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Reply #60 - September 04, 2013, 12:07 AM

Quote from: Ishina on September 03, 2013, 10:43 PM
Mission failed.

Only because Arthur hasn't taken up my (repeated) suggestion of installing you as head of the EDL and letting CEMB write its manifesto.
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Reply #61 - September 04, 2013, 01:17 AM

Quote from: Quod Sum Eris on September 03, 2013, 11:04 PM
I'll make it simple. The Manifesto, there's chunks of it I agree with. I acknowledge that the mission statement is about none violence, tries to be inclusive to all walks of life, etc but it doesn't play out like that.

People say islam is a religion of peace. Many don't believe that because of the actions of some of the followers. Mock executions, actual executions, death threats, screaming about the kuffar and whatnot.

EDL claims to not be against muslims. but it doesn't play out like that. No more mosques, allah is a peado, paki this and paki that, warnings to all muslims, every muslim watching this on youtube we hold you accountable, and so on.

So even though I read your manifesto with an open mind, even though I agree with some of what I'm reading, whether you personally see it or not does not change the fact that in action, in real life, it's very different.

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If you didn't deliberately go to muslim areas, if you enforced a zero tolerance against racism in all it's forms from your members, if you asked imams to join you for a cuppa and focused all your protesting to the Saudi embassy when they whip or kill someone for being an atheist or force girls to stay inside a burning building to be roasted alive because they aren't covered, did counter protests against extremists at home and PURLY against them, you would come across so much differently, sort of a combination of UAF and One Law For All.

if the EDL can do this, be welcoming to moderate muslims and focus exclusively against the jihadi sympathises and preachers, you will be looked on so differently. Go hold a counter protest to Andy Choudary and his ilk. Protest against them like UAF protests against you. Go hold a counter protest against Sharia Patrol. Go hold a protest against FGM. Protest against forced marriage. Protest about police not wanting to tackle child rapists for fear of being labled racist. And make it exclusively things you SHOULD be protesting about, not marching through Sparkhill or outside mosques and saying to every muslim watching this we are coming for you. Do this, and I promise you the EDL will be seen in a positive light.

That will never ever happen considering the EDL is full of BNP, NF and Combat 18 members, as well as just ignorant racist soccer hooligan chavs. That and it's pretty obvious Tommy Robinson likes provoking the ire of the Muslim community. That's his game plan and why the manifesto and actions of the EDL don't coincide. Piss off Muslims, Muslims get hostile, go back and say "you see the problem?" (like in that misleading fucking video) "but we're not even anti-Muslim, says so right here on our website, see?"

Their founder and leader was a BNP member and more recently the leader of a BNP splinter group. That says all you need to know about the EDL.

The EDL are nothing but fascists in a very shoddy disguise. Smash them wherever you see them. Can't allow either Muslim reactionaries or their anti-Muslim counterparts to control the streets.

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Reply #62 - September 04, 2013, 02:21 AM

Quote from: arthur2 on September 03, 2013, 10:49 PM
How so?

You've failed to protect and promote human rights, failed to promote democracy and the rule of law, failed to educate the public and present to them a balanced picture of Islam, failed to promote the traditions and culture of England, failed at being open to the best that other cultures offer and failed at international solidarity.

Not only have you failed spectacularly to achieve any your trite mission bullet points, you've done and continue to do the total opposite wherever you are found in the world. You've hurt people, infringed their human rights, promoted violence and brute mob rule, broken uncountable laws, completely misinformed those who are naive and impressionable enough to listen to you, presented only a hyperbolic and warped cartoon villain version of Islam, shat on all of the good and decent values of 21st century England, showcased only the very worst of English culture, championed a new wave of intolerance, xenophobia, bigotry, racism, rock-bottom ignorance, overt and unashamed nationalism and fascism, and the only international solidarity you've found is with fringe wingnuts and lunatics like the Pamela Gellars of the world or with fascist outfits just as dangerously idiotic as yours.

You're a fucking embarrassment to England. A disgrace on the national conscience. And it's a fucking insult to everyone's intelligence here when you post your shitty manifesto as though it magically absolves you from your actual manifest conduct in the real world. By your fruits, we shall know you.

Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
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Reply #63 - September 04, 2013, 02:33 AM

this^^^

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Reply #64 - September 04, 2013, 03:19 AM

Arthur, you seem a decent enough fellow, and I don't take any great pleasure in seeing you told to fuck off... BUT... you consistently fail to address the yawning chasm between the fine words of the EDL's manifesto and its thuggish presence on the street.

In doing this, I'm afraid you resemble nothing so much as a Dawah dissimulator hiding behind that old chestnut: 'But it's not the true Islam'.

Until you face the problems within the EDL (specifically its ex-BNP contingent), I'm afraid you'll never convince people that your more noble aspirations are anything but eyewash.

Which would be a shame, because there is common ground to be had. But you must be the ones to show rigour, honesty and good faith. You must move towards that common ground.
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Reply #65 - September 04, 2013, 04:05 AM

But the ex-BNP contingent are the leadership of the organization. Considering they don't have a formal membership or organizational structure, you get rid of Robinson and his cadres and the EDL ceases to exist immediately except on the internet.

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Reply #66 - September 04, 2013, 04:40 AM

^^ A point Arthur might care to address.
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Reply #67 - September 04, 2013, 01:36 PM

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Quote from: arthur2 on September 03, 2013, 10:27 PM
I'm happy to do that, the mission statement of the EDL,
http://www.englishdefenceleague.org/mission-statement/
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Quote from: arthur2 on September 03, 2013, 10:32 PM
More of our mission statement,

(2) DEMOCRACY AND THE RULE OF LAW: Promoting Democracy And The Rule Of Law By Opposing Sharia........

Quote from: arthur2 on September 03, 2013, 10:38 PM
And finally,

(4) RESPECTING TRADITION: Promoting The Traditions And Culture Of England While At The Same Time Being Open To Embrace The Best That Other Cultures Can Offer...........................

Is there anything that you would disagree with in our mission statement?

Arthur.

Thank you for all those three posts and links Mr. Arthur., Well you know nothing is perfect, so obviously there are certain things I disagree with the EDL mission statement. I am sure you also know that it is not only mission statement but the actions on the ground is equally important. Anyways I will respond to the link you provided., But I casually read through this What do we think of the EDL?
Sat, 01/06/2013 - 14:00 . What is your opinion on that? It says

https://d1pc1p4alehi50.cloudfront.net/sites/default/files/news/lies_behind.jpg

(Please click above link) So tell me you being the member of EDL since day one, where do you belong in that Mr. Nick Griffin's statement? I mean

Are you a Neo Con? Ultra Zionist or a Useful idiot? And what is your opinion of Mr. Nick Griffin? Don't you think British Nationals are served better by BNP instead of this breakaway EDL party??

True, I don't understand the difference between BNP and EDL but that is for you to explain. And Please don't take that as I am insulting you, That is directly from BNP site and in CEMB it is billy's job to insult the folks not mine.. ...lol...

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Reply #68 - September 05, 2013, 03:33 PM

Yeezevee,In a way Billy is right, these discussions always go round and round and it's my mistake because I always fall for it and end up defending the EDL instead of debating the problems.

As for the EDL, Douglas Murrey, says it all here,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uNUm9Ic_Kc&feature=youtu.be

I read your link, took me a couple of hours actually and tbh, found it so full conspiracies, half truths and a great many lies, some of the things he says are out right lies because I was there.

The BNP is a racist party and is the very last group that I would turn to to protect my country and Griffin is a fool, he proved as much when he appeared on Question Time.
I have no time for the BNP and never have done or ever will.

You ask me where I stand in the political spectrum and my answer would be in the middle some where but not in any political party as most don't speak for me, ( EDL is not a political party.)
I'm not left or right, I was once, in the 60s, a communist, but stopped when they invaded Czechoslavakia. I oppose all these type invasions, as I do the recent ones in the Middle East and hope that we do not go into Syria.
Thanks for you reply.

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Reply #69 - September 05, 2013, 04:38 PM

I like the fact that muslims can come to a none muslim country and built mosques and worship freely. There are many countries where you don't have this freedom. The freedom to believe or not believe as you see fit without fear of harm is something that should be protected at all costs.

I'm against islamism. I'm against political islam. I don't want to live in a country where this is the majority. I don't want to live in a country with sharia law. I believe sharia law is inferior to modern law. What we have now it's perfect but it's a hell of a lot better than that, and we will continue to improve.

And I even agree with you that we put Christianity in it's place, on my intro post I said Britain worked, indeed fought, for centuries to make fundamental religion a thing of the past and it's a better place for it.

It just comes back to what I said in my last post. Focus on the things you should be focusing on not marching through heavily populated muslim areas chanting allah is a pedo and no more mosques. This does not look inclusive. This looks like the same intolerant fascism you're supposed to be against. Until there is this change, the EDL will continue to be looked down on. Can you see things from the point of view of myself and the other posters?

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Reply #70 - September 05, 2013, 10:52 PM

Quod Sum Eris, two points I disagree with, no more mosques and the reason, some of them hide extremists.
Second point, this is England, there are no Muslim areas, only English areas.

Getting rid of Nazis, white supremacists etc, here is our take,
http://www.englishdefenceleague.org/suspicions-raised-about-nationalist-demonstration-on-8th-october-and-neo-nazi-named-and-shamed/#comments

Propaganda, I wonder if you realise how much there is, take this, quite funny,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFfQiXLOON0

The real story, an EDL steward saw Nazi salutes from a small group and asked them to stop, result, he was attacked, other EDL stepped in and the Nazi group was ejected, the steward suffered a broken jaw.

Take this one,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIPD8qHhtVU
Poor sod, a bit pissed and Press TV made a laughing stock of him, mainly because of his northern accent, I was there, he was talking about rape gangs, they did a number of interviews, one was with 2 gays and they were asked were they really gay, they then did a full on kiss, tongue, the lot, of course Press TV showed none of that, they interviewed a Jewish guy, a friend of mine, that didn't get in either.
There is a huge amount of this stuff going on, take the attacks on Mosques recently, every article in the main stream media mentioned EDL, even here you debated EDL in connection with these attacks, the poor Muslim who was murdered, many thought it was EDL, result, no EDL involved at all. Any one say go sorry we got that wrong, nope.

Then there's this so called chant by EDL about Pakistanis, prove it, it's audio dubbed and if you listen it's obvious, there is a tidal wave of this going on and it is becoming more and more difficult to discern what's true and what is not.

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Reply #71 - September 05, 2013, 11:01 PM

Your organization is led primarily by one man, the founder of the organization, and he was formerly a member of the BNP and recently led a BNP splinter group. You still haven't addressed this.

Quote from: arthur2 on September 05, 2013, 10:52 PM
Second point, this is England, there are no Muslim areas, only English areas.

Riiiiiiiiiight...and Golders Green isn't a Jewish area, and the East End wasn't a traditionally Cockney area, and Notting Hill isn't a rich area. Man, shut the fuck up with that nonsense.

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The real story, an EDL steward saw Nazi salutes from a small group and asked them to stop, result, he was attacked, other EDL stepped in and the Nazi group was ejected, the steward suffered a broken jaw.

So the organization doesn't want to be publicly associated with neo-Nazis...we've already established this, it isn't news. Problem is that image control doesn't change the nature of the organization nor its leadership.

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Poor sod, a bit pissed

A bit? Guy looks fuckin bombed to me.

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Reply #72 - September 05, 2013, 11:05 PM

Well I didn't really question if there was an unfair smear campaign going on. And to say there aren't muslim areas, there are areas where most people are muslim. in that context my point stands. Also the mosque bit, that is a bit weak for the simple fact it's a place of worship. Saying no more places of worship is different than saying no more hate speakers in mosques. working with muslim organisations is the best way to achieve this.

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Reply #73 - September 06, 2013, 04:00 AM

Quote from: arthur2 on September 05, 2013, 03:33 PM
As for the EDL, Douglas Murrey, says it all here,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uNUm9Ic_Kc&feature=youtu.be

Thanks for that. I wouldn't argue with any of it.

If you are people of good faith, good luck with the seemingly impossible task of getting your real views across. (I think you're on to a loser, personally.)

If not, you will be hoist by your own petard. (And lazy wankers like Russell Howard will dance gleefully on your grave.)
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Reply #74 - September 08, 2013, 08:08 PM

http://www.workersliberty.org/story/2013/09/08/mass-arrests-anti-fascists-east-london

No MSM reports of this.

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Reply #75 - September 08, 2013, 08:36 PM

Quote from: arthur2 on September 05, 2013, 10:52 PM
no more mosques and the reason, some of them hide extremists.

By that logic, no more pubs, some of them hide and nurture hooligans and extremists.

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Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

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Reply #76 - September 08, 2013, 08:45 PM

Blasphemy. PDL! Pub Defence League! "P-P-PDL! P-P-PDL!"

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Reply #77 - September 08, 2013, 08:48 PM

Guiness is a pedo!

Guinnes is a pedo!

Guinnes is a pedo!

Guinnes is a pedo!

Guinnes is a pedo!

Guinnes is a pedo!

Guinnes is a pedo!

Guinnes is a pedo!

Guinnes is a pedo!

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Reply #78 - September 08, 2013, 08:51 PM

Who, who, who the fuck is Stella?

Who, who, who the fuck is Stella?

Who, who, who the fuck is Stella?

Who, who, who the fuck is Stella?

Who, who, who the fuck is Stella?

Who, who, who the fuck is Stella?

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Reply #79 - September 08, 2013, 08:52 PM

Guinness and Stella issue a death sentence on Jedi. Carlsburg, however, attempts to form an alliance.

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Reply #80 - September 08, 2013, 08:58 PM

Who SHOT Jedi?

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Reply #81 - September 08, 2013, 09:05 PM

Accusations are rife.

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Reply #82 - September 08, 2013, 10:27 PM

Budweiser is a foreigner!

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Reply #83 - September 08, 2013, 10:30 PM

Only his mum and dad.

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Reply #84 - September 08, 2013, 10:31 PM

Quod, I know you're the one behind my assassination attempt.

PDL. Pisshead Defence League!

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Reply #85 - September 08, 2013, 10:32 PM

Pub, Pisshead, either way it's worth defending. Cheers!

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Reply #86 - September 08, 2013, 10:34 PM

Fuc the Pub, Quod...come round mine and we'll get pissed together and high man.

Why...

Coz it's Friday, you ain't got no job and you ain't got shit to do!

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Reply #87 - September 08, 2013, 10:40 PM

You sound like my brother who is the Chris Tucker to my Ice Cube.

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Reply #88 - September 08, 2013, 11:28 PM

Jesus wept!!!!!!

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Reply #89 - September 09, 2013, 03:50 AM

tard

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