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  • Can we make a Change?
     Reply #30 - August 09, 2013, 01:04 AM
    Quote from: Quod Sum Eris on August 08, 2013, 04:57 PM
    It's not just that. There's grooming gangs raping children and forcing them into sexual slavery, the words "Kuffar bitch" and "Kuffar whores" were used. Social services and the police for a while didn't investigate for fear of being labelled racist according to some news outlets. There was also a few years back a group of muslim women who wanted to go round school talking about the normality of domestic abuse in muslim families and in this country there are sever laws against that and they can get protection. Schools didn't take them up of it because they were targeting other muslims. Which is racist.


    Really?! In Europe? Why haven't I ever heard about that :/ I've definitely heard cases like that but it's among African or Asian Muslims but holy shit Angry
    turnipovich
  • Can we make a Change?
     Reply #31 - August 09, 2013, 01:11 AM
    Quote from: Quod Sum Eris on August 08, 2013, 05:37 PM
    Ditto. And another question, going back to the going to the press thing. can they not change your name or just have you listed as anonymous for your protection?


    I believe I'm able to be anonymous but where can I get support or evidence? I doubt any Muslim/ex-Muslim who experienced abuse such as FGM would speak against it, especially to the press. If I can collect people (which is unlikely), I could go to the press.
    turnipovich
  • Can we make a Change?
     Reply #32 - August 09, 2013, 01:21 AM
    Quote from: billy on August 08, 2013, 05:22 PM
    Mia, I'm glad you've found this forum.


    Thank you Smiley I was a member of this forum when I was 13 but due to some issues (children protective services 'involvement'), I was gone for years but now I'm back and alive dance
    turnipovich
  • Can we make a Change?
     Reply #33 - August 09, 2013, 01:24 AM
    Quote from: Mia on August 09, 2013, 01:04 AM
    Really?! In Europe? Why haven't I ever heard about that :/ I've definitely heard cases like that but it's among African or Asian Muslims but holy shit Angry

    Jup. A couple of links for you:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-23079649

    Imams found it necessary to tell their congregations that they shouldn't do that shit:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-23087686

    Well, they aren't white British converts to Islam, so you could make the argument they are Asian (Pakistani, as far as I've cared to read).
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  • Can we make a Change?
     Reply #34 - August 09, 2013, 01:41 AM
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PivWY9wn5ps
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Can we make a Change?
     Reply #35 - August 09, 2013, 02:18 AM
    Quote from: Nikolaj on August 09, 2013, 01:24 AM
    Jup. A couple of links for you:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-23079649

    Imams found it necessary to tell their congregations that they shouldn't do that shit:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-23087686

    Well, they aren't white British converts to Islam, so you could make the argument they are Asian (Pakistani, as far as I've cared to read).



    Thank you for the links!
    turnipovich
  • Can we make a Change?
     Reply #36 - August 09, 2013, 12:02 PM
    All I can say is that attitude is changing.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Can we make a Change?
     Reply #37 - August 09, 2013, 12:04 PM
    @Mia
    sorry to hear about your story, dear  Cry

    btw, anybody can tell me the exact position in Islamic law regarding FGM? from what i've heard it has no base in Islamic teachings, unlike circumcision.

    as for the grooming gangs of UK, reading about it makes my blood boil.
    the media called them Asian, funny how in USA and Canada, Asian means people of Chinese Descent (since China has the biggest population in Asia and the world too), but in UK the word Asian means someone of Pakistani, Afghanistan, Persian, or Arabian descent. they call these grooming gangs Asian men because they dare not mention their religion and country of origin. but they're all muslim, and mostly from Pakistan.
    ohh.. also Labour MP Yasmin Qureshi said that it has nothing to do with religion and race. FUCK THAT!!
    now every time i read story of a girl getting raped in UK, the first that come to my mind is Muslim

    UK really has gone down the drain with their political correctness. i remember as a child, at every World Cup there's always a story about British Hooligans making a riot, now they can't do shit against Sharia Enforced Zone and Sharia Patrol. UK may kick Abu Qatada after fighting for it for a long time, but they still got that basterd Anjem Choudary
    i really wish someone would shut that piece of shit  finmad
  • Can we make a Change?
     Reply #38 - August 09, 2013, 12:16 PM
    Quote from: hikaru.13 on August 09, 2013, 12:04 PM
    the media called them Asian, funny how in USA and Canada, Asian means people of Chinese Descent (since China has the biggest population in Asia and the world too), but in UK the word Asian means someone of Pakistani, Afghanistan, Persian, or Arabian descent.

    In continental Europe (well, technically I'm on an Island as well, but hey...) I think "Asian" generally means anyone with slanted eyes from that part of the world. Indians are called Indians. Pakistanis Pakistani. Irani Irani. Middle Eastern Middle Eastern. North Africans - uhm - Middle Eastern.

    It is just the British being silly. Again. grin12
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  • Can we make a Change?
     Reply #39 - August 09, 2013, 12:22 PM
    @nikolaj
    come to think of it, Middle Eastern is too long and the definition is too broad, i know i said i'm of Middle Eastern descent but i think from now on i'll use the term "Arabs", same thing for North Africans
  • Can we make a Change?
     Reply #40 - August 09, 2013, 12:30 PM
    Uh oh - I think you just invited some tough love from the berbers hanging out around here Tongue

    Then there are the Kurds, Turks (and Turk-derived nations beyond Turkey), Armenians and probably a whole bunch of other non-Arab ethnic groups in the general Arab area all being Middle Eastern but not Arab.
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  • Can we make a Change?
     Reply #41 - August 09, 2013, 01:04 PM
    my bad, i think i kinda categorized them by the language they're speaking  Embarrassed
    sorry about that
  • Can we make a Change?
     Reply #42 - August 09, 2013, 02:16 PM
    Most Asians in the UK aren't from the far east, they're from the middle east. It's also worth noting not everyone has an encyclopedic knowledge of differing racial characteristics. Give me a few random people from Korea, Philippines, China, Japan, Thailand, Taiwan, and tell me to point out where each is descended from. I'll probably be wrong more than I'm right. It's like I couldn't tell you a racial difference between someone from Zimbabwe, Uganda and Kenya. I know there are regional, tribal and cultural differences, but from a physical standpoint? I have no clue. I just see black people.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Can we make a Change?
     Reply #43 - August 09, 2013, 03:56 PM
    I wonder how  england let these people build mosques and islam school  wacko   
    I got afraid when i arrived here in england, i thought that my parents would force me to go to a muslim school
    but luckily i'm not...

    I got a schock when i read this

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/8150247/Muslim-pupils-learn-to-cut-off-hands-of-thieves.html
  • Can we make a Change?
     Reply #44 - August 09, 2013, 04:03 PM
    Faith schools are always a topic. Most people simply don't like them. I am encouraged by how more and more in this country are seeing religion as a force for evil more than good. The criticisms are important for growth. I don't think islam will die any time soon, but I do think it will have no choice but to adapt to the 21st century and then the 22nd century after that. Most people don't care or even agree when they turn on the telly and see high paid comedians mocking religion. When that's a huge and growing number, it's something to think about.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Can we make a Change?
     Reply #45 - August 09, 2013, 07:26 PM
    Quote from: hikaru.13 on August 09, 2013, 12:04 PM
    @Mia
    sorry to hear about your story, dear  Cry

    btw, anybody can tell me the exact position in Islamic law regarding FGM? from what i've heard it has no base in Islamic teachings, unlike circumcision.

    as for the grooming gangs of UK, reading about it makes my blood boil.
    the media called them Asian, funny how in USA and Canada, Asian means people of Chinese Descent (since China has the biggest population in Asia and the world too), but in UK the word Asian means someone of Pakistani, Afghanistan, Persian, or Arabian descent. they call these grooming gangs Asian men because they dare not mention their religion and country of origin. but they're all muslim, and mostly from Pakistan.
    ohh.. also Labour MP Yasmin Qureshi said that it has nothing to do with religion and race. FUCK THAT!!
    now every time i read story of a girl getting raped in UK, the first that come to my mind is Muslim

    UK really has gone down the drain with their political correctness. i remember as a child, at every World Cup there's always a story about British Hooligans making a riot, now they can't do shit against Sharia Enforced Zone and Sharia Patrol. UK may kick Abu Qatada after fighting for it for a long time, but they still got that basterd Anjem Choudary
    i really wish someone would shut that piece of shit  finmad


    In Islam, FGM is halal (acceptable) but it's not practiced among all Muslims. It typically occurs among Africans, Middle Easterns (eg. Yemeni people), and other Asian groups. That's true, the term, "Asian" typically refers to east-Asians in North America but I call anyone who is from Asia as Asians even though it confuses people here whistling2 
    turnipovich
  • Can we make a Change?
     Reply #46 - August 09, 2013, 07:29 PM
    Quote from: INcePtion on August 09, 2013, 03:56 PM
    I wonder how  england let these people build mosques and islam school  wacko   
    I got afraid when i arrived here in england, i thought that my parents would force me to go to a muslim school
    but luckily i'm not...

    I got a schock when i read this

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/8150247/Muslim-pupils-learn-to-cut-off-hands-of-thieves.html



    I've went to an Islamic school for a month. Not a great experience. We don't really have 'real' discussions like public schools and we don't teach controversial subjects that are against Islam. Some of the stuff they teach us is fucked but we can't question, we just have to accept and conform Undecided
    turnipovich
  • Can we make a Change?
     Reply #47 - August 09, 2013, 07:30 PM
    Islam will evolve or die. That simple.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Can we make a Change?
     Reply #48 - August 09, 2013, 09:21 PM
    @mia   i feel very sad about ur situation but i think we should do something...
    We cant live with fear...
    We r here to help each other so dnt worry u r not alone  far away hug
  • Can we make a Change?
     Reply #49 - August 10, 2013, 04:48 PM
    Thank you INcePion and hikaru Smiley
    turnipovich
  • Can we make a Change?
     Reply #50 - August 10, 2013, 08:32 PM
    Just by existing in the open, ex-Muslims can make a very positive change. And also raising children with free inquisitive minds will contribute a lot to the future. I am pretty positive that ex-Muslims have already started to make a big difference.

    Best time to come out to family is when you are financially independent though. And when you do come out, don't beat yourself up about "offending" your parents, instead focus on the positive implications for future generations.
  • Re: Can we make a Change?
     Reply #51 - August 10, 2013, 08:40 PM
    Quote from: Quod Sum Eris on August 09, 2013, 07:30 PM
    Islam will evolve or die. That simple.


    100% agreed. I've been saying this for a long time. We either evolve; or we'll be left behind in the dustbin of history.
  • Can we make a Change?
     Reply #52 - August 10, 2013, 08:48 PM
    Quote from: Tonyt on August 10, 2013, 08:32 PM
    Just by existing in the open, ex-Muslims can make a very positive change.


    Fully agree. It's been said that perhaps ex-muslims can learn something from the gay community. I think there's some truth in that. We need an ex-muslim Martin Luther King.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Can we make a Change?
     Reply #53 - August 10, 2013, 09:00 PM
    Quote from: Quod Sum Eris on August 08, 2013, 01:23 PM
    In my area most either don't have a religion or don't believe in god. The majority don't believe in god. Yay for my area of England!


    Nottingham right, I am aware how stalkerish I sound but I've been reading these posts for a while, Nottingham is where my journey to Islam started, and about 4 of my ex-fiancé's friends became Muslim, Oh he was from Nottingham. Maybe they hide from society
    "Make anyone believe their own knowledge and logic is insufficient and you'll have a puppet susceptible to manipulation."
  • Can we make a Change?
     Reply #54 - August 10, 2013, 09:06 PM
    Nottinghamshire. I'm actually in a town about half an hour away.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Can we make a Change?
     Reply #55 - August 10, 2013, 09:49 PM
    Quote from: Tonyt on August 10, 2013, 08:32 PM
    Just by existing in the open, ex-Muslims can make a very positive change. And also raising children with free inquisitive minds will contribute a lot to the future. I am pretty positive that ex-Muslims have already started to make a big difference.

    Best time to come out to family is when you are financially independent though. And when you do come out, don't beat yourself up about "offending" your parents, instead focus on the positive implications for future generations.


    Thats what I think too.

    I personally can't wait till my whole family finds out i'm no longer a Muslim. My community of Muslim family and Muslim friends probably cannot fathom the concept of an ex-muslim. It just doesn't happen. By me coming out, they're all in for a massive shock. And the idea of rebellion just seems so...daring. The espionage factor is exhilarating. dance
  • Can we make a Change?
     Reply #56 - August 10, 2013, 10:01 PM
    Well Mr Bond, we leave it in your hands.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Can we make a Change?
     Reply #57 - August 10, 2013, 10:21 PM
    Quote from: Kingsaab on August 10, 2013, 09:49 PM
    Thats what I think too.

    I personally can't wait till my whole family finds out i'm no longer a Muslim. My community of Muslim family and Muslim friends probably cannot fathom the concept of an ex-muslim. It just doesn't happen. By me coming out, they're all in for a massive shock. And the idea of rebellion just seems so...daring. The espionage factor is exhilarating. dance

     

    Unlike most teenagers I am not a rebellious person at all.  I prefer to avoid confrontation whenever possible.   I have a pretty conservative personality.  ( I will prefer a nice lunch with a friend over going and partying and when I do drink I prefer to drink for the taste and not to get drunk or wasted).

    However being an ex muslim has forced me into a position where when coming out I have to argue/fight with people just to get them to leave me alone.  Really! all that drama just to get people to stop forcing me to follow their religion.

    When I do come out I just want to get the confrontation/fights/emotional drama part over as soon as I can.

    But I think the emotional family drama is going to be a lifelong problem.   
    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • Can we make a Change?
     Reply #58 - August 10, 2013, 10:38 PM
    You're Canadian right? They aren't as religious as the US from what I know. About from the family is it hard to get away from religion?
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Can we make a Change?
     Reply #59 - August 10, 2013, 11:12 PM
    I decided to leave quietly once I finish university or maybe write a goodbye letter and confess my atheistic beliefs. I don't believe I would have the guts to come out to my parents in person, especially to my father. Because my father is an influential figure in the Muslim communities in North America, it's risky to say, "I'm an ex-Muslim." I have a feeling that the community and family members would come after my ass but I believe I would inspire a few people within the community to leave Islam. I know I'm not the only closet ex-Muslim atheist in the community, there must be someone like me.
    turnipovich
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