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  • ex-Muslim woman on what it is like to be a Muslim woman
     Reply #30 - October 01, 2013, 12:35 AM

    Well yes, I do realise that. I was assuming my words would be intepreted with a bit of common sense. My point was that avoiding someone's eyes can easily be taken as being rude or dishonest, or just excessively shy, depending on context.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • ex-Muslim woman on what it is like to be a Muslim woman
     Reply #31 - October 01, 2013, 12:49 AM

    I was talking to Three, not you, Big'ead.
  • ex-Muslim woman on what it is like to be a Muslim woman
     Reply #32 - October 01, 2013, 12:50 AM

    I like eyes. Boobz also. I like looking at both. Iz good.

    fuck you
  • ex-Muslim woman on what it is like to be a Muslim woman
     Reply #33 - October 01, 2013, 01:03 AM

    I was talking to Three, not you, Big'ead.

    My 'umble apologies, guv.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • ex-Muslim woman on what it is like to be a Muslim woman
     Reply #34 - October 01, 2013, 01:07 AM

    You're welcome, Fatface.
  • ex-Muslim woman on what it is like to be a Muslim woman
     Reply #35 - October 01, 2013, 01:14 AM

    Y'all are too funny. Don't worry, I am remembering how to move around in Western culture. It's just slower than I like. I might be impatient. Purdah sucks.
    Thank you.

    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • ex-Muslim woman on what it is like to be a Muslim woman
     Reply #36 - October 01, 2013, 01:15 AM


    I have had entire conversations with men through wooden partitions and from behind veils. It's sign of respect in some Muslim cultures not to look directly at the speaker if that speaker is of the opposite gender.


    Anyone know of a none islamic culture that has this?

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • ex-Muslim woman on what it is like to be a Muslim woman
     Reply #37 - October 01, 2013, 01:15 AM

    I think Japan and possibly China did for a while, but might be mistaken. Not sure of any unislamic one to be that way today at least.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • ex-Muslim woman on what it is like to be a Muslim woman
     Reply #38 - October 01, 2013, 01:23 AM

    Well yes, I do realise that. I was assuming my words would be intepreted with a bit of common sense. My point was that avoiding someone's eyes can easily be taken as being rude or dishonest, or just excessively shy, depending on context.


    Haven't read the thread, saw this, had to respond. It is related, I think.

    It depends on what culture you are from. Evidence as a young boy at home and at school, being told off by parent/teacher was confusing. The teacher would say 'look at me when I am talking to you', wanting to know if you are listening/paying attention the parents would want you to look anywhere but at them, at the floor, looking at them means insolence.

    It was very confusing, I wished they could make their minds up, send the memo. The teachers would think I am being insolent if I look away, while I thought it was polite and vice versa (the correct spelling)at home.

    I wonder how many Pakistani kids did that with policemen?

    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • ex-Muslim woman on what it is like to be a Muslim woman
     Reply #39 - October 01, 2013, 01:41 AM

    ^^^Interesting and good question.

    fuck you
  • ex-Muslim woman on what it is like to be a Muslim woman
     Reply #40 - October 01, 2013, 01:58 AM

    You do not wanna do that with a copper looks like you have something to hide. if it was my job to catch out crooks, that would get my spider sense tingling.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • ex-Muslim woman on what it is like to be a Muslim woman
     Reply #41 - October 01, 2013, 02:02 AM

     Cheesy

    fuck you
  • ex-Muslim woman on what it is like to be a Muslim woman
     Reply #42 - October 01, 2013, 02:08 AM

    I am teaching my children to look at who is speaking to them, whether that person is upset with them or not. It's not their first inclination, for sure.

    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • ex-Muslim woman on what it is like to be a Muslim woman
     Reply #43 - October 01, 2013, 04:02 AM

    Yeah, tell them to stare that fucker down. cool2

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • ex-Muslim woman on what it is like to be a Muslim woman
     Reply #44 - October 01, 2013, 04:45 AM

    And if it's a boy, whip his dick out and aggressively point down at it and say THAT'S MA DICK, THAT'S MA DICK THAR. I was instructed from an early age this is the best way to deal with confrontation.

    fuck you
  • ex-Muslim woman on what it is like to be a Muslim woman
     Reply #45 - October 01, 2013, 02:20 PM

    You do not wanna do that with a copper looks like you have something to hide. if it was my job to catch out crooks, that would get my spider sense tingling.


    Exactly.

    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • ex-Muslim woman on what it is like to be a Muslim woman
     Reply #46 - October 01, 2013, 02:23 PM

    ^^^Interesting and good question.


    If I was friends with Allah, I could ask him how many lives were needlessly fucked because of this simple cultural differences. And how many other simple differences have gone unnoticed. (I do like to gather information on hand gestures/shrugs/facial expressions - which mean different things according to which culture you are from, but it would be interesting to note the ones that make a big difference)

    Just thought that this could be a part of a movie - where the wrong appreciation of gestures leads to....

    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • ex-Muslim woman on what it is like to be a Muslim woman
     Reply #47 - October 01, 2013, 07:44 PM

    That would be interesting.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • ex-Muslim woman on what it is like to be a Muslim woman
     Reply #48 - October 02, 2013, 02:09 AM

    If you write a script on it, share!

    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • ex-Muslim woman on what it is like to be a Muslim woman
     Reply #49 - October 07, 2013, 09:31 AM

    Quod and three (can I call you 3, it sounds better lol)

    I wasn't being totally serious, the cultural mis-step would have to pretty big, I was thinking as part of a movie, a significant addition to the plot though, having repurcussions, but you would have to flag it beforehand.

    An idea does strike me and it would need the Quod quorum of half a dozen people. And only then. let's try writing a movie online, something fresh, something topical, something CEMB could be behind (or not). I mean I feel the force o this forum. We have abroad spectrum of some top-class writers here, nothing academic, pure story. You can teach a lot through a movie. I wouldn't want to be 'project leader' if the main character is a female. Imagine if it was a cool script, say three's swamp post turned flick. We have the writers, humourists, thinkers, audience, critics, jokers and space cowboys all under one roof. We would all get credit and CEMB exposure.

    If it happens, I do want a credit stating - movie was created on an original idea/spliff by devilsadvokat, or summat like that. Lol

    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • ex-Muslim woman on what it is like to be a Muslim woman
     Reply #50 - October 08, 2013, 12:04 AM

    You can call me 3. I am not picky.
    I will say I don't know anything about writing a script. The only project managers I know are in Information Technology.
    Don't movies start with scripts, and then go to boards, like a comic strip, or an advertising proposal?
    Maybe a comic would be more affordable..
    There must be people here who can draw. Who's that girl who did the comic on the Iranian revolution? Marjane Satrapi's Persepolis? That went over well, and she left out color, I believe.

    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • ex-Muslim woman on what it is like to be a Muslim woman
     Reply #51 - October 08, 2013, 02:22 AM

    Look what she wrote now:
    http://aveilandadarkplace.com/2013/10/04/oppressor-a-poem/comment-page-1/#comment-578

    __________________________________________________
    Oppressor
    (after Patricia Smith)
     

    They call me oppressor, and I have the world’s glory.
     
    It’s in the moon’s milk draining from full
    to crescent over a world that watches me fold
    back my sleeves. I double my belt, curl my right hand
    into a cup to wash myself holy. I polish
    even my feet clean, five times a day, my soles, they’re
    cleaner than your hands, my toes, they’re cleaner
    than your fingers. This clean? I have nothing
    to apologize for. Oppress them? I want nothing from them
    the Great Satans, but distance.
     
    My place in the world is golden and burnished,
    with the lines clear, ropes tight, chains glowing.
    Gates and poles and safe places, where daughters are not
    sluts walking the streets, their skin not beacons
    for men and dogs to sense and ravage,
    where daughters do not drown their throats
    with intoxicating poison. Daughters do not unlayer
    their clothes down to dirty dishrags like their faces
    to sop up and swallow every man’s honor, leaving salt.
     
    It is no coincidence that here the sun is so high and strong.
    The land stays dry and sweet, and nothing hides,
    no human souls are suctioned and splintered.
    Only a whore’s womb has teeth, and here we have
    no whores.
     
    I want nothing
    from them, but distance.
     
    Look at the difference between us.
    I prostrate on the floor because my back is strong
    enough to bend. With beads on threads, I
    count how many ways I can turn my submission
    to strength.
     
    If my forehead taps the floor, who knows what earth-
    quakes it could inspire with its waves?
    Morality. Clarity. Chastity. Strength.
    They fear me when I am on my knees most of all.
    They wish they were this clean.
     
    I know how to keep what is mine and keep her clean
    like I made her to start with.
     
    My daughter was a whore too, and I showed her how knees
    can bend, because she liked to bend them, so I bent
    them the other way over carpet. Mint,
    lipstick, and cigarette ash don’t smell very clean together,
    do they, so don’t open your mouth, but it is so wide you
    force me to slam it shut with my fist until your knees stop
    bending and your belly starts like a worm,
    how many times did your belly start,
    lower than the earth Adam was shaped from?
     
    I’d tell them my daughter was a whore too.
    She struck the earth
    with the spikes of her heels and her ass
    in the air, her heels are in red ribbons now.
    They could never do that.
    The mouth she used to rub my name
    into shit swollen like a melon, big-
    ger than my hand, than the sun, and she could
    not swallow her own blood before it choked her.
    Because she liked to gag, the bitch, so I let her:
     
    how dare she think that body was hers
    to destroy when it was a bounty,
    and I created it, I nourished it, it is only and ever
    mine.
     
    They call me the oppressor—when they are the ones
    who stole what I made and bent her with their filthy
    thoughts, their lies and words and drink.
    I want nothing from them–
    they would sully even my trash.
     
    I have my own world.
     
    And it will stay mine.
     

    -Marwa

    ________________________________________________

    So much talent. This woman is a treasure.

    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • ex-Muslim woman on what it is like to be a Muslim woman
     Reply #52 - October 08, 2013, 07:59 AM

    Talent can fight for good or evil, I say walk the line in between (because there is no good or evil?). That is excellent though, for it's objective. You might call it an 'intense' poem.

    ETA - There is no good or evil, just shades of life. (don't know what the fuck it means, but it sounds deep and meaningful, I will have to think up some bullshit to give it meaning.

    FurtherETA - told you it was confusing, she is an ex-muslim, I thought she was still writing from an muslim POV. My very bad.

    Still - There is no good or bad, just shades of life.

    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • ex-Muslim woman on what it is like to be a Muslim woman
     Reply #53 - October 08, 2013, 08:05 AM

    You can call me 3. I am not picky.
    I will say I don't know anything about writing a script. The only project managers I know are in Information Technology.
    Don't movies start with scripts, and then go to boards, like a comic strip, or an advertising proposal?
    Maybe a comic would be more affordable..
    There must be people here who can draw. Who's that girl who did the comic on the Iranian revolution? Marjane Satrapi's Persepolis? That went over well, and she left out color, I believe.


    Lol 3

    I wasn't thinking about a cast of thousands and Bollywood dance numbers. Chewing the cud, a play, a two people scene if need be, ten scenes at most, a short skit, to be educational, informative and entertaining as per the BBC. Subject matter - to get thinking muslims to think but with a different bent. How? idk, well I know how it shouldn't be done - not science, not confrontation, not logic, doesn't leave much but there lays the treasure.

    It doesn't matter if people don't know how 'technically' a script need to be laid out, that is piss easy, as long as one of us knows, the other's just have to direct with ideas and devices, so to speak.

    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • ex-Muslim woman on what it is like to be a Muslim woman
     Reply #54 - October 08, 2013, 03:33 PM

    Poetry confuses me. Was that a poem. It just seems like prose but the sentences start on a new line when in real prose their would be a comma. Perhaps because I am shit at it, which frustrates me as I like the written word - countdown/puzzles/cryptic crosswords/etc but cant get my head around poetry, it has to rhyme dammit. pretty envious of HM's and Jedi's skillz on the rap thread.

    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • ex-Muslim woman on what it is like to be a Muslim woman
     Reply #55 - October 08, 2013, 03:42 PM

    If you write a script on it, share!


    I do have a script if you want to read. No pressure. It might not be up your street, a sorta cross between Lock, Stock and Rush Hour, it does tackle 'cultural' aspects because you see Pakistan through a white man's eye.

    It was written six/seven years ago, before I ever surfed the net, (the re-write would be cooler and I think my kidnap victim needs to change her gender) and I think my dialogue is ok.

    I'd suggest reading first 5-10 pages, if you like it, carry on, if not forget it.

    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • ex-Muslim woman on what it is like to be a Muslim woman
     Reply #56 - October 08, 2013, 03:57 PM

    Thanks for the input everyone. I have nothing to contribute but this thread is providing me a view to my questions regarding women and Islam.
  • ex-Muslim woman on what it is like to be a Muslim woman
     Reply #57 - October 09, 2013, 12:44 AM

    Poetry confuses me. Was that a poem. It just seems like prose but the sentences start on a new line when in real prose their would be a comma. Perhaps because I am shit at it, which frustrates me as I like the written word - countdown/puzzles/cryptic crosswords/etc but cant get my head around poetry, it has to rhyme dammit. pretty envious of HM's and Jedi's skillz on the rap thread.


    If you heard it read, it would be easier to follow. Sometimes free form is like that.

    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • ex-Muslim woman on what it is like to be a Muslim woman
     Reply #58 - October 09, 2013, 12:50 AM

    Lol 3

    I wasn't thinking about a cast of thousands and Bollywood dance numbers. Chewing the cud, a play, a two people scene if need be, ten scenes at most, a short skit, to be educational, informative and entertaining as per the BBC. Subject matter - to get thinking muslims to think but with a different bent. How? idk, well I know how it shouldn't be done - not science, not confrontation, not logic, doesn't leave much but there lays the treasure.

    It doesn't matter if people don't know how 'technically' a script need to be laid out, that is piss easy, as long as one of us knows, the other's just have to direct with ideas and devices, so to speak.



    I think confrontation could be a good teacher, it also grabs the attention.

    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • ex-Muslim woman on what it is like to be a Muslim woman
     Reply #59 - October 09, 2013, 12:51 AM

    I do have a script if you want to read. No pressure. It might not be up your street, a sorta cross between Lock, Stock and Rush Hour, it does tackle 'cultural' aspects because you see Pakistan through a white man's eye.

    It was written six/seven years ago, before I ever surfed the net, (the re-write would be cooler and I think my kidnap victim needs to change her gender) and I think my dialogue is ok.

    I'd suggest reading first 5-10 pages, if you like it, carry on, if not forget it.


    I'd like to read it, please. I hope it's not in Pashto. My Pashto is deplorable.

    Don't let Hitler have the street.
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