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Topic: Why are educated people less likely to believe tosh?

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OP - September 01, 2013, 08:26 PM

funny question on ummah.com

"Why does science/ school seem to make people lose their eemaan? "

http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?373731-Questions-about-muslims-science
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Reply #1 - September 01, 2013, 09:02 PM

Noticed a couple comments about being beaten. The second blessing the teacher for it.

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ouch, My teacher never touched females, he beat us a lot though, May Allah swt bless him.

The fuck?

`But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
`Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.'
`How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
`You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
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Reply #2 - September 02, 2013, 08:19 AM

Stockholm Syndrome. I used to be grateful to my dad for beating me because it made me a good, God-fearing Muslim.

He's no friend to the friendless
And he's the mother of grief
There's only sorrow for tomorrow
Surely life is too brief
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Reply #3 - September 02, 2013, 11:35 AM

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2. atheist brainwashing+parents who doesn't care. Can't really blame the kids who get lost.

Except that Allah supposedly will "blame" them and burn them in hell.
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Reply #4 - September 02, 2013, 12:41 PM

I am reminded of that deaf, dumb and blind ayat. Too bad they don't see who's really deaf, dumb and blind. :(

Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise cannot see all ends.
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Reply #5 - September 02, 2013, 01:55 PM

If they did, Allah would go the way of Ra.

`But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
`Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.'
`How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
`You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
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Reply #6 - September 02, 2013, 08:37 PM

Reading The Signal and the Noise by Nate Silver.

He argues that the explosion of information caused by the invention of the printing press led to several hundred years of religious wars, because we cannot cope with too much data and react by creating rules and theologies which we then argue with someone else about!

We are going through a bigger revolution now with the internet, and a core reaction to this is to assert pre-existing belief systems - like Islam -

What education hopefully does is enable someone to collate, curate and manage the huge amounts of data we meet all the time.

So Islam etc are not really tosh but are poor ways to understand life the universe and everything.

When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.

A.A. Milne,

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Reply #7 - September 03, 2013, 07:56 AM

Poor because we know that today. So however valid it was seen to be 1450 years ago, it's tosh today.

Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise cannot see all ends.
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Reply #8 - September 03, 2013, 10:53 AM

`But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
`Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.'
`How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
`You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
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Reply #9 - January 06, 2014, 05:27 PM

That's a tragic thread

It's like nobody can see the irony
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Reply #10 - January 06, 2014, 05:55 PM

So what about those who've studied deen, and "secular" knowledge, but still loose their iman? Why would allah torment me, guide me to the straight path but then misguide me again? Hmmmmm.....

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Reply #11 - January 06, 2014, 09:14 PM

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deaf, dumb and blind ayat.

This one?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yvjs9cwtWUo

When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.

A.A. Milne,

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Reply #12 - January 06, 2014, 09:18 PM

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The various modes of worship, which prevailed in the Roman world, were all considered by the people, as equally true; by the philosopher, as equally false; and by the magistrate, as equally useful. - Edward Gibbon (1776)(Chapter II: The Internal Prosperity In The Age Of The Antonines.—Part I. Second Paragraph)

Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful. - Seneca (ca. 4 BC –AD 65)

All religions are equally sublime to the ignorant, useful to the politician, and ridiculous to the philosopher. - Lucretius (94 BC - 49 BC)

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Talk:Seneca_the_Younger

When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.

A.A. Milne,

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Reply #13 - January 06, 2014, 11:36 PM

Quote from: moi on September 02, 2013, 08:37 PM
So Islam etc are not really tosh but are poor ways to understand life the universe and everything.

I was saying exactly this the other night to a couple of Japanese people who, for some reason, have embraced Christianity (and, equally strangely, chose to meet at an 'Irish pub' rather than a local izakaya).
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Reply #14 - January 07, 2014, 05:54 AM

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2. atheist brainwashing+parents who doesn't care. Can't really blame the kids who get lost

Wait so the problem is that some atheist brainwashed the person into leaving islam as well as the accusation that the parents didn't care enough to thoroughly indoctrinate the child into islam

Seriously do these people even take a second to look at what they are writing/saying ?!?!

In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
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Reply #15 - January 07, 2014, 07:41 AM

Quote from: TheDarkRebel on January 07, 2014, 05:54 AM
Seriously do these people even take a second to look at what they are writing/saying ?!?!

Yes, and their lips move as they read it.
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Reply #16 - January 07, 2014, 10:24 AM

Now now, mustn't mock the afflicted!

When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.

A.A. Milne,

"We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
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Reply #17 - January 07, 2014, 02:23 PM

Quote from: David on January 07, 2014, 07:41 AM
Yes, and their lips move as they read it.

yeah that was poorly phrased.

I meant to say it looks like these people don't even think before they post they just type in whatever comes into their mins without giving it a second thought

In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
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Reply #18 - January 07, 2014, 02:43 PM

Quote from: moi on September 02, 2013, 08:37 PM
So Islam etc are not really tosh but are poor ways to understand life the universe and everything.

Quote from: David on January 06, 2014, 11:36 PM
I was saying exactly this the other night to a couple ..............

No moi, no.....no..Nope..

In 21st century., It is just tosh .....really tosh.....pure tosh..... nothing but tosh.,

In it, there is neither poor ways, nor any way to understand life, the universe etc..etc.. And david don't tell that to innocent Japanese folks again.

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Reply #19 - January 07, 2014, 02:58 PM

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It is just tosh .....really tosh.....pure tosh..... nothing but tosh.

Are you in advertising? That is as good as go to work on an egg!

When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.

A.A. Milne,

"We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
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