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  • Leaving Islam is not a Human Right
     OP - June 16, 2013, 10:38 AM


    From a Malaysian government website

    Its revealing because its so unapologetic.

    And it isn't ashamed of what its saying.

    And really it just states what the mainstream view of Islam is.

    ++++++++

    APOSTASY IS NOT HUMAN RIGHTS

    Mohd Aizam Mas‟od

    Aqidah Division

    JAKIM Research Department

    Malaysia is an Islamic Country. Article 3(1) of the Federal Constitution states that
    Islam is the religion of the Federation; but other religions may be practised in
    peace and harmony in any part of the Federation. While Article 11 of the
    Constitution states, “Every person has the rights to profess and practice his
    religion and, subject to Clause (4), to propagate it.” It is clear from these provisions
    that Muslims have the rights to profess and practice Islam as their way of life.
    Clause (4) states that law can be made to control or restrict the propagation of any
    religious doctrine or belief against Muslims.
    This means Islam in Malaysia is unlike the Pancasila in Indonesia. According to the
    principles of Pancasila, no single religion has the rights to monopolise the lives of
    its citizens. The practice is different from Islam in Malaysia that has been given the
    rights and a special provision in the Constitution. At the same time, Islam does not
    restrict the freedom of the non-Muslims to practise their religions freely.
    Nevertheless, it does not mean that the freedom is absolute as it is still subjected
    to Article 11(4) whereby the religions should not be propagated to the Muslims. In
    another area, the freedom of human rights is also guaranteed by the Constitution
    under Part Two. However, it is subject to certain conditions such as public order,
    public health and public moral which constitute the people‟s rights.
    At the international level, the crusade for human rights has become a holy agenda.
    In fact, it had become even holier than the religion professed by its supporters.
    Human rights have gained its place internationally through The Universal
    Declaration of Human Rights 1948 (UDHR 1948). The declaration was proclaimed
    by the United Nations, which has most of the liberated countries in the world as its
    members. The Europeans are amongst the community in the world that strongly 2
    supports the crusade for human rights to the extent that they established The
    European Convention on Human Rights in 1950. It is legally binding for the
    countries in the European Union.
    The passion that drives the West in their fight for human rights caused a few to
    forget that there are rights there that are being violated. The Muslims‟ rights are
    among them. Muslims reject several articles in the UDHR 1948 because their
    rights to practice their religion are being threatened. Article 16 (1) of the UDHR
    1948 states: “Men and women of full age, without any limitation due to race,
    nationality or religion, have the right to marry and to found a family. They are
    entitled to equal rights as to marriage, during marriage and at its dissolution”. For
    Muslims, the statement contradicts the Islamic Law that has clear guidelines and
    rules related to marriage. Article 18 states, “Everyone has the right to freedom of
    thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion
    or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or
    private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and
    observance ”.
    According to Islam, Article 18 cannot be accepted as it clearly violates the rights of
    Muslims to practise Islam. Islam has determined that the first purpose (maqsad) of
    the Islamic Law is to preserve the religion. Therefore, if Muslims are allowed to
    embrace as well as leave the religion freely, then the rights of the Muslims to
    preserve their religion has been violated. Islamic ruling has defined that to leave
    the religion or to become an apostate is a grave crime and the person has to be
    tried and punished. The act of apostasy involves public interest, specifically the
    honour of the religion and Muslims in general. As such, it is no longer just individual
    rights involved.
    Nobody could accuse that Islam has violated individuals‟ rights to choose a religion.
    Is it not true that UDHR 1948 was established on the basis of protecting the public
    before the individual? If individual rights are given top priority, then why do 3
    governments all over the world enact legislation for their countries? Is it not the
    legislation is formed to restrict individual freedom that is defined by law as
    misconduct? In fact, there is a special clause in the UDHR 1948 under Article 29 (2)
    that states, “In the exercise of his rights and freedoms, everyone shall be subjected
    only to such limitations as are determined by law solely for the purpose of securing
    due recognition and respect for the rights and freedoms of others and of meeting
    the just requirements of morality, public order and the general welfare in a
    democratic society”.
    The same is applied in Islam. The Islamic law has defined that apostasy is a crime;
    therefore, it cannot be listed under individual human rights! This is about the
    sacredness of the religious doctrine. If amongst the followers of another religion go
    against the belief and doctrine of their religion, would the rest of the followers not
    be offended?
    The phenomenon is not difficult to understand if there is an understanding
    between the Muslims and the non-Muslims. Otherwise, they will accuse the other
    religion as violating the human rights principles. In the Malaysian context, Section
    4(4), Human Rights Commission of Malaysia Act 1999 (Act 597), has the provision
    that for the purpose of this Act, reference shall be made to the Universal
    Declaration of Human Rights 1948 to the extent that it is not against the Federal
    Constitution. Therefore, Article 3(1) of the Federal Constitution has specified that
    Islam is the religion of the Federation, and this is further supported by Article
    121(1A) that states, “The courts referred to in Clause (1) shall have no jurisdiction
    in respect of any matter within the jurisdiction of the Islamic Law courts” must be
    respected and understood by all parties.
    Thus, it is surprising that there are still individuals and organisations that continue
    to badger the government into giving the freedom to leave Islam under the pretext
    that it is allowed under the Federal Constitution even though they understand that
    apostasy is a crime under the Islamic Law. It is true according to Article 18, the4
    UDHR 1948 has stated that everyone is free to choose and change his religion at
    any point of time. Nevertheless, such act is against the Islamic Law that has been
    given a special position by the Constitution. Preserving the religion is a matter of
    high importance in Islam in order to ensure the harmony of the country and its
    community. Collectively, persons abandoning Islam are considered as saboteurs
    of the country and the Muslim community.
    A matter that needs to be understood by all is that there is no human rights
    violation issue if the Islamic penalisation is enforced onto Muslims who apostatised.
    The acts of apostasy that are being penalised are only to those that have been
    declared and made known to the public. According to al-Buti, had the apostates
    kept quiet and did not reveal their actions to the public, then the worldly
    punishment cannot be enforced onto them since the general method practised by
    the Islamic rulers are to take actions only on what can be seen, whilst matters of
    the spirit should be left to Allah s.w.t. who will penalise them accordingly in the
    Hereafter. (al-Buti, Sa‟id Ramadhan, Dr. (2004), Hurriyah al-Insan fi Zill
    „Ubudiyyah Li-Allah . Damsyik: Dar al-Fikr, page 85)
    These matters are not uncommon since apostasy could happen not only in the
    most common way understood by the public, whereby a person professing Islam
    no longer believes in his religion. Such may also occurs in other ways as
    mentioned by the thinkers of Islam. Among the ways are when Muslims give the
    rights of deciding the rules and laws (al-hakimiyyah) to other than Allah s.w.t.;
    despising any of the systems that exist in Islam; convinced that the laws made by
    men are the best and that Islamic Laws are outdated; being in favour of other
    system or believe that they are equal; mocking anything that come from the
    al-Quran and al-Sunnah, or Islamic teachings (syiar); ridiculing the personality of
    Rasulullah (peace and blessings be upon him); making lawful (halal) what is
    forbidden (haram) by Allah s.w.t. or vice versa; and many others. („Ulwan,
    „Abdullah Nasih, Dr.(1988), Hurriyah al-I‟tiqad fi al-Syari‟ah al-Islamiyyah. Kaherah:
    Dar al-Salam, page 78-95; Ahmad Rasyad, Dr. (1998), Hurriyah al-„Aqidah fi 5
    al-Syari‟ah al-Islamiyyah . Kaherah: Itrak li al-Nasyr al-Tawzi‟, page 334-339)
    If a person‟s apostasy is announced to the public and his new faith advertised,
    then the person had declared an attack in the form of perceptions (al-harb
    al-fikriyyah) on Islam and its belief. His action will raise or plant seeds of doubts in
    the hearts of the other Muslims. At such time, the act of apostasy should not be
    seen from the angle of individual rights to change his religion, but from the aspect
    of the presence of “hirabah‟‟ element which is an attack on the fundamentals of
    religion that is the pillar of an Islamic government. Therefore, immediate steps
    should be taken to start the process of providing explanation to clear the person‟s
    doubts, asking him to repent and should he remain defiant and insist to apostate,
    the end is a death penalty on the grounds of “hirabah‟‟ (al-qatlu hirabatan). This
    means, apostates are not executed because of their infidelity but on the grounds of
    hirabah. (al-Buti, 2004:85-87).
    This is clear based on verse 33 of surah al-Ma„idah which means: “Indeed, the
    penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon
    earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their
    hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land...”.
    Even though the verse is defined by most Islamic scholars as a verse to carry out
    punishment on criminals and robbers, it cannot be denied that the public act of
    apostasy is an act that wage war against Allah s.w.t. and His Messenger (peace
    and blessings be upon him). As such, a few of Salaf scholars hold the opinion that
    the punishment to execute an apostate is taken from this verse too, apart from the
    sound hadiths that serve to clarify the matter. Among those who said as such was
    Abu Qilabah and the others. (Refer to Ibn Rajab al-Hanbali, Jami‟al-„Ulum wa
    al-Hikam, page 32; and Dr. Yusuf al-Qaradawi (1993), Malamih al-Mujtama‟
    al-Muslim Allazi Nansyuduhu , Kaherah: Maktabah Wahbah, page 41)
    However, lately there are also apostasy cases arising from divorce, ignorance, and
    others that are said to be personal in nature. Among the cases that shocked the 6
    country was one decided by the Islamic Law High Court of Penang on 8 May 2008,
    allowing a Muslim convert Siti Fatimah Tan Abdullah to leave Islam. Siti Fatimah
    claimed that she only converted to Islam in order to marry an Iranian, Ferdoun
    Ashanian. She had never practised the teachings of Islam but continued to
    practise her original belief which was Buddhist. Siti Fatimah‟s attorney, Ustaz
    Ahmad Jailani described the request put in by Siti Fatimah was not about her
    leaving Islam but more towards a request to determine the status of her religion.
    Whatever may be the argument decided by the Court, we have to respect the
    decision made on the basis of upholding the principle of justice. But questions still
    arise among the non-Muslims, does Islam today acknowledge apostasy as human
    rights?
    In this matter, it is better for us to refer to another case that happened in Egypt
    recently. The scenario was not much different. It occurred when the judiciary body
    of Egypt requested a fatwa from al-Azhar University regarding a request made by a
    former Coptic Christian who converted to Islam out of personal interest, such as to
    marry for the second time or to divorce his wife (which is forbidden in their religion),
    and once his interest is fulfilled, he apostate and reconvert to his original religion.
    Thus, al-Azhar University through the Head of the Fatwa Committee, Sheikh Abdul
    Hamid al-Athrash issued a fatwa (ruling) that non-Muslims who converted to Islam
    for personal gain, and he apostated after the interest is reached, has committed a
    grave crime and cannot be met with leniency. All apostates must accept the syar‟i
    punishment according to the limits set by jumhur ulama, after they are asked to
    repent. Should anyone voice out that the matter is against the freedom of any
    religion principle, the opinion is ruled out since Islam does not force anyone to
    embrace the religion.
    Syeikh al-Athrash gave a reminder for anyone with the intentions to convert to
    Islam, it has to be out of absolute faith in the religion and total conviction of its
    principles, since after converting and becoming a Muslim, one is not allowed to 7
    leave. The fatwa indirectly indicates that Syeikh al-Azhar has retracted his earlier
    statement that said there is no punishment for non-Muslims who have converted to
    Islam and then apostated. Syeikh al-Azhar‟s fatwa received a lot of pressures from
    civil organisations and human rights activists. At the same time, it showed that
    al-Azhar does not sacrifice syar‟i law under any circumstances.
    http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2008/01/19/44427.html
    Al-Azhar‟s fatwa clearly indicates that the Islamic scholars are always consistent in
    stating that apostasy is a crime and apostates must be punished. Even though the
    fatwa does not state the form of punishment, what is certain is that, punishment
    must be carried out to apostates that had voluntarily converted to Islam earlier.
    There is no violation of religious freedom since Islam does not force anyone to
    convert to the religion. Therefore, the case that had been decided by the Islamic
    Law High Court of Penang cannot be the basis for the claim that Islam allows
    apostasy or that Islam acknowledges apostasy as one of the rights of its followers.
    These claims are made by a few non-Muslim political leaders not long after the
    Court made its ruling. The reason the Court allowed the defendant to leave Islam
    was because she has never practised the Islamic teachings since converting in
    1999, meaning, it was not because of the defendant‟s human rights.
    In conclusion, Islam is a religion that is very realistic. Islam acknowledges the
    freedom of human rights, but Islam views it from the scope that men are but
    servants to the Mighty Creator, Allah s.w.t. Islam identifies the limits of humanity.
    Anything that is within the characteristics of humanity will not be denied, in fact, it is
    commanded even if it is not legislated as human rights. While, anything that is
    beyond the boundaries of humanity is forbidden by Islam even if the human rights
    supporters claim it is a violation to the freedom of mankind.
    In retrospect, the fight for human rights designed by the West is one that is relative.
    In fact, it is a mere pawn to the religious secular and liberals there. Therefore,
    Islam will never accept the human rights based on the understanding of the 8
    Western‟s world view. Human rights are never sacred, only men have claimed that
    they are. As for religion, it is a revelation that is delivered by the Almighty to
    mankind as a guide. Most religions acknowledge this. Even though the religion is
    not held in high esteem or sacred by men, the essence of religion itself is sacred.
    Hence, it is the rights of all Muslims to protect the sacredness of their religion. The
    crimes of its followers will tarnish the purity of Islam. Apostasy is among the
    gravest crime according to Islam. As such, apostasy is not a right, it is forbidden
    (haram) by Islam. Hence, any apostate who refuses to repent must be punished.

    http://www.islam.gov.my/sites/default/files/apostasy_is_not_human_rights.pdf

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Leaving Islam is not a Human Right
     Reply #1 - June 16, 2013, 11:13 AM

    ...............

    APOSTASY IS NOT HUMAN RIGHTS .......Mohd Aizam Mas‟od

    ...............................

    http://www.islam.gov.my/sites/default/files/apostasy_is_not_human_rights.pdf

    That  goatee beard fool is a Zakir naik of Malaysia., The only difference between that Indian goatee  and this Malaysian goatee  is., Aizam Mas‟od is supported by Malaysian govt and Zakir naik is not supported by Indian govt .  If they were in Pakistan  and preach their Islam in mosques  both would have been beaten to pulp.. 

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k11I6OFTDjU

    foolish fellow

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Leaving Islam is not a Human Right
     Reply #2 - June 16, 2013, 12:12 PM

    All those laws...one forbidding one allowing. One granting freedom, the other restiritcing...It's almost like dawah.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9B5TgxedMak

    My Rules:
    1. I know bullshit when I see it.
    2. "Smart" comments will be ignored.
    3. Comments which aren't worthy of my time will be ignored.
    If I do not respond to your comment then it has fallen into the above categories.
  • Leaving Islam is not a Human Right
     Reply #3 - June 16, 2013, 12:31 PM

    All those laws...one forbidding one allowing. One granting freedom, the other restiritcing...It's almost like dawah.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9B5TgxedMak

    Hi Gilmari .. how are you doing?

    this is billy's opening folder  Cheesy ..  he is going  to say "Fuck you"  Cheesy

    Anyways that guy kamal el mekki  is not a bad guy.. he is just a fool .. He would have been great Stand up comic on American TV.. He went in to Islam and he missed the bus.. Watch the guy again..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuSJfbflScw

    see how funny he is.. by the way don't forget to watch  this one

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Leaving Islam is not a Human Right
     Reply #4 - June 16, 2013, 06:12 PM

    Bloodcurdling and utterly despicable. Its title should be changed to 'How to lose faith in humanity in 10 minutes'.

    Started from the bottom, now I'm here
    Started from the bottom, now my whole extended family's here

    JOIN THE CHAT
  • Leaving Islam is not a Human Right
     Reply #5 - June 16, 2013, 06:15 PM

    Quote
    According to Islam, Article 18 cannot be accepted as it clearly violates the rights of Muslims to practise Islam. Islam has determined that the first purpose (maqsad) of the Islamic Law is to preserve the religion. Therefore, if Muslims are allowed to embrace as well as leave the religion freely, then the rights of the Muslims to preserve their religion has been violated.


    You can't even make shit like this up. It would be funny if it was not so completely un-funny.
  • Leaving Islam is not a Human Right
     Reply #6 - June 16, 2013, 06:39 PM

    All those laws...one forbidding one allowing. One granting freedom, the other restiritcing...It's almost like dawah.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9B5TgxedMak


    These dawah peddlers remind me of some forked tongue Neo Nazi apologists.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Leaving Islam is not a Human Right
     Reply #7 - June 16, 2013, 06:44 PM

    You can't even make shit like this up. It would be funny if it was not so completely un-funny.


    I like this part:

    Quote
    Islam acknowledges the
    freedom of human rights, but Islam views it from the scope that men are but
    servants to the Mighty Creator, Allah s.w.t. Islam identifies the limits of humanity.
    Anything that is within the characteristics of humanity will not be denied, in fact, it is
    commanded even if it is not legislated as human rights. While, anything that is
    beyond the boundaries of humanity is forbidden by Islam even if the human rights
    supporters claim it is a violation to the freedom of mankind.


    Islam equals humanity, therefore what is outside Islam is outside humanity, and therefore disallowed.

    In a way you've got to love these guys, because they are honest about what they believe.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Leaving Islam is not a Human Right
     Reply #8 - June 16, 2013, 08:24 PM

    These dawah peddlers remind me of some forked tongue Neo Nazi apologists.

    Well good for you...Hey, I'll call you when I see one.

    My Rules:
    1. I know bullshit when I see it.
    2. "Smart" comments will be ignored.
    3. Comments which aren't worthy of my time will be ignored.
    If I do not respond to your comment then it has fallen into the above categories.
  • Leaving Islam is not a Human Right
     Reply #9 - June 16, 2013, 08:39 PM


    ^^^^Yeah just like that Afro

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Leaving Islam is not a Human Right
     Reply #10 - June 17, 2013, 07:10 AM

     far away hug

    My Rules:
    1. I know bullshit when I see it.
    2. "Smart" comments will be ignored.
    3. Comments which aren't worthy of my time will be ignored.
    If I do not respond to your comment then it has fallen into the above categories.
  • Leaving Islam is not a Human Right
     Reply #11 - June 17, 2013, 08:20 PM

    I can't believe someone actually wrote this.  wacko  015 banghead

    To explain the absurdity and stupidity of this (not to mention the cruelty) would be beyond words. It would have been funny if it wasn't truly representative of islamic doctrine.

    If the abrahamic god judged himself according to his own moral standards, he'd go to hell.

    He's jealous, full of pride, he created evil, he doesn't heal sick people while he could, he's attacking people who are weaker than him, he follows his own desires and he commits murders all the time.
  • Leaving Islam is not a Human Right
     Reply #12 - December 02, 2013, 03:20 AM

    Considering the recent BBC attention and the discussions it's brought up, I thought it might be a good time to bring this back.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Leaving Islam is not a Human Right
     Reply #13 - December 02, 2013, 07:15 AM

    Is "Islamic country" an oxymoron?

    And what was that about human rights being subject to public health?  Last time I looked health was a human right....

    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Leaving Islam is not a Human Right
     Reply #14 - December 02, 2013, 07:45 AM

    How is health a human right? You mean treatment/medicine etc?

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Leaving Islam is not a Human Right
     Reply #15 - December 02, 2013, 11:22 AM

    Quote
    The Conference strongly reaffirms that health, which is a state of complete physical, mental and social wellbeing, and not merely the absence of disease or infirmity, is a fundamental human right and that the attainment of the highest possible level of health is a most important world-wide social goal whose realization requires the action of many other social and economic sectors in addition to the health sector.


    http://www.who.int/publications/almaata_declaration_en.pdf

    This is core to UN law.

    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Leaving Islam is not a Human Right
     Reply #16 - December 02, 2013, 11:29 AM

    So it's a goal then. Like the US guarantees the right to the pursuit of happiness, but not actual automatic happiness? The pursuit of health?

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Leaving Islam is not a Human Right
     Reply #17 - December 02, 2013, 03:36 PM

    Sorry?  Do human rights only exist when they are achieved?

    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Leaving Islam is not a Human Right
     Reply #18 - December 02, 2013, 08:16 PM

    Probably. Or when someone thinks them up. They certainly haven't existed since before the creation of the universe.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Leaving Islam is not a Human Right
     Reply #19 - December 02, 2013, 08:40 PM

    First let me put that original PDF article link from that IDIOT here

    Quote
    APOSTASY IS NOT HUMAN RIGHTS
    Mohd Aizam Mas‟od
    Aqidah Division
    JAKIM Research Department

    http://www.islam.gov.my/sites/default/files/apostasy_is_not_human_rights.pdf  


    That fool doesn't know the difference between Human Rights and Islamic rights and rights of Muslims . That fool  almost making sound as if   MUSLIM LIKE HIM ARE NOT HUMAN BEINGS.  

    Any ways let me put the link of universal-declaration-of-human-rights here  and this PDF file gives all those 30 or so statements from that UN universal declaration of Human rights web site..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Leaving Islam is not a Human Right
     Reply #20 - December 02, 2013, 10:01 PM

    Oh brother, why you no understand great wisdom from the sky?

    UDHR is from man made kufr ego desires that wish to enslave you to this dunya.

    Islamic human rights is from Allah and is pure and eternal for everybody that submits to Allah.

    Only one can be true. Go on, you can continue to drink fire whilst I drink zam-zam.

    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • Leaving Islam is not a Human Right
     Reply #21 - December 02, 2013, 11:51 PM

    And in keeping with the Malay theme here's another curious story I came across as reported in the "Malaysian Insider", Sat-Nov-30.


    "A Malaysian woman said to have been enslaved for nearly 30 years, Siti Aishah Abdul Wahab, has refused to return to Malaysia and denied she was a slave in London, says activist Hishamuddin Rais.
    He said Siti Aishah's denial came from her Marxist ideology.
    "Siti Aishah has said she was not anyone’s slave. That is her ideological belief.
    "She also does not want to return to Malaysia," Hishamuddin said in London when contacted by The Malaysian Insider.
    On his blog, Hishamuddin posted the latest updates on Siti Aishah's reunion with her sister, Kamar Mahtum.
     According to Hishamuddin, Kamar Mahtum had to endure a six-hour journey to meet Siti Aishah, who had previously been reported by British media as being a victim of slavery along with two other women.
     "The journey from London to a secret police safe house took six hours and a change of vehicles twice. Kamar Mahtum was eventually reunited with Siti Aishah, who is being watched by two policewomen and eight policemen," Hishamuddin said.
     The representative from the Malaysian High Commission was not allowed to accompany Kamar Mahtum.
    Both sisters cried when they finally met after decades apart.
    Hishamuddin said the sisters had a 40-minute reunion. He had accompanied Kamar Mahtum when she departed from Kuala Lumpur on Tuesday, determined not to return to Malaysia until she had seen Siti Aishah.
    The United Kingdom had confirmed Siti Aishah's status as a Malaysian citizen, registered officially as Aishah Wahab and born on May 27, 1944. Siti Aishah was in a red top and black trousers when Kamar Mahtum met her. She also brought a package for her sister.
    He said: "During their brief reunion, Siti Aishah asked about her mother and other siblings. Kamar Mahtum tearfully replied that they had died long ago. The package which Kamar Mahtum brought included headscarves and robes," Hishamuddin said.
    He said when Siti Aishah was invited to return to Malaysia to be introduced to her other relatives here, she replied she would return some time in the future. Siti Aishah was also briefed about Islamic teachings by Kamar Mahtum and said she had many Muslim friends in London.
     Kamar Mahtum did her best to persuade Siti Aishah to return home but the latter seemed reluctant. Kamar Mahtum said she nagged Siti Aishah quite a bit during their meeting and described her sister as being extremely British.
     "Kamar Mahtum had a nagging feeling that there was something private in Siti Aishah's life that her sister wanted to share but did not reveal. Kamar Mahtum made three requests of her sister before she left, to read the Quran, write home and to return to Malaysia," Hishamuddin said.
     Siti Aishah is one of three women freed by the police on October 25 in London after one of them contacted the authorities. The other two victims are an Irish, 57, and a Briton, 30. Police also arrested B. Aravindan and his wife, Chanda. – November 30, 2013.
    "

    Not wanting to return to her Islamic routes??? Clearly this is the result of extreme brainwashing that tends to occur when someone gets involved in one of these dangerous cults. Does anyone else see the irony?
  • Leaving Islam is not a Human Right
     Reply #22 - December 03, 2013, 10:17 AM

    No doubt many of the good folks back home would be only too eager to help "Rehabilitate" a Commie and show her error of her ways. The only surprising thing, judging by the media attention is how the government hasn't already been lent on more to send out an official representative to encourage her back home for some special treatment.
    If you don't believe me take a look at this story that broke a few years back when the busy body "Morality" groups at home caught wind of it.
    http://yesboleh.blogspot.ie/2011/12/malaysian-gay-wedding-in-dublin.html

    "A MALAYSIAN student who reportedly had a civil partnership with an Irishman has been caught up in a political storm of controversy in his home country.

    Ariff Alfian Rosli (28) has been resident in Ireland since moving here eight years ago to study medicine at a university in Dublin.

    After an apparent disagreement with his son in 2009, Mr Rosli’s father reported him missing to Malaysian authorities.

    In recent days, pictures emerged on the internet which appeared to be of Mr Rosli in traditional Malaysian dress with his civil partner in Ireland at an event at Dublin City Hall.

    The pictures were published on the front pages of some local newspapers and have been the source of criticism from numerous political groups in Malaysia, where same-sex sexual relationships are illegal and punishable by up to 20 years in prison.

    The Malaysian police have been urged by Muslim groups to investigate the issue on the basis that Mr Rosli has failed to adhere to the country’s Islamic laws.

    The controversy has prompted the Malaysian prime minister’s office to issue a statement pledging to investigate the matter.

    An official from Malaysia’s ruling political party is reportedly due to arrive in Dublin later this week to convince Mr Rosli to return home.

    Mr Rosli yesterday told The Irish Times he was not missing and wished to correct inaccurate comments about him in the Malaysian media.

    “I am not missing. The Irish authorities know I am legally resident here. The Malaysian embassy has also been aware for several years that I am residing here legally,” he said.

    “I feel I have have been inadvertently thrust into the public eye. I just want to get by without upsetting anyone or causing any trouble. My overriding concern is for my family.”

    He declined to comment on whether he had a civil partnership or was involved in a same-sex relationship. Homosexuality is still a taboo issue in Malaysia.

    Advocates for gay rights say many Malaysians remain afraid to come out publicly for fear of religious condemnation or prosecution.

    Mr Rosli also said reports that he had renounced his Muslim faith were inaccurate.

    “I have not converted to any religion, contrary to what has been reported. I was born a Muslim, I am still a Muslim and will remain a Muslim ’til the day I die. Nothing will shake me from my faith.”

    He also said he was in regular contact with his family and was baffled at how his “disappearance” had become a major source of controversy in his home country. However, he has not spoken with his father – a retired naval officer – for several years.

    “I had a disagreement with my father in 2009, after which he reported me missing . . . I’m not in communication with him, but I am in regular contact with my other family members,” he added."

  • Leaving Islam is not a Human Right
     Reply #23 - December 03, 2013, 12:31 PM

    The UN and its daughter bodies - World Bank, WTO, WHO etc are all going through a continuing process of looking at issues, discussing them and coming to agreement.  Issues are refined and made more detailed and comprehensive, for example the UNDHR about people with disabilities.

    A classic example of this international continuing process is sustainable development.

    Quote
    In 1983 the United Nations General Assembly passed resolution 38/161 entitled “Process of Preparation of the Environmental Perspective to the Year 2000 and Beyond,” establishing a special commission whose charge was:

    (a) To propose long-term environmental strategies for achieving sustainable development to the year 2000 and beyond;

    (b) To recommend ways in which concern for the environment may be translated into greater co-operation among developing countries and between countries at different stages of economic and social development and lead to the achievement of common and mutually supportive objectives which take account of the interrelationships between people, resources, environment and development;

    (c) To consider ways and means by which the international community can deal more effectively with environmental concerns, in the light of the other recommendations in its report;

    (d) To help to define shared perceptions of long-term environmental issues and of the appropriate efforts needed to deal successfully with the problems of protecting and enhancing the environment, a long-term agenda for action during the coming decades, and aspirational goals for the world community, taking into account the relevant resolutions of the session of a special character of the Governing Council in 1982.

    The commission later adopted the formal name “World Commission on Environment and Development” (WCED) but became widely known by the name of its chair Gro Harlem Brundtland,


    Arguably, Islamic Nations are continually attacking the roots of this very slow coming to agreement internationally.

    http://cnx.org/content/m41188/latest/?collection=col11325/latest

    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Leaving Islam is not a Human Right
     Reply #24 - December 03, 2013, 01:15 PM

    Don't these "Morality" groups have any idea how creepy their insistence to have ex pats returned from abroad for reprogramming appears to the outside world?? Thinking hard

    Meanwhile over in Pakistan, Turkish soaps corrupt country's morals.
    http://www.euronews.com/2013/12/02/turkish-soaps-have-pakistan-all-in-a-lather/
     mysmilie_977
  • Leaving Islam is not a Human Right
     Reply #25 - December 03, 2013, 01:30 PM


    Meanwhile over in Pakistan, Turkish soaps corrupt country's morals.
    http://www.euronews.com/2013/12/02/turkish-soaps-have-pakistan-all-in-a-lather/
     mysmilie_977

    gooood....,    we need more  Turkish soap-operas in that land., Not only that we also need  to air this

     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwvZLeSmClM

    Harun Yahya Islam  24/7 ....

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Leaving Islam is not a Human Right
     Reply #26 - December 03, 2013, 01:38 PM

    An English teacher used a fascinating phrase to us twelve year olds - verbal diarrhoea .

    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Leaving Islam is not a Human Right
     Reply #27 - December 03, 2013, 11:55 PM

    Re; that last youtube link Yeez . . .WTF.
  • Leaving Islam is not a Human Right
     Reply #28 - December 04, 2013, 12:28 AM

    gooood....,    we need more  Turkish soap-operas in that land., Not only that we also need  to air this

     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwvZLeSmClM

    Harun Yahya Islam  24/7 ....


    On the Harun Yahya note here is this

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12a0DiWdbo0

    Tell people that there's an invisible man in the sky who created the universe, and the vast majority will believe you.

    Tell them the paint is wet, and they have to touch it to be sure.
    - George Carlin
  • Leaving Islam is not a Human Right
     Reply #29 - December 04, 2013, 12:38 AM

    What the heck?!  Cheesy
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