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  • Subhan'myself I'm here
     OP - August 16, 2013, 04:12 PM

    Hello everyone, I like many others, have been a silent observer on this website and finally feel the time is right to join up and add myself to the many that have *come out*.

    I still, however, feel it difficult to shake off the consequences of the mind conditioning I have been subjected since a child, to the point I even thought the fact that I kept receiving an "an error has occurred" message upon registering on here could only mean Allah was shielding me away, surely my eyes and ears have not been sealed after all, subhan'Allah.

    I am a thirty year old mother and wife from a dual religion background. My story is long and complicated, but I really just wanted to thank everyone here, your stories have been inspiring and your topics have been illumanating and entertaining too!

    Balancing-actor
  • Subhan'myself I'm here
     Reply #1 - August 16, 2013, 04:48 PM

    Welcome welcome, Balancing-actor! I'm glad you decided to join, and I do hope you'll share your story. It sounds very interesting!

     parrot parrot bunny bunny

    The only thing we have to fear is fear itself
    - 32nd United States President Franklin D. Roosevelt
  • Subhan'myself I'm here
     Reply #2 - August 16, 2013, 05:47 PM

    Welcome to the forum Balancing-actor, really happy you have found us  Smiley

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Subhan'myself I'm here
     Reply #3 - August 16, 2013, 06:07 PM

    I wish to hear this story. Also welcome

    ***~Church is where bad people go to hide~***
  • Subhan'myself I'm here
     Reply #4 - August 16, 2013, 06:12 PM

    Hah, nice thread title, welcome!

    fuck you
  • Subhan'myself I'm here
     Reply #5 - August 16, 2013, 07:08 PM

    Welcome abroad Balancing-actor !  parrot bunny
  • Subhan'myself I'm here
     Reply #6 - August 16, 2013, 07:13 PM

    Welcome! I'm Canadian, so no parrot for you. The one I could give is obviously not from a pet store, as it looks like it was raised in its indigenous environment.  Instead, have some bunnies!  bunny  bunny  bunny  bunny  bunny  bunny  bunny  bunny  bunny  bunny  bunny  bunny  bunny
  • Subhan'myself I'm here
     Reply #7 - August 16, 2013, 10:18 PM

    Thank you all for your welcomes  Smiley  This is the first forum I have posted in so please forgive me for my lack of etiquette.
    I am not clued up on what should be a thread and what or how much should be posted as a reply, so you may have to guide me (ha ha) and show me the way.  I have just typed out a long-ass reply about my life but now worried it may be the wrong place to post such a wordy account, is there another section for this?



     


  • Subhan'myself I'm here
     Reply #8 - August 16, 2013, 10:20 PM

    Welcome! Afro

    turnipovich
  • Subhan'myself I'm here
     Reply #9 - August 16, 2013, 10:36 PM

    This being your introduction thread, it's a fine place to post a story about yourself. You could also post it in Ex-Muslim Blogs and Bios if you like.

    Don't worry too much about what to post where, you will get the hang of the place after awhile. And in the meantime the mods can move stuff for you if it really ends up in the wrong place. Smiley

    The only thing we have to fear is fear itself
    - 32nd United States President Franklin D. Roosevelt
  • Subhan'myself I'm here
     Reply #10 - August 16, 2013, 10:57 PM

    Hey welcome! Nice to have you there  parrot     Smiley
  • Subhan'myself I'm here
     Reply #11 - August 16, 2013, 11:08 PM

    " A real muslim loves Allah and his prophet more than his own children, everything you do is for the sake of Allah. Everything you have is because of Allah. You know that feeling in your heart that you cannot describe, that is your love for Allah. Be patient and strong in your deen and Allah will help you".

    At the time, I wish I could have been strong enough to reply "Auntie, the thing is, I don't have that feeling in my heart. I don't feel a thing" but what came out was "InshaAllah". Infact, that is all I seem to say to the muslim side of my family. "InshaAllah, I will start wearing the hijab soon". "InshaAllah I will enrol my kids on a weekend madrassa". InshaAllah, InshaAllah, InshaAllah........

    The very phrase InshaAllah assumes a different possibility of outcomes, but it is without a doubt that the outcome that I am non-believer, for them, is most definitley not a possibilty. I have hinted at this notion a number of times with a level of tact, explaining that I am finding myself challenging the Quran, asking too many questions such as Why is it speaking to a man, why should a man sleep with whatever his right hand possesses, why are the houri's fair skinned and in anycase why the heck are there houri's at all, since there are no heaven-hunks for the ladies.

    I found myself at the islamic conference in Leicester, an attempt to put me on the straight path and beat the shit out of the shaytan who was obviously trying to lead my mind and faith astray. It turned out, I embarrased the shit out of my well-meaning muslimah friend as I stood up and asked Abu Aminah Bilal Phillips why doesn't the animal kingdom observe Islam and why don't Chimps pray. I was 15, and they all just thought I was very dumb, some were very angry that I wasted such a knowledable scholars time with a childish question. That night the *sisters* stayed up until early hours spooking each other with scary Djinn stories.

    The thing is it's all been quite messy for me right from the beginning. Born to an English mother with hardcore East-End parents, I was the outcome of holiday romance which broke their heart. My granddad had been in the Sudan and came back with the advice "Never turn your back on an Arab". I could be rude at this point, but for the sake of decency I wont Smiley

    My mum was afraid and gave me an English name and had me Christened. At that time my dad ( a berber incidently not an Arab) wasn't particularly interested. Too busy shmoozing the next lot of tourists off of the Royal Air Maroc flight. All he told my obsessive mum was " Do not bring her anywhere near where I work, my family must never know about this".

    For the first six or seven years of my life everything seemed not so confusing. Then my dad came over, married my mum and my name was changed completely. First and Second. From a fully English name to this strange hard to pronounce foreign name. I had a breakdown that I was 8 years old and couldn't spell my own name!!

    Overnight I went from being this English kid to this little muslim girl who was all of a sudden attending Quran evening classes. My mum also dumped the English childminder too and quickly hired a Pakistani lady.

    My mum 'reverted' to Islam and from then on it was all InshaAllah's, BismiAllah's, MashaAllah's etc.

    I went back and forwards like a yo- yo, good muslim girl at 9, teenage angst fuelled rebel at 14 (Kurt Cobain was my God for a good few years) and then I decided to go live in Morocco with my berber family for a few years, donned the hijab and played good muslim girl. I don't think I ever actually believed as such, but I loved my family and the country and the sense of identity. Then I was forced back by my mum who missed my too much and thought I should go to college and Uni in England. That I did and moved in with my nan who could easily Chair the England Against Islam society. She told me that I had been brainwashed and that I should go out and enjoy life and love many and marry none.

    I ditched Islam again, went back to using my English name and fell in love with an English guy. My nan was thrilled that I wasn't following my mum and everything was ok.

    Until our relationship came to an end, and in the throws of heartache I co-incidently met a guy with the same dual- ethnicity as myself in a very English area. This was fate surely, Allah was there all along, guiding me back to what was right. We got married (well Nickah marraige) within three months of meeting, had a baby three months after that.

    11 years on and I am still this walking Identity Crisis.  I still flit between my english name and my arabic name, depending on how I feel. I tell muslims I am muslim and tell non-muslims that I am not. ( And then worry that I am the type mentioned in the Quran who lie about believing to non-muslims).

    Both sets of our parents have become more religious with age and increasingly judgemental. They are both choosing to spend much more time in Morocco, more time there than here. I can't tell any of them apart from my mum how I feel.

    My children's father who does believe but doesn't practise is so upset that I have told him that I feel more like a non muslim each day, he now lives with his parents until I see the light!

    I am so confused what to do regarding my children. My son is questioning why I don't pray and is full of criticism. He wants to practise but I am not teaching him much at all. He talks about Allah all of the time and although he goes to a church school, he tells his friends he is a proud muslim.

    I attended this Muslim Sisters group in my area to try and re-gain Faith, but because my sister in law is friends with them all and I suspect she doesn't like the idea of me getting close with her set of friends, they have not welcomed me as I had  expected. To the extent of not returning Eid well wishes etc.  

    I really only went there for my son, I thought that if I somehow recieve that lightening bolt 'reverts' seem to get, then it would be good for him.

    I am so scared and ashamed that he is being brought up with the same messed up identity as myself. As a parent you always want to break the cycle and give your children better than what you had.

    I am also scared that if I bring my children up liberal and free thinking, they will be punished if there really is such a thing as Allah.

    I had a breakdown a few days ago that I should up and leave and take us all to Morocco too. For them, the kids. To have a fluid and consistent childhood. But then I came across this website again, and well you can guess the rest.

    Thank you very much for reading this extremely long About Me. Apologies if it doesn't make much sense, I have typed and typed without checking it over as I am afraid I will delete the whole lot and remain a silent observer.




  • Subhan'myself I'm here
     Reply #12 - August 16, 2013, 11:10 PM

    Wow that's long - sorry folks
  • Subhan'myself I'm here
     Reply #13 - August 16, 2013, 11:14 PM

    Oooh, oooh! BerberElla, we got another North African halfy and this one is even half Berber Moroccan like you!  dance I go tell her you're here.  grin12

    fuck you
  • Subhan'myself I'm here
     Reply #14 - August 16, 2013, 11:16 PM

    Wow that's long - sorry folks


    Don't apologise, we are here to be a place where people going through what you are going through can get it off their chest and share your experiences.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Subhan'myself I'm here
     Reply #15 - August 16, 2013, 11:30 PM

    Ha ha, BerberElla is a great name. The thing is I love my heritage, its the religion that is the thorn in my foot.

    Thank you Billy, it feels good to get all that out there, even if I do run the risk of being found out!

    I forgot to say the real turning point came a few months ago, my brother has totally denounced Islam and although he hasn't exactly told me, I think he is gay. I stupidly spoke to my close friend who is the same person that took me to the leicester conference many years ago, and her words gave me the really wake up call. She told me I must tell him to stop right away, and that if he was in a muslim country we would be encouraged to beat him with stones, if he chose not to repent, the stones would continue to be pelted at him until death. Now, of course I am aware of stoning etc, however to hear it come from someone so easily, who has always appeared compassionate and non-judgmental only helpful, this was a wake up call. I can no longer be a part of belief system that encourages such brutality.

  • Subhan'myself I'm here
     Reply #16 - August 16, 2013, 11:39 PM

    How utterly sad ^^^

    And yeah, Bilal Phillips is a horrible creep of a man. Its men like him making da'wah to young people, and all those organisations that promote him and people like him, that causes so much division and prejudice

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Subhan'myself I'm here
     Reply #17 - August 17, 2013, 12:28 AM

    What a moving post. Welcome to the forum. I'm glad you found it.
  • Subhan'myself I'm here
     Reply #18 - August 17, 2013, 02:20 AM

    Welcome. Love many and marry none. Your grandma sounds like an interesting woman.

    Don't worry about how much you write, it's your thread and you seem like you have a lot to get off your chest. Everyone here understands  Smiley

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Subhan'myself I'm here
     Reply #19 - August 17, 2013, 03:39 AM

    Ha ha, BerberElla is a great name. The thing is I love my heritage, its the religion that is the thorn in my foot.


    Yeah this particular halfy sand negress is the same with that so you guys will get along great I think whenever she comes along. Tongue One of the forum founders by the way and also a mother. Youze haz much 2 discuss.

    But in other news can I get a WHAT WHAT for all of these halfy sand niggaz? We will conquer the world someday. Tongue

    fuck you
  • Subhan'myself I'm here
     Reply #20 - August 18, 2013, 01:16 AM

    Balancing-actor, was very interesting reading your story. Glad to have you here. It sounds like you are in a complex and precarious position, much more difficult than any situation I've found myself in, and though I can't offer any advice, I will say that you seem like a rational, intelligent, and level-headed person who will ultimately manage to find some answers or peace.
  • Subhan'myself I'm here
     Reply #21 - August 18, 2013, 09:19 AM

    Thank you everyone.

    I have spent the past few nights staying up until early hours, reading your threads and thinking:

    1. That is *exactly* how I feel.

    2. That is so true.

    3. Bloody Hell, these people are too friggin intelligent and articulate.

    4. Retreat, retreat, retreat - I can't contribute to these discussions with my lack of scientific knowledge and inability to write a piece worthy of a the Nobel Prize a la Quod Sum Eris, Ishina and the Almighty Happymurtad.

    But I will stick around, if only for the reason that for the first time in my life, I finally feel that turning my back on Islam is the right thing to do. Its one thing for non-muslims to tell you that Islam is a load of BS. You feel encouraged but never truly understood. For people who once upon time called themselves muslim to support and encourage you, feels like something different altogether.





  • Subhan'myself I'm here
     Reply #22 - August 18, 2013, 09:24 AM

    "Love many and marry none. Your grandma sounds like an interesting woman."

    She is indeed Smiley. Her advice stems more from the things she hasn't done in her life than what she has though.

    One thing is certain though, she is hands down more charitable, kind, compassionate and honest than most muslims I know. And if she is going to Hell for not believing in Allah, then I am happy to go with her. Cheesy
  • Subhan'myself I'm here
     Reply #23 - August 18, 2013, 03:39 PM

    Welcome, Balancing-actor. As one who lives in Leicester, I completely understand where you're coming from with all the dawah shit. If I have any advice to give it is to take a deep breath and let it roll right past you. I am seriously one step from openly saying to the next muslim to offer me dawah "I'm sorry, but I'm not a muslim", and am weighing it up with how deeply it will hurt my wife and the fallout. It all makes for a headache that goes on and on.  Cry

    Thank you everyone.

    I have spent the past few nights staying up until early hours, reading your threads and thinking:

    1. That is *exactly* how I feel.

    2. That is so true.

    3. Bloody Hell, these people are too friggin intelligent and articulate.

    4. Retreat, retreat, retreat - I can't contribute to these discussions with my lack of scientific knowledge and inability to write a piece worthy of a the Nobel Prize a la Quod Sum Eris, Ishina and the Almighty Happymurtad.

    But I will stick around, if only for the reason that for the first time in my life, I finally feel that turning my back on Islam is the right thing to do. Its one thing for non-muslims to tell you that Islam is a load of BS. You feel encouraged but never truly understood. For people who once upon time called themselves muslim to support and encourage you, feels like something different altogether.


    Don't worry about the intellectual types. They have their uses.  Wink It is our job to bring them down to Earth and get them to speak in layman terms. They are very intelligent people who need to remember the following:

    1. Communication is the key to spreading the word.

    2. The definition of Communication (in a marketing sense) is 'Behavioural Change'. i.e. what you communicate must lead to a positive outcome (the one you wanted).

    3. So Communication has to be in a language that is understood and doesn't turn the recipient away or intimidate them.

    I'm positive the third point is missed by most of the brilliant minds we look up to who represent apostasy and atheism and is the main reason it isn't gaining as much strategic momentum as it should. With more people like you, me and most of us on these boards involved, we can hopefully balance message and meaning.

    Blimey I took a long time to say all that. Communication in action!  Afro

    Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise cannot see all ends.
  • Subhan'myself I'm here
     Reply #24 - August 18, 2013, 04:54 PM

    I think I get my point across well in terms everyone can understand. And yay I'm nobel prize material! And mentioned first  dance

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Subhan'myself I'm here
     Reply #25 - August 18, 2013, 06:12 PM

    You do, Quod. Smiley

    I just think that in general there's some highbrow speak that comes from the atheist fraternity. Some would say that Dawkin's God Delusion is mainstream, but seriously you would lose most people not long into it, and not necessarily because it is difficult to understand (some parts are), but because of its vocabulary. I swear if more books on atheism were written in magazine prose more people would be interested in the subject. And this is coming from a lover of English!  Roll Eyes

    Sorry for hijacking your thread, B-a.  lipsrsealed

    Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise cannot see all ends.
  • Subhan'myself I'm here
     Reply #26 - August 18, 2013, 06:39 PM

    To be fair I've never read The God Delusion so I can't say. But if more books were written in magazine form I'd drift off to sleep.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Subhan'myself I'm here
     Reply #27 - August 19, 2013, 04:55 AM

    If it makes you feel better, based on my research out of the hundreds and thousands of religions out there. It's only Islam and Christianity that crams this hell nonsense in it's believers head.  And they both derived from Judeo origins who do not believe in hell. So logic would dictate statistically the idea of a hellfire is not plausible, but only common belief as it has been spread by the two largest religions in the world. And for good reason since hell was the best concept to keep people in the believing which is why Islam and Christianity are the still the two top religions.. what a coincidence. Take out the fear of hell, and they have nothing to keep people believing. Which proves that they are not based on truth but fear.

    ***~Church is where bad people go to hide~***
  • Subhan'myself I'm here
     Reply #28 - August 19, 2013, 08:32 AM

    Hey Balancing-Actor, funny how your life became more Islamic at the same age range as mine.  I'm like you, half Moroccan and half English and it is my mother who is English.  Up until the age of 7 I lived an English life too, but my dad was around and was with my mum for the first 4 years of my life, then from age 4-7 I lived in a children's home, and it is wasn't until I was 7 and my dad married my Moroccan step mum that he became extremely religious, brought us back home and started going gong ho with saving his children's souls.

    Crazy that.  I would ask if that age range sets a panic in them, but seeing how my sister was 9 and my other sister was 3, I doubt it, it's just a coincidence that we both experienced a severe change at that age.

    I often thought to myself that maybe that was why I found being a proper Muslim so hard, and why I find myself now, an ex Muslim.

    Thankfully though, unlike you, I don't have to balance anything.  My parents (step mum and dad) know I am an ex Muslim, they just think I have gone crazy Grin.  I don't mind though, gives me space and gives them peace to believe that.

    I can imagine it's pretty hard for you though, being caught much tighter between your 2 halfs, I never had any contact with my English family until I was in my 20's, and never met my mum until I was 19.  :/  you must feel pulled in so many directions, unsure which side of you is the right side of you. 

    It's nervewracking I know, coming to the conclusion that Islam is false, or if not false, completely misguided, since it seems for you, you are still unsure either way whether allah is real.  For myself I came to the conclusion over 8 years ago that it was a lie, and went through many years of anger with myself for wasting any of my life on it.  Yet finally letting go of it, and of course severing all former ties has freed me to raise my children away from all of that drama.  My kids don't believe in god...I think my middle child (boy) wants to believe in god desperately, but he wants to believe in the Greek gods and the Egyptian gods, and that's purely because of his love for fantasy. Grin  But the other 2 are non believers with no desire to believe, and that makes me happy, makes me worry less for them.

    Maybe in time, in using this forum and interacting with the many ex muslims on here, you will eventually be able to let go of those last dregs of fear you have, and embrace the idea that there is no god, or if there is a god, it's not to be found in Islam, or Christianity, or any religion in it's current form, so that you can reach a mental peace that allows you not to stress about whether to raise your children without the confusion we were raised with.

    It takes time.

    But I urge you not to consider taking them to Morocco to raise them.  All that you believe Morocco could have given them, continuity and such, I guarantee you can give them yourself.  It's not their eventual souls that need saving, it is their current life, the one they will have to live.

    I believe I am waffling now, have only had one coffee so far so this could all sound so jumbled.

    Anyway welcome to the community.  I hope it gives you the peace and the strength that I took from it at my many lost points, and it's great to finally see another Moroccan on the forum....because believe you me, we are a minority on here.   parrot


    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Subhan'myself I'm here
     Reply #29 - August 20, 2013, 10:33 PM

    Welcome to the forum, Balancing-Actor, have a parrot and a bunny parrot  bunny
    It's interesting seeing older Muslims leaving Islam at a later age. I would think that it would be harder to leave something embedded into your brain for such a long time. But I guess your English background equalises the Muslim one a bit. I have a question however, are you still continuing believing in god or are you an athiest?
    Either way, good luck and enjoy your (sorta) liberated mind!

    Just like Johnny Flynn said, the breath I've taken and the one I must to go on.
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