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  • Pro-Life Groups Don't Really Protect The Unborn
     OP - September 05, 2013, 11:50 PM
    Just to clarify I am pro-life but don't support legislation banning abortion as it does nothing to solve the problem.

    www.csmonitor.com/Commentary/Opinion/2013/0904/Pro-life-groups-don-t-really-protect-the-unborn

    fixed the link.
  • Pro-Life Groups Don't Really Protect The Unborn
     Reply #1 - September 05, 2013, 11:54 PM
    I'm pro choice so that's easy enough. If you believe it's wrong full stop, don't do it. If you don't, your choice. Never really got why so many pro life seem to think pro choice means pro abortion.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Pro-Life Groups Don't Really Protect The Unborn
     Reply #2 - September 06, 2013, 12:05 AM
    Because they believe pro-choice supports abortion.

    I know a lot of pro-choice people don't like abortions.
  • Pro-Life Groups Don't Really Protect The Unborn
     Reply #3 - September 06, 2013, 12:07 AM
    I like abortions. I always complain to my mom why she didn't have one.
    fuck you
  • Pro-Life Groups Don't Really Protect The Unborn
     Reply #4 - September 06, 2013, 12:09 AM
     Cheesy
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Pro-Life Groups Don't Really Protect The Unborn
     Reply #5 - September 06, 2013, 12:34 AM
    Quote from: Colonel Q-Daffi on September 06, 2013, 12:07 AM
    I like abortions. I always complain to my mom why she didn't have one.


    If she did have one you would not be here Smiley
  • Pro-Life Groups Don't Really Protect The Unborn
     Reply #6 - September 06, 2013, 12:38 AM
    Yeah, that was kinda the point. Although I try to make a contribution to society, fundamentally I'm lazy and selfish, so not ever having been born would be the best option as I would not have to deal with the struggle that is life.

    Also, I'm just generally pro-abortion. Instead of giving to charity or even pro-choice organizations I give money to women who want abortions and if they're unsure I convince them it's a good idea.
    fuck you
  • Pro-Life Groups Don't Really Protect The Unborn
     Reply #7 - September 06, 2013, 12:41 AM
    Don't worry, one day you'll be dead. The strangest comforting line I have ever given.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Pro-Life Groups Don't Really Protect The Unborn
     Reply #8 - September 06, 2013, 12:45 AM
    Heh, yeah, but the chances of going out Fred Hampton style are decreasing each year as is how interesting I find life...I'm really bored. The things that used to excite me just don't anymore.
    fuck you
  • Pro-Life Groups Don't Really Protect The Unborn
     Reply #9 - September 06, 2013, 12:51 AM
    Quote from: Colonel Q-Daffi on September 06, 2013, 12:38 AM
    Yeah, that was kinda the point. Although I try to make a contribution to society, fundamentally I'm lazy and selfish, so not ever having been born would be the best option as I would not have to deal with the struggle that is life.

    Also, I'm just generally pro-abortion. Instead of giving to charity or even pro-choice organizations I give money to women who want abortions and if they're unsure I convince them it's a good idea.


    No one said life will be easy
  • Pro-Life Groups Don't Really Protect The Unborn
     Reply #10 - September 06, 2013, 12:52 AM
    Quote from: Quod Sum Eris on September 06, 2013, 12:41 AM
    Don't worry, one day you'll be dead. The strangest comforting line I have ever given.


    Fitting for your pic profile
  • Pro-Life Groups Don't Really Protect The Unborn
     Reply #11 - September 06, 2013, 12:54 AM
    Good thing God murdered his son, who was actually really himself, to appease himself so we all can have eternal life. yes
  • Pro-Life Groups Don't Really Protect The Unborn
     Reply #12 - September 06, 2013, 01:05 AM
    Quote from: C1981 on September 06, 2013, 12:51 AM
    No one said life will be easy


    My ma did...repeatedly, and that life was fair. She also made sure I knew the other kids weren't laughing with me, but rather they were laughing AT me. She also told me money grows on trees and all I had to do to support myself was plant a bunch of money trees.

    Wise woman.
    fuck you
  • Pro-Life Groups Don't Really Protect The Unborn
     Reply #13 - September 06, 2013, 01:18 AM
    lol

    Poor Q-Daffi
  • Pro-Life Groups Don't Really Protect The Unborn
     Reply #14 - September 06, 2013, 04:14 AM
    Quote from: C1981 on September 05, 2013, 11:50 PM
    Just to clarify I am pro-life but don't support legislation banning abortion as it does nothing to solve the problem.

    www.csmonitor.com/Commentary/Opinion/2013/0904/Pro-life-groups-don-t-really-protect-the-unborn

    fixed the link.

    Be honest. You're not "pro-life". You're anti-abortion. People who are "pro-choice" are not "anti-life". Cut the bullshit, and cut the transparent attempts to sieze the moral high ground for your own preconceptions. Nobody with a functioning brain is going to be the slightest bit impressed.
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Pro-Life Groups Don't Really Protect The Unborn
     Reply #15 - September 06, 2013, 05:02 AM
    Quote from: C1981 on September 06, 2013, 12:52 AM
    Fitting for your pic profile


    Oi!  finmad
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Re: Pro-Life Groups Don't Really Protect The Unborn
     Reply #16 - September 06, 2013, 06:31 AM
    Quote from: happymurtad on September 06, 2013, 12:54 AM
    Good thing God murdered his son, who was actually really himself, to appease himself so we all can have eternal life. yes


    Christians are at best, cute.

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    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Pro-Life Groups Don't Really Protect The Unborn
     Reply #17 - September 06, 2013, 08:11 PM
    Quote from: osmanthus on September 06, 2013, 04:14 AM
    Be honest. You're not "pro-life". You're anti-abortion. People who are "pro-choice" are not "anti-life". Cut the bullshit, and cut the transparent attempts to sieze the moral high ground for your own preconceptions. Nobody with a functioning brain is going to be the slightest bit impressed.


    I stated I am pro-life but don't support legislation against banning abortion.

    I never said people who are pro-choice are anti-life. Read the thread before jumping down my throat.
  • Pro-Life Groups Don't Really Protect The Unborn
     Reply #18 - September 06, 2013, 08:11 PM
    Quote from: Quod Sum Eris on September 06, 2013, 05:02 AM
    Oi!  finmad


    You're picture doesn't look that bad.
  • Pro-Life Groups Don't Really Protect The Unborn
     Reply #19 - September 06, 2013, 09:37 PM
    Quote from: C1981 on September 06, 2013, 08:11 PM
    I stated I am pro-life but don't support legislation against banning abortion.

    I never said people who are pro-choice are anti-life. Read the thread before jumping down my throat.

    I did read it. Question: if your position is defned as "pro-life" then how would the position of someone who opposes your views be described? Obviously, they cannot also be "pro-life", right? So, presumably they must either be "apathetic-towards-life" or "anti-life", yes?

    This is, in fact, how the term "pro-life" originated. It was a deliberate marketing ploy that was designed to a/ avoid the admission that the anti-abortion position was actually anti anything and instead b/ ensure that it was only ever branded as being "pro" something, which sounds much more marketable than "anti" and c/ make sure that what it was seen as being in favour of was something that nobody could object to (ie: life) and d/ by implication, suggest that anyone who was not of the same opinion must necessarily be taking a position against life and therefore e/ is probably insane and/or evil.

    In other words, not only was it dishonest bullshit, but it was deliberately dishonest bullshit. Now you've probably just adopted the term without thinking about it, simply because it's in common use and it feels good to you. My point is that perhaps you should think about it.
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Pro-Life Groups Don't Really Protect The Unborn
     Reply #20 - September 06, 2013, 09:59 PM
    Osmanthus I had discussions on the subject with pro-choice advocates and Atheists.

    Pro-life does not mean anti-abortion just like pro-choice does not mean pro-abortion.

    Pro-life is also defined for people who care about the baby after it is born. This also includes people who are against capital punishment ( not necessarily against capital punishment, as there are situations where it is necessary ). I also recognize the unborn baby is entirely dependent upon the mother.

    I do believe life of an unborn child is sacred and seek alternative methods to keep women from persuing an abortion such as increasing crisis pregnancy centers, help women obtain financial assistance and exc.

    I am not for the current legislation going through states that prohibit abortion as they won't solve the problem of unplanned pregnancies. At most they will give the U.S. government control over women's bodies.
  • Pro-Life Groups Don't Really Protect The Unborn
     Reply #21 - September 06, 2013, 10:02 PM
    Just to add a little blaence, I've personally known people who's political views are pro choice but personal views are pro life. It can happen, You do believe it should be a legal option even if you yourself would never do it.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Pro-Life Groups Don't Really Protect The Unborn
     Reply #22 - September 06, 2013, 10:14 PM
    Quote from: C1981 on September 06, 2013, 09:59 PM
    Osmanthus I had discussions on the subject with pro-choice advocates and Atheists.

    Totally irrelevant to the point in question. You could have discussed it with a pack of aardvarks and it would make no difference.

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    Pro-life does not mean anti-abortion just like pro-choice does not mean pro-abortion.

    ORLY? Ok, so tell me this: since you are saying that you "believe life of an unborn child is sacred and seek alternative methods to keep women from persuing an abortion" then would it not be fair to conclude that you are, in fact, anti-abortion? If you are not anti-abortion, then there would be no reason for you to seek alternatives.

    You are playing with words. Why not just admit, without prevarication, that you are anti-abortion? This can still allow for the fact that, for practical reasons that are not entirely in tune with your preferences, you recognise that making abortion illegal is not a good option. However, you are still anti-abortion, and you still wish to describe your position as "pro-life", and you still wish to think of people who are in favour of abortion as "not-pro-life", and therefore presumably something else.


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    Pro-life is also defined for people who care about the baby after it is born.

    It's never used that way in the context of debates about abortion. It's only ever used to denote an opposition to abortion.
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Pro-Life Groups Don't Really Protect The Unborn
     Reply #23 - September 06, 2013, 10:42 PM
    I am not playing with words. You need to listen to other opinions about pro-life and anti-abortion other then the mainstream.

    Pro-life means having concern about what happens to the child after it is born. Anti-abortion means banning abortion with no concern as to what happens to the child after it is born.

    I am not the only one who calls themselves pro-life and does not support legislation banning abortion, but you don't hear about us because we are not loud enough. The abortion debate has been hijacked by extremists.
  • Pro-Life Groups Don't Really Protect The Unborn
     Reply #24 - September 06, 2013, 10:51 PM
    Quote from: C1981 on September 06, 2013, 10:42 PM
    I am not playing with words. You need to listen to other opinions about pro-life and anti-abortion other then the mainstream.

    Pro-life means having concern about what happens to the child after it is born.

    Oh, I see. So, as someone who calls themself "pro-life", you have no interest in what happens before birth, and therefore absolutely no reason to disapprove of abortion. Glad we got that cleared up. Smiley


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    Anti-abortion means banning abortion with no concern as to what happens to the child after it is born.

    Does it? Really? Since when does it mean that? I thought it just meant that the person concerned did not approve of abortion.
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Pro-Life Groups Don't Really Protect The Unborn
     Reply #25 - September 06, 2013, 10:59 PM
    Anybody read my last post?
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Pro-Life Groups Don't Really Protect The Unborn
     Reply #26 - September 06, 2013, 11:14 PM
    Yeah I read your post. Most of the pro-choice advocates I've talked with who are pro-life. They believe a woman should have the right to an abortion and are concerned with the well being of a child after it is born. They personally don't like abortion themselves but believe a woman should have a right to it.
  • Pro-Life Groups Don't Really Protect The Unborn
     Reply #27 - September 06, 2013, 11:19 PM
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    osmanthus
    Oh, I see. So, as someone who calls themself "pro-life", you have no interest in what happens before birth, and therefore absolutely no reason to disapprove of abortion. Glad we got that cleared up.

     
    I am concerned about the baby and the mother before the child is born. That does not mean I will invade the personal life of the mother.

    Quote
    Does it? Really? Since when does it mean that? I thought it just meant that the person concerned did not approve of abortion.


    It's always meant that. What you see in the mainstream are extremists who have hijacked the abortion debate and branded themselves pro-life to make themselves as heroes and morally right.
  • Pro-Life Groups Don't Really Protect The Unborn
     Reply #28 - September 06, 2013, 11:21 PM
    Quote from: C1981 on September 06, 2013, 11:14 PM
    Yeah I read your post. Most of the pro-choice advocates I've talked with who are pro-life. They believe a woman should have the right to an abortion and are concerned with the well being of a child after it is born. They personally don't like abortion themselves but believe a woman should have a right to it.


    That right there I don't have a problem with.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Pro-Life Groups Don't Really Protect The Unborn
     Reply #29 - September 07, 2013, 07:04 AM
    Quote from: C1981 on September 06, 2013, 11:19 PM
    I am concerned about the baby and the mother before the child is born.

    Then why did you say this? whistling2

    Quote from: C1981 on September 06, 2013, 10:42 PM
    Pro-life means having concern about what happens to the child after it is born.

    If you state categorically that "pro-life" means one thing, you're going to look a bit silly if you then want to turn around and claim it means something else.


    Quote
    It's always meant that.

    No, it hasn't.
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