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 Topic: Winning an argument (according to the Quran)

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  • Winning an argument (according to the Quran)
     OP - June 17, 2013, 12:06 PM
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    Have you not considered the one who argued with Abraham about his Lord [merely] because Allah had given him kingship? When Abraham said, "My Lord is the one who gives life and causes death," he said, "I give life and cause death." Abraham said, "Indeed, Allah brings up the sun from the east, so bring it up from the west." So the disbeliever was overwhelmed [by astonishment], and Allah does not guide the wrongdoing people.


    If this is supposed to be a good example of winning an argument against a disbeliever, it's not hard to understand why so many muslims think they can prove Islam/Allah to everyone. This verse always bugged me as a muslim, as I tried to understand the point it was trying to make.
  • Winning an argument (according to the Quran)
     Reply #1 - June 17, 2013, 12:34 PM
    What the verse doesn't tell you is that the court physician subsequently had to apply at least five stitches, such was the intensity of the repeated facepalm that followed.

    Moral of the story: always ask what the Quran leaves out. You get better answers that way.
    Before it gets too late, you will find escape.
  • Winning an argument (according to the Quran)
     Reply #2 - June 17, 2013, 01:04 PM
    Indeed. You know how the argument muslims bring up that the quran couldn't have been forged by an uneducated man...well, it's through the thought process that one spots an uneducated man. The quran is a prime example of an uneducated man. It has the arguemnts of a six year old, has a complete obsession with Jews and Christians dispite the fact that all religions were from Allah and then corrupted, has the instincts of an animal and the attitude of a barbaric warleader that had no other means of atracting followers other than promising an eternal brothle should they follow him, or have their flesh burned off for the rest of eternity (by the Most Gracious and Most Merciful)

    It should also be noted that one will only find the mentioning of religions which were familiar to Muhammad, and no other religion.
    Muhammad also succesfully managed to prove himself an Abrahamic prophet by completely dismissing the Abrahamic scriptures (and everybody fell for it) and despite the fact that his followers couldn't find anything, all he did was blame the Jews and Christians for not showing them.
    VER R DE PROFESIEZ???
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  • Winning an argument (according to the Quran)
     Reply #3 - June 17, 2013, 01:55 PM
    Another example of failed Quranic argument:

    Surah 2:140 "Or do you say that Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and the tribes were Jews or Christians? Say (oh Muhammad): Do you know better or does Allah?"

     015  Newsflash Mo: We don't believe you speak for Allah.
  • Winning an argument (according to the Quran)
     Reply #4 - June 17, 2013, 02:10 PM
    The basic argument for the quran is..."Allah says [insert bullshit]"

    No wonder the majority of muslims make me wanna falcon punch my screen in the hopes it will come out their screen...Or should i punch the modem instead?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULyYNypLfQQ
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  • Winning an argument (according to the Quran)
     Reply #5 - June 17, 2013, 02:13 PM
    It's kinda hard to sympathize with a believer in one Middle Eastern fairy tale over another.
  • Winning an argument (according to the Quran)
     Reply #6 - June 17, 2013, 02:16 PM
    Quote from: Gilmari on June 17, 2013, 02:10 PM
    The basic argument for the Bible is..."Jesus says [insert bullshit]"


    Fixed! Afro
  • Winning an argument (according to the Quran)
     Reply #7 - June 17, 2013, 02:18 PM
    Fairytale is one thing...
    From my point of view. Muhammad is a false propeht. And he proves it constantly. The reason he had such an obsession with Jews and Christians is that accoriding to our scriptures, if he was found to be a flase prophet, he should be put to death.

    Plus, my religion doesn't preach global Jihad, enslaving all people under Christ and imposing Jizyyia to all non-chirstians killing those who refuse to submit, taking their wives as sex slaves and speaking of them as inforior to all creatures...Plus, I aint getting a brothle when i die.
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  • Winning an argument (according to the Quran)
     Reply #8 - June 17, 2013, 02:19 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on June 17, 2013, 02:16 PM
    Fixed! Afro


    Before saying things like that...you should make sure you know the difference between OT, NT and Bible  whistling2
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  • Winning an argument (according to the Quran)
     Reply #9 - June 17, 2013, 02:23 PM
    Quote from: Gilmari on June 17, 2013, 02:18 PM
    my religion doesn't preach global Jihad, enslaving all people under Christ and imposing Jizyyia to all non-chirstians killing those who refuse to submit, taking their wives as sex slaves and speaking of them as inforior to all creatures...Plus, I aint getting a brothle when i die.


    Not any more - thank Zues its been defanged and forced back by enlightened people Afro

    But give any religion half a chance and they'd be running inquisitions and burning at the stake again   whistling2
  • Winning an argument (according to the Quran)
     Reply #10 - June 17, 2013, 02:24 PM
    Quote from: Gilmari on June 17, 2013, 02:19 PM
    Before saying things like that...you should make sure you know the difference between OT, NT and Bible  whistling2


    Talking about the OT, even the Quran doesn't order believers to kill "suckling babies"  whistling2
  • Winning an argument (according to the Quran)
     Reply #11 - June 17, 2013, 02:25 PM
    Yes, we must not forget the rational, logical, evidence-based approach  upon which the New Testament is firmly established.
  • Winning an argument (according to the Quran)
     Reply #12 - June 17, 2013, 02:28 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on June 17, 2013, 02:23 PM
    Not any more - thank Zues its been defanged and forced back by enlightened people Afro

    But give any religion half a chance and they'd be running inquisitions and burning at the stake again   whistling2

    It's funny how you stated this but posted no actual reference to the NT. I mean...please show me where Jesus, or Paul, instruct the followers to run inquisitions and burn at the stake. Pretty pleaaaaase :3
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  • Winning an argument (according to the Quran)
     Reply #13 - June 17, 2013, 02:28 PM
    Nothing makes me want to vomit more than seeing a believer in one religion laughing at how stupid everyone else's religion is. vomit
  • Winning an argument (according to the Quran)
     Reply #14 - June 17, 2013, 02:30 PM
    Quote from: happymurtad on June 17, 2013, 02:25 PM
    Yes, we must not forget the rational, logical, evidence-based approach  upon which the New Testament is firmly established.

    The NT is mostly based on faith, and not slandering those that don't eblieve constantly. While it is inspirational, you will not find it saying "the prophets were Christians" or "My God raises the sun from the East, yours is false"
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  • Winning an argument (according to the Quran)
     Reply #15 - June 17, 2013, 02:32 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on June 17, 2013, 02:28 PM
    Nothing makes me want to vomit more than seeing a believer in one religion laughing at how stupid everyone else's religion is. vomit

    In general i a void speaking in anybosy else's religion. And I think every religion has the chance of being right. However islam i know it's not ture...it mocked my religion and couldn't even get that right...
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  • Winning an argument (according to the Quran)
     Reply #16 - June 17, 2013, 02:34 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on June 17, 2013, 02:24 PM
    Talking about the OT, even the Quran doesn't order believers to kill "suckling babies"  whistling2

    And here is where historical context comes in. Why does everybody have a problem with diferiantiating between long term and specific (short term) commands?
    As well as the authorities of the 2 covenants and Biblical sturcture...Something you should know before saying something like that to a Christian...for more problems on the OT...find a Jew.

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  • Winning an argument (according to the Quran)
     Reply #17 - June 17, 2013, 02:34 PM
    Quote from: Gilmari on June 17, 2013, 02:30 PM
    The NT is mostly based on faith, and not slandering those that don't eblieve constantly. While it is inspirational, you will not find it saying "the prophets were Christians" or "My God raises the sun from the East, yours is false"


    So, have you read the Book of Revelation?
  • Winning an argument (according to the Quran)
     Reply #18 - June 17, 2013, 02:36 PM
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    So, have you read the Book of Revelation?

    Please tell me you're not interpreting the descriptions as literal full on descriptions...
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  • Winning an argument (according to the Quran)
     Reply #19 - June 17, 2013, 02:44 PM
    Quote from: Gilmari on June 17, 2013, 02:34 PM
    And here is where historical context comes in. Why does everybody have a problem with diferiantiating between long term and specific (short term) commands?
    As well as the authorities of the 2 covenants and Biblical sturcture...Something you should know before saying something like that to a Christian...for more problems on the OT...find a Jew.




    And so the apologetics begin. OK Dahir.
  • Winning an argument (according to the Quran)
     Reply #20 - June 17, 2013, 02:45 PM
    Quote from: Gilmari on June 17, 2013, 02:34 PM
    And here is where historical context comes in. Why does everybody have a problem with diferiantiating between long term and specific (short term) commands?
    As well as the authorities of the 2 covenants and Biblical sturcture...Something you should know before saying something like that to a Christian...for more problems on the OT...find a Jew.


    Oh I'm sorry... Is that the sound of a fascist-supporting, Muslim-hating, Christian trying to justify his god killing babies?

    Why, yes it is!

    Well please allow me retort, my good fellow.

    I feel awfully embarrassed my good man as you seem to have me confused with someone who gives a fuck about your pathetic explanations.
  • Winning an argument (according to the Quran)
     Reply #21 - June 17, 2013, 02:46 PM
    The problem of the OT is answerable...but i don't have the proper full on knowledge to acurately answer in a mere forum. Plus, this is not a proper thread...
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  • Winning an argument (according to the Quran)
     Reply #22 - June 17, 2013, 02:48 PM
    Quote from: Gilmari on June 17, 2013, 02:36 PM
    Please tell me you're not interpreting the descriptions as literal full on descriptions...


    Please tell me you are not going full retard!

    NEVER go full retard!
  • Winning an argument (according to the Quran)
     Reply #23 - June 17, 2013, 02:49 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on June 17, 2013, 02:45 PM
    Oh I'm sorry... Is that the sound of a fascist-supporting, Muslim-hating, Christian trying to justify his god killing babies?

    Why, yes it is!

    Well let me retort, my good fellow.

    I feel awfully embarrassed my good man as you seem to have me confused with someone who gives a fuck about your pathetic explanations.

    You do not know how scripture authority is scaled on the Bible, and you expect me to answer to an argument which while i answered, you refused the answer...You seem to be having a problem with the Christian answer for the Torah...so why don't you find a Jew? What's os fascist about it? Isn't the Torah Jewish Scripture?
    My Rules:
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    2. "Smart" comments will be ignored.
    3. Comments which aren't worthy of my time will be ignored.
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  • Winning an argument (according to the Quran)
     Reply #24 - June 17, 2013, 02:55 PM
    Quote from: Gilmari on June 17, 2013, 02:49 PM
    You do not know how scripture authority is scaled on the Bible, and you expect me to answer to an argument which while i answered, you refused the answer...You seem to be having a problem with the Christian answer for the Torah...so why don't you find a Jew? What's os fascist about it? Isn't the Torah Jewish Scripture?


    Hark! What bullshit through yonder orifice breaks?

    Why, tis the sweet cries of suckling babies beings slaughtered by order the loving Christian God!
  • Winning an argument (according to the Quran)
     Reply #25 - June 17, 2013, 03:01 PM
    Depends...is it speaking about long term commands for all conflicts to follow...or a single battel at a specific point in time? Because there is a difference between historical act, and theological teaching... How about you give reference to the actual verse so i can look it up? since i have slow interent and can't go about searching randomly through google...Untill Wednesday/Thursday that is...
    My Rules:
    1. I know bullshit when I see it.
    2. "Smart" comments will be ignored.
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  • Winning an argument (according to the Quran)
     Reply #26 - June 17, 2013, 03:03 PM
    Quote from: Gilmari on June 17, 2013, 02:36 PM
    Please tell me you're not interpreting the descriptions as literal full on descriptions...


    Oh right, we can't take the descriptions literally. Where have I heard that before?

    Look, if you want to believe that a 2000 year old zombie hippie is your lord and personal savoir, then please, be my guest. It is your prerogative. Please just know that you sound just as ridiculous to everyone else as those who believe an illiterate merchant rode a magical donkey into heaven. When you come here dismissing other faiths as false, don't be alarmed when you raise some eyebrows.

    Quick question: What country are you from again?
    And what particular brand of delusion do you believe to be true?

    See any patterns?
  • Winning an argument (according to the Quran)
     Reply #27 - June 17, 2013, 03:09 PM
    Quote from: Hassan on June 17, 2013, 02:48 PM
    Please tell me you are not going full retard!

    NEVER go full retard!

    My Rules:
    1. I know bullshit when I see it.
    2. "Smart" comments will be ignored.
    3. Comments which aren't worthy of my time will be ignored.
    If I do not respond to your comment then it has fallen into the above categories.
  • Winning an argument (according to the Quran)
     Reply #28 - June 17, 2013, 03:11 PM
    End time prophecies are the one part of the Bible you are never to take on at face value. They are meant ot be metaphorical clues which will indicate what will happen, but without being clear. You are the first person I have ever met that actually made the uncharacterisable move of literally interpreting the End times prophecies...

    Now, the fact that you dont believe in any religion doesn't mean none of them are true and that we all believe in fairy tales. Every religion has the possibility of being right...I chose Christian Orthodoxy. And i couldn't care less if you, or anybody else, like my decision or not.
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  • Winning an argument (according to the Quran)
     Reply #29 - June 17, 2013, 04:27 PM
    Quote from: Gilmari on June 17, 2013, 03:01 PM
    How about you give reference to the actual verse so i can look it up?


    Sure! Here ya go:

    1 Samuel 15:3

    "Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass."

    Haven't you read your "Good Book"?

    Let me read you a few more quotes from it:-

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=GB&hl=en-GB&v=b2T-e-gOVR8
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