pork... truth be told, I probably felt more social guilt than personal guilt. So, I avoided it for a while. For whatever social reason, many of the Muslims where I grew up would drink, but none would eat pork. But once I was past 20, I didn't feel much actual guilt for eating pork.  I tended not to do it to not look bad, but if there was a pepperoni pizza, I'd just eat it.

    I think because I grew up without pork, I don't really like it... and so if there are other options, I generally choose them.
    Though, I still enjoy a breakfast sausage.

    Giving up Islam though definitely feels freer. But yes, I remember my struggles as a young Muslim with alcohol and pork. The guilt I felt in my later teens and early 20s.

  • How readily did you move onto non-halal meat and alcohol?
     Reply #2 - April 30, 2013, 11:35 PM
    Quote from: Nullstellen on April 30, 2013, 09:33 PM
    Sorry if this thread has been done but I'm curious. For me, it took a while to break down such strong barriers which had been in place for many years. I do now eat non-halal meat. It's so much more convenient for me. However I haven't touched pork nor do I ever think I will. Alcohol is a bit different for me. I touched the stuff as a muslim and felt really guilty about it. I don't drink excessively now but I don't have that guilt now. It's more of a choice, I can drink that if I want to and this feels somewhat liberating and the fact that I do now drink tells me that I have indeed let go of this part of my past and that apostatizing doesn't feel so surreal anymore.

    EDIT: Please move if it's in the wrong forum. I couldn't find a more appropriate one? and this counts as an outlook I guess


    Bacon. How can anyone refuse good quality dry cured bacon?
    Especially smoked.
    In a sandwich with thick-sliced granary bread.
    With lettuce, slices of tomato and mayonnaise.

    Hang on. I'll be be off-line for a little while.
  • How readily did you move onto non-halal meat and alcohol?
     Reply #3 - April 30, 2013, 11:39 PM
    Too salty.
    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

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  • How readily did you move onto non-halal meat and alcohol?
     Reply #4 - April 30, 2013, 11:44 PM
    Bacon is good. The only time I don’t like it is if it is when I am craving something that tastes good on its own and the bacon just ends up overpowering it.

  • How readily did you move onto non-halal meat and alcohol?
     Reply #5 - May 01, 2013, 01:15 AM
    I was Shia, and we ate gelatine while my sunni friends were so careful, checking ingredient by ingredient. First our scholars said that normal gelatine is halal, and then they said even meat gelatine is halal after it becomes processed. So by the end,  was buying starburst gummy stuff while my friends were like :O What you doing bro! lol. But I considered those halal so...Alcohol was TOTOALLY off limits for me because I was taught it was bad by the effects it has. I had never even smelt it. I saw it as something really unhealthy, and still do. Don't see myself ever being a drinker but I want to know what being drunk feels like.

    After a year or so of thinking there is no god and with strong influence from someone, I bought a couple of pork products. It satisfied my curiosity so I wont go out of my way until there is something I actually wanna try.

    Alcohol, much later, I really wanted to try, so I ended up trying it in foods first, then I bought 5 flavours of absolut vodka and mixed my own drinks and realised I love the vanilla one. I hated the alcohol in tiramissu though. I'm still curious to try stuff and see if there's anything else I might like Smiley
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  • How readily did you move onto non-halal meat and alcohol?
     Reply #6 - May 01, 2013, 06:30 AM
    I remember the first time I had a drink I went out with friends, one of whom I used to work with.   Really nice guy, anyways, I had told him I was questioning and I remember when we all ordered and the lady asked if we wanted anything to drink it just came out vodka coke.     I remember the look of surprise on his face, and us laughing.  I just wish I coulda gone for the bbq pork that Brazilian joint knows how to cook em, alas it was 2 weeks before I got that in my system mmmmmmm.

    Oh my Christopher Hitchens its a fihrrrrrrrrrrrr
  • How readily did you move onto non-halal meat and alcohol?
     Reply #7 - May 01, 2013, 06:36 AM
    Nigel Slater has a wondrous bacon and banana sandwich, with lettuce, tomato and mango chutney.

    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • How readily did you move onto non-halal meat and alcohol?
     Reply #8 - May 01, 2013, 06:38 AM
    I wonder if an introduction via the very best will help?  Really good madiera, syrah, welsh whisky, the very best italian ham?
    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • How readily did you move onto non-halal meat and alcohol?
     Reply #9 - May 01, 2013, 11:27 AM
    The alcohol thing must be difficult. For me, it isn't a case of using it as a drug in order to get drunk. I like wine with a meal or a good quality beer in the evening. I wouldn't use a £45.00 bottle of Whisky to get me drunk, I'd have one glass and savour it.
    Some of the drinks mentioned in the thread are kind of mass produced industrial products. The only real purpose of them is obliteration.
    I'd agree, if you're going to try, try the good stuff.
  • How readily did you move onto non-halal meat and alcohol?
     Reply #10 - May 01, 2013, 12:12 PM
    I'm in the process of becoming a vegetarian. I have always found it difficult to eat red meat, especially pork. It is scientifically proven that there is nothing wrong with eating pork, but still muslims are not convinced. The letter of the quran weights heavier than science.

    Alcohol has never been a problem. I like to drink wine. I have never understood the argument against drinking alcohol. Alcohol is beneficial when it is consumed with care especially red wine.
    I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings.
    ― Albert Einstein
  • How readily did you move onto non-halal meat and alcohol?
     Reply #11 - July 05, 2013, 01:40 AM
    I ate non halal meat days or a week after I left Islam.

    That feeling when you don't have to worry about whether that restaurant or candy is halal before eating it.

    Feels. So. Liberating.

    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • How readily did you move onto non-halal meat and alcohol?
     Reply #12 - July 05, 2013, 01:44 AM
    Quote from: happymurtad on April 30, 2013, 11:44 PM
    Bacon is good. The only time I don’t like it is if it is when I am craving something that tastes good on its own and the bacon just ends up overpowering it. 

     

    Unlike chicken and beef I feel pork tastes either really good or really bad.

    If I'm gonna eat pork I'll only go to the awesome sandwich shop I found that prepares the meat fresh or I won't eat it at all. 


    BTW what type pork have you tried?  So far I've tried bacon strips(don't like so much) and a grilled pulled pork sandwich(love at first bite)

    Planning on trying pork belly sandwich next..

    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • Re: How readily did you move onto non-halal meat and alcohol?
     Reply #13 - July 05, 2013, 02:25 AM
    Quote from: Artemis on May 01, 2013, 12:38 PM
    I had alcohol as soon as I had the opportunity to get my hands on some, I love Morgan cola mmm  :yummy


    am I the only ex-muslim who'll gladly get smashed on absinthe? Or ouzo. mmm.
  • How readily did you move onto non-halal meat and alcohol?
     Reply #14 - July 05, 2013, 02:32 PM
    I'm probably never going to eat pig meat.
  • How readily did you move onto non-halal meat and alcohol?
     Reply #15 - July 05, 2013, 10:08 PM
    ^

    There are many different ways "pig meat" can be prepared. 

    Bacon Strips, Ham, Pulled pork, Pork belly.


    Based on my experience I recommend eating a pulled pork burger from a place that specializes in sandwiches.

    If prepared right pork tastes really good. Don't let just one experience shape your entire views on this lovely meat    piggy
    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • How readily did you move onto non-halal meat and alcohol?
     Reply #16 - July 06, 2013, 01:36 PM
    About 1-2 years, with non-halal meat first then alcohol at university.
    "If a monster existed, it was buried deep within."
  • How readily did you move onto non-halal meat and alcohol?
     Reply #17 - July 06, 2013, 04:27 PM
    Quote from: schizo on July 05, 2013, 02:25 AM
    am I the only ex-muslim who'll gladly get smashed on absinthe?

    No. But I lose time when I drink absinth.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • How readily did you move onto non-halal meat and alcohol?
     Reply #18 - July 06, 2013, 05:04 PM
    Nigel Slater has a wondrous recipe for a Bacon and Banana sandwich.
    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Re: How readily did you move onto non-halal meat and alcohol?
     Reply #19 - July 07, 2013, 06:16 AM
    Quote from: Ishina on July 06, 2013, 04:27 PM
    No. But I lose time when I drink absinth.


    Low threshold indeed, but I generally drink alone (unless I'm at a rave or club) at which point an empty wallet is more of a worry than losing time.
  • How readily did you move onto non-halal meat and alcohol?
     Reply #20 - July 07, 2013, 09:20 PM
    I eat non-halal meat now but only had bacon a couple of months ago in a chicken and bacon sandwich and I didn't really like it :/ still haven't tried alcohol yet but I want to.
    free |frē| - Not under the control or in the power of another; able to act or be done as one wishes.
  • How readily did you move onto non-halal meat and alcohol?
     Reply #21 - July 09, 2013, 12:17 PM
    Quote from: schizo on July 07, 2013, 06:16 AM
    Low threshold indeed, but I generally drink alone (unless I'm at a rave or club) at which point an empty wallet is more of a worry than losing time.


    Same.  Started with clubs but got bored of them eventually, usually drink alone.

    Wanna share?

    http://www.thewhiskyexchange.com/P-163.aspx



     cheers
    "If a monster existed, it was buried deep within."
  • How readily did you move onto non-halal meat and alcohol?
     Reply #22 - July 10, 2013, 11:08 AM
    I'm underage and I can't drink. I've tried beer, it tasted horrible. No thank you. I'll drink good liquor when I'm of age. I was always eating haram food, but with a guilty conscience. I now eat whatever I want without feel guilty. Yay!   dance
    Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.~Albert Einstein

    Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly, while bad people will find a way around the laws. ~Plato
  • How readily did you move onto non-halal meat and alcohol?
     Reply #23 - July 10, 2013, 01:56 PM
    Quote from: Final Fantasy on July 09, 2013, 12:17 PM
    Same.  Started with clubs but got bored of them eventually, usually drink alone.

    Wanna share?

     

    I've heard that absinthe tastes horrible and the main purpose of it is to get you drunk quickly (due to the high alcohol content)





    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • How readily did you move onto non-halal meat and alcohol?
     Reply #24 - July 10, 2013, 02:50 PM
    Quote from: schizo on July 07, 2013, 06:16 AM
    Low threshold indeed, but I generally drink alone (unless I'm at a rave or club) at which point an empty wallet is more of a worry than losing time.

    It seems peculiar to absinthe. I can drink Jack all night, but a couple of absinthes and it's over. K.O.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • How readily did you move onto non-halal meat and alcohol?
     Reply #25 - July 10, 2013, 03:36 PM
    Quote from: ILuvChocolate on July 10, 2013, 11:08 AM
    I'm underage and I can't drink. I've tried beer, it tasted horrible. No thank you. I'll drink good liquor when I'm of age. I was always eating haram food, but with a guilty conscience. I now eat whatever I want without feel guilty. Yay!   dance


    That's what I used to think about beer when I first tried it.

    No, you haven't tried beer.  You can only say that once you've sampled at least 100 different types of beer  (lager, ale, stout, bitter etc.) of various brewers and not just the cheap and nasty ones mass-produced.

    Start with cider and work from there.
    "If a monster existed, it was buried deep within."
  • How readily did you move onto non-halal meat and alcohol?
     Reply #26 - July 11, 2013, 03:03 PM
    If God didn't want people to eat pigs, why did he make them taste like pork?
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • How readily did you move onto non-halal meat and alcohol?
     Reply #27 - July 11, 2013, 05:24 PM
    I'm a straight edge, so I don't consume alcohol, drugs, cigarettes and stuff. But I really curious about porks and ham. How do they taste? I havent tasted them yet  dance
  • How readily did you move onto non-halal meat and alcohol?
     Reply #28 - July 11, 2013, 05:25 PM
    Taste like humans, so if you want to know, I suggest cooking a friend.   dance
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • How readily did you move onto non-halal meat and alcohol?
     Reply #29 - July 11, 2013, 06:53 PM
    Haha.. I'm sure Porks must be taste better than humans. Haha
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