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  • Dealing with death.
     OP - September 08, 2013, 01:29 AM

    Personally I was never very religious. I've also had many people dear to me die, family and otherwise. As this is a place primarily for people coming to terms with losing faith in religion, I thought it was a good topic. I was thinking about Seeker's comment on how if there is no god there's no chance of reuniting with loved ones, and it struck a cord with me. As a safe place to be open and honest, and let's face it most of us have privately played therapist at some point (I'm making the assumption I'm not alone) I think it could be helpful for people who might be coming to terms that they will not in fact see their loved ones again.

    Anyone care to share their views/experiences?

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Dealing with death.
     Reply #1 - September 08, 2013, 02:54 AM

    Look on the bright side. You wont have to put up with all the people who annoyed the fuck out of you. bunny

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Dealing with death.
     Reply #2 - September 08, 2013, 10:43 AM

    On October 15th 1996 my father died.

    I remember being woken up by cousin Ruksanna and she told me to quickly get dressed and go to the hospital. One of my 'uncles' took me to the hospital in his car. It was a quiet journey. I wandered all the while what the hell was going on. When we got to the hospital there was a room to my left and from it came the noise of women crying loudly and saying this in Urdu and Punjabi. I was led through some doors and into a wide room and saw my father with bits of congealed blood clinging to his, what was once light brown now pale face. I touched Death itself and it feld cold.

    Throughout the mourning period I never cried. Not once. Nobody explained to me what was going on. I never was told about death itself. Only about Paradise and Hell Fire, but not about death. Sure, I was told about the questions that the Angel of Death would ask you in the grave. But, nobody told me how to cope with death. I saw people all around me, crying, wailing, reading parts of the Qur'an and claiming that my father was their best friend of favourite brother.

    During the Jannazah the Imam said something about seeing loved ones in Paradise. I never knew my father. Not well enough anyway. He was always working. He died at work. But I know he was a good man. And a part of me wanted to see him again. Partly to see what he was really like a s a person and partly to see if all this Paradise talk was true.

    Shortly after my father's death, a couple moved in next door. Amjad was a mild mannered computer electronics student and was very Islamic. He had a lot of religious books. I asked him about how to get to Paradise and he said 'obey Allah'. I saked 'how?' he handed me a book called 'Tawhid' by Abu Ameenah Billal Phillips. I was hooked.

    From then on I prayed five times a day, wore the Islamic dress for Jummah, grew a beard, lowered my gaze, stopped listening to music and fasted. Islam had all the answers. Everyone is going to die and we should accept it. Death is not to be fear...the afterlife is to be feared. This Duniya and our mortal frame is to be forsaken and we should be preoccupied with morbid thoughts of the afterlife. I never thought about my father other out of respect. Muhammad said that we should honour the dead, respect their memory and frieve for them. Remember death for death is as close to you as the nails on your fingers.

    There is nothing in Islam about meeting loved ones in Paradise like most people would imagine. On the Day of Ressurection we would be too preoccupied with ourselves. We will say 'nafsi, nafsi, nafsi'. Me, me, me. We would speak against each other. Paradise is not how people imagine it to be. I read a book called 'Hellfire and Paradise' by Shkh. Umar Suleyman al-Ashqar and it it was said that in Paradise we will rpaise Allah even more. There will be no need for families for Allah will protect us.

    Anyway, long story short I became disillusioned with the idea of Allah, Islam and all other sorts of superstitious nonsense. I know that I will die. I know that I may be buried or cremated or gradually rot away someplace. But I do not fear death. I fear how I might die. But not death itself. And nor do I ourn the fact that I will not see my father. It may pain me when the time comes and my wife passes away or my children and I held them in my arms for the last time and wish that I could hold them once again, only a lot longer.

    But, I've learnt to let go.

    I would say it's maturity and accepting things as they are. But I know that I will never see my father, ever again. That's a fact. But, I'm not sad though. I'm happy. Because this realisation has made me appreiate life even more. All we have of each other are moments. We must strive to make every moment last and straghten our bonds with those who are living. Live for the living and do not die with dead. 

    Fuck it! Life is too short to be angry, hateful and arrogant. Appreciate the things you have now so that you will have nothing to regret when they are gone. And when the time comes to let go. It will be easy...or at least get easier in time.

    So...pull yourself together, chin up lad and carry on.  Smiley

    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • Dealing with death.
     Reply #3 - September 08, 2013, 05:47 PM

    I had a brother who died, one year younger than me, I was eight - parents knew the illness was terminal six months beforehand, saw him die on the day in front us. Yeah tear up talking about it.  Regret the parents burying him in Pakistan, so do they.  Mum says the death it played a big part in my personality, I wouldn't know.

    Jedi you want burial or cremation?

    The notion that once buried the deceased hears the footsteps walk away from his grave, used to be disturbing. That is something for Quod's disturbing fiction thread.

    All I know is that that their is a new topic of conversation in your forties amongst friends other than the usual, death or more precisely cancer, know five, six big characters, some good friends get cancer and be reduced to skeletons.

    I don't know if I'd want my friends to come visit when I get to that stage, in exchange I would do the same for them. A lot of religion is about coming to terms to ones own death. Some people cope better with it than others.

    The one thing I am not looking forward to is the imminent probability of the end of the possibility of a  beautiful, ok I will take attractive and slim girl wanting to have sex with me willingly. Short of buying a 70,000 grand car. I don't drive.


    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • Dealing with death.
     Reply #4 - September 08, 2013, 06:13 PM

    Sorry to hear about that.

    I would prefer to be cremated, but whatever my family decide is okay with me. I think being buried is wasting all that space that can be put to better use.

    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • Dealing with death.
     Reply #5 - September 08, 2013, 07:18 PM

    I often think of departed friends and family. I deal with it how I deal with most of my shit experiences and feelings...I drink...heavily, and listen to aggressive music and do my best to not give a fuck.

    "The shadow of death follows me, I don't give a fuck" -- Bushwick Bill

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c08MJSMfcZQ

    fuck you
  • Dealing with death.
     Reply #6 - September 10, 2013, 02:51 PM

    Off-topic again

    When someone dies their mobile phone number dies with them. Like I have the same number for nearly fifteen years, I think it will be the same number till I die. Someone after would make use of the phone itself after I go, but no one is going to use the same sim/number.

    Imagine my daughter took up both phone(she wouldn't, my phones are never cool enough, though she may grow out of that by then)and number. She would be getting calls from people

    -Oh you want him?
    -Sorry he died a few weeks ago

    She would have to put up with that for a few months/years at least.

    So the number gets retired.

    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • Dealing with death.
     Reply #7 - September 17, 2013, 05:57 PM

    An analogy I use for an expanse of time, or in this thread a lifetime is one using the long summer school holidays experienced as kids at ages 5/6/7/8. In the first days of holiday it seemed the vacation was never ending, stretching as far as one could imagine, but on the last day of the holiday, it was a question of 'Where did all the time go? That was quick!

    seems life will be the same.

    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • Dealing with death.
     Reply #8 - September 17, 2013, 10:39 PM

    Sorry for going all morbid on youse. But in the last week or so I have developed a persistant dry cough, exacerbated when I smoke. Today it has given my voice hoarseness, a bit sexy lol but my friends have been telling me to see the doctor because the sound puts them off. I have had hoarseness before, but not emanating from as high up.

    Last week another friend was worried about his throat and the subject of cancer came about and he said - he was going to the doctors in the morning and he didn't want to talk about it, I said if you talk about it or consider it, it won't happen. he just had infections galore. I am hoping by talking I have the same diagnosis.

    Statistically, it is bad and good - the chances for and against.

    Everyone has a little hypochondriac in them - if you were teenager and over in the eighties the Aids scare was terrifying. get a fuckin scratch, shit I might have aids.

    Had a little reflection earlier, I would miss the music and sunshine and regret not getting a handle on the free will is an illusion question.

    Feel better now.

    ETA - forgot to add the spur that prompted this post, just before posting this a cousin sends me a text, one of those faith-based ones - it reads

     - You're rich? famous? A genius? But to the angel of death..Just another name on the list. Spooky lol

    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • Dealing with death.
     Reply #9 - September 17, 2013, 11:17 PM

    I loved those email chains!  Afro

    Want to come the faithful in line? Scare the shit out of them!

    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • Dealing with death.
     Reply #10 - September 18, 2013, 05:06 AM

    What I find the hardest when I've lost someone is if I have regrets that were unresolved. There were things I wanted to say but didn't, and that was incredibly hard for me. the fact they'd died and I'd never be able to.

    To different degrees I always carry them with me. The fact I'll never see them again is nothing to how glad I am to have known them. One of the things I thought about when I was younger was "Is it worth it?" All the pain I was feeling, the loss, the grief, where they that important to me? If I could choose, would I never have known them so I could be spared the pain of their loss, or no matter how much it hurts am I still grateful that they were in my life?

    I don't think either answer is actually a bad thing. If you feel like you'd rather have never known them so you wo9uldnt' have to feel this way, that can convince you you're a horrible person but that isn't necessarily the case. It hurts because they were important. They mattered. Grief shows the impact they had on you and how important they were. That's nothing to be ashamed of.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Dealing with death.
     Reply #11 - September 18, 2013, 02:58 PM

    You might find this thread of interest.

    If you scroll down there are some links to a series of philosophy lectures by Prof. Shelly Kagan. It certainly helped me come to terms with death to actually understand and de-mystify death. Know your enemy.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Dealing with death.
     Reply #12 - September 19, 2013, 11:59 AM

    ----

    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • Dealing with death.
     Reply #13 - September 19, 2013, 05:56 PM

    Huh, you deleted it. I didn't get chance to respond earlier.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Dealing with death.
     Reply #14 - September 19, 2013, 07:10 PM

    Anyone care to share their views?


    Why should I fear death? If I am, death is not. If death is, I am not. Why should I fear that which can only exist when I do not?

    Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it.
  • Dealing with death.
     Reply #15 - September 20, 2013, 02:16 AM

    The pain of loss?

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Dealing with death.
     Reply #16 - September 20, 2013, 07:37 AM

    Well no, the quote deals more with the fear of death rather than the pain of loss. Just had this compulsory urge to post it here because it's so damn awesome!

    Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it.
  • Dealing with death.
     Reply #17 - September 20, 2013, 01:58 PM

    Huh, you deleted it. I didn't get chance to respond earlier.


    Lol. No it was done in a fit of pique of being ignored etc. My actual thought patterns behind the reason why I deleted the post are a mystery to me, what with free will being an illusion and all that. I do feel the need to explain.

    Social awkwardness. It manifests itself differently in real life but on the internet the awkwardness of addressing someone. Witness all the clumsiness in my asking happymurtad to address me as DA instead of writing the whole name, then I would feel happy about calling him HM, even he writes devilsadvokat when addressing me, then I feel obliged to call him happymurtad not HM. Reciprocality.

    In relation to you I had addressed you by name - in response you did not use my name which did not matter (I do that too) but coming to the forum yesterday I remembered that I had the question (now deleted) for you and I used your name again

    So I thought best cross of the name, because you might think I was being too familiar etc, so I get to this thread, decide that if I erase ishina from the post I word have to reword the post, then I noticed in your post directly before mine that it wasn't even addressed to me necessarily, it could be Quod who posted before you(Quod you do come out with some good threads but mostly those inspired by yourself rather than an article bought in), the permutations were doing my head in, (mind you this takes place over 8secs tops lol). In the end thought fuck it, I will delete it.

    The thing about too familiar, I remember when I first joined, it was natural to address BIlly as Billy, he was the only one who I addressed by name without vice versa happening, he was a fella, liked spaghetti westerns and Billy was a name not some avatar-based moniker. I did it too often, used to think I bet Billy thinks its creepy lol.

    Sometimes I even say Hi so and so - that's familiar but it feels ok at the time - It's a wonder I get out of the house.

    You remember the question? if you do, please...

    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • Dealing with death.
     Reply #18 - September 20, 2013, 02:00 PM

    Well no, the quote deals more with the fear of death rather than the pain of loss. Just had this compulsory urge to post it here because it's so damn awesome!

    Why should I fear death? If I am, death is not. If death is, I am not. Why should I fear that which can only exist when I do not?


    I could have this mixed up - but it easy not to fear death itself, it is the fear of dying, upto the point of death. Why should I fear dying? Answer me that.

    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • Dealing with death.
     Reply #19 - September 20, 2013, 02:23 PM

    Quote
    it is the fear of dying, upto the point of death.


    I'm not quite sure if I buy the suggestion that the fear of dying is worse than the fear of death. Aren't we all dying, only with accelerated pace once fragility (of old age or disease) hits us? Fear of dying seems to me a life of fear.

    What I find more understandable is fear of total annihilation, though I've somehow reconciled myself with that as well.

    Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it.
  • Dealing with death.
     Reply #20 - September 20, 2013, 02:31 PM

    Minimow

    Like your initial quote it has been a few years in my thinking that yes,  I don't fear death, because I won't know about it - which someone on this forum summed as death will be like the same as before you were born.

    Its the time leading up to it - yes we are all slowly dying, somewhere along the line it gonna come knocking, be it a bus or bacteria - bus wouldn't be too bad, instantaneous no, sorry that is a stupid way to die, a bus lol your friends and family will never look at the number6, the same way again.

    Anyways, I have come to terms, there is no other choice - maybe it is the fear of when and how, not knowing. When you know you know.

    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • Dealing with death.
     Reply #21 - September 20, 2013, 04:19 PM

    Lol. No it was done in a fit of pique of being ignored etc.

    No, I wasn't ignoring you. I just have 1001 other things going on and don't get chance to post as much as I'd like. If I don't respond, it's nothing personal.

    In relation to you I had addressed you by name - in response you did not use my name which did not matter (I do that too) but coming to the forum yesterday I remembered that I had the question (now deleted) for you and I used your name again

    So I thought best cross of the name, because you might think I was being too familiar etc...

    Don't worry about that. Call me what the fuck you like. It didn't even enter my mind that you're being too familiar. I don't really think about things like that.

    You remember the question? if you do, please...

    Hmm, I think you was asking me to clarify?

    What I meant is, facing and understanding the nature of death has helped me personally put it in perspective. To give it proportionate value, time and consideration while I live my life. To appreciate living without having my mortality weigh on me and diminish the experience of being alive. Rather than perceiving death with a sense of dread or anxiety, I actually find it an interesting subject. Not as any kind of morbid fixation, but with respect to what it means to be alive, to be mortal, how it plays into the human experience, and so on.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Dealing with death.
     Reply #22 - September 20, 2013, 04:24 PM

    I think i'd be more worried dying as a muslim. Didn't Mo say in hadith that only those who die in Jihad are guaranteed paradise?......muslims should be extra careful that they are not run over by a bus...
  • Dealing with death.
     Reply #23 - September 21, 2013, 04:40 PM

    I think i'd be more worried dying as a muslim. Didn't Mo say in hadith that only those who die in Jihad are guaranteed paradise?......muslims should be extra careful that they are not run over by a bus...


    According to the wiki entry on Shahid (Martyrdom)


    There are at least 5 different kinds of martyrs according to Hadith.


    Allah's Apostle said, "Five are regarded as martyrs: They are those who die because of plague, abdominal disease, drowning or a falling building etc., and the martyrs in Allah's cause.

    —Collected by Muhammad al-Bukhari, Sahih al-Bukhari[10]

    One who dies protecting his property is also considered a martyr according to Hadith:


    I heard the Prophet saying, "Whoever is killed while protecting his property then he is a martyr.

    —Collected by Muhammad al-Bukhari, Sahih al-Bukhari[11]



    The Quranic passage that follows is often misinterpreted to mean that martyrs are promised Paradise, but it is also promised to those who die. In other words, it is not the way that a Muslim dies that determines if they go to Paradise or not, rather, it is their faith and deeds.
    Those who leave their homes in the cause of Allah, and are then slain or die,- On them will Allah bestow verily a goodly Provision:Truly Allah is He Who bestows the best provision.

    —Qur'an, Surah 22 (Al-Hajj), Ayah 58[4]

    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • Dealing with death.
     Reply #24 - September 21, 2013, 05:01 PM


    Quote
    Don't worry about that. Call me what the fuck you like. It didn't even enter my mind that you're being too familiar. I don't really think about things like that.


    Ahh to be sane and normal.

    What I meant is, facing and understanding the nature of death has helped me personally put it in perspective. To give it proportionate value, time and consideration while I live my life. To appreciate living without having my mortality weigh on me and diminish the experience of being alive. Rather than perceiving death with a sense of dread or anxiety, I actually find it an interesting subject. Not as any kind of morbid fixation, but with respect to what it means to be alive, to be mortal, how it plays into the human experience, and so on.


    In my initial question/clarification I did mention that you are younger than I (I would have thought). Therein might lie a difference amongst other things. I wrote a 150 words on queues in the random thought thread, and this is death/dying we are talking about.

    Having survived 27years of life (lots of cool people die at 27, I was cool at 27) I now wish to live till 77, it is not much to ask for, but my statistics, Pakistani male, smoker etc it would be a good age to reach. If I changed my lifestyle it would be ok, as both my sisters are bona fide fitness instructors - and I have the same genetics. No complaints that you were not given enough time, to learn, love and fill your boots. I suppose my recent experience has made me think about death a bit more than most. For instance two very good friends. 1. Black dude, ex-business partnerish in fashion 'world' in fact it was his factory that GQ Magazine took pictures of me at work (sorry couldn't help myself - in fact I think my middle age has made me nostalgic and youse all have to sorta put up with it, too lazy to write offline, at least there is a record online) I loved the guy who was 12 years older - big character, jokes/smiles/jack the lad, we fall out over creativity, would have made up in a shot - rings me five months later and says he has pancreatic cancer - visit him - basically a skeleton - shook me up. 2nd dude died this year, my fault for having much older blokes as friends, though this guy was not a good person, he would have walked into a movie - in other words another character. Makes you think.

    Plus I should unsubscribe to the janazah notification, when a muslim dies in my town, young/old/otherwise.

    But I heed your words - so changing the subject - I read a post of yours that mentioned 'film school'. Are you involved in the writing or acting or production aspects. I have had a short movie made by the now defunct Screen West/East/Scotland/North etc bodies. I have written a full length movie, which was written on a course for 'gifted' writers - till the group leaders girlfriend took a dislike to me.

    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • Dealing with death.
     Reply #25 - September 22, 2013, 12:44 AM

    What I meant is, facing and understanding the nature of death has helped me personally put it in perspective. To give it proportionate value, time and consideration while I live my life. To appreciate living without having my mortality weigh on me and diminish the experience of being alive. Rather than perceiving death with a sense of dread or anxiety, I actually find it an interesting subject. Not as any kind of morbid fixation, but with respect to what it means to be alive, to be mortal, how it plays into the human experience, and so on.


    I'd like another stab. When I get these janazah notifications, most time than not I go mostly old but young too, there still some paki in me that wants a Islamic burial (I will see how that will pan it )but I also make point of viewing the deceased face, at that moment the absolute joy of being alive is realised.

    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • Dealing with death.
     Reply #26 - September 29, 2013, 07:29 AM

    In my initial question/clarification I did mention that you are younger than I (I would have thought). Therein might lie a difference amongst other things. I wrote a 150 words on queues in the random thought thread, and this is death/dying we are talking about.

    It's got nothing to do with age. Not everyone's experience is the same.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Dealing with death.
     Reply #27 - October 01, 2013, 11:29 PM

    It's got nothing to do with age. Not everyone's experience is the same.


    What does that mean? That not everyone is a junkie or that I haven't been abused by an older relative(Not aimed at anyone idk). Sure everybody has common experiences, childhood, first day at school, first kiss, puberty, first girl/boyetc friend, perhaps it manifests it differently if you are rich/poor, man/woman, black/white but each and everyone of us experiences love, hate, anger, joy jealousy, pride, hurt, sex, drugs and rock and roll etc etc

    Some people undergo the same event and have different experiences and some different events and the same experience.

    marriage, heartbreak, passion, birth and death.

    My brother dying - I was too little even if I remember every detail, the two individuals I talk about came after I turned 40. At 23 my friend and his dad died instantaneously in a 'event'. First circle friend but not the 'lads'. it was a Saturday night, 6 pm. I thought wtf why does it happen on Saturday night, as I was in full clubbing-mode - Saturday night?? I feel bad about that feeling even now. The death did not sink in till the next day. RIP.

    Tony Soparano died (or did he?) in drama. James Gandolphini(?) dies in real life.

    ETA - if someone had the same experiences as me, they would be me. Don't know its relevance, but it sounds sorta ok.

    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
  • Dealing with death.
     Reply #28 - October 01, 2013, 11:39 PM

    What I mean is, age is no indication of how one might perceive mortality or how one is dealing with the reality of death. It depends upon individual experience and situation.

    You seemed to be under the impression that something I said was due to my age.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Dealing with death.
     Reply #29 - October 01, 2013, 11:47 PM

    What I mean is, age is no indication of how one might perceive mortality or how one is dealing with the reality of death. It depends upon individual experience and situation.

    You seemed to be under the impression that something I said was due to my age.


    Fair enough.

    I visit/post on forums where the average of poster is late fifties, there is an 81 year old, as racist as Sir Patrick Moore, he disappears for a week everyone wonders if thing are ok. Visits to the hospital for opearations. Prayer thread lol where Christians pray for relatives and athiests even.

    What is common on most of them, is a lot of death notices of past and present 'celebrities', obscure stuff, now perhaps it is nostalgia, or of course those are people are old now, they gonna die (I am waiting for Kirk Douglas as an indicator for my dad)but it talked about more. Sure though you can be at one with it at any age, virtually.

    I am my own worst enemy and best friend, itsa bit of a squeeze in a three-quarter bed, tho. Unhinged!? If I was a dog I would be having kittens, that is unhinged. Footloose n fancy free, forced to fit, fated to fly. One or 2 words, 3 and 3/thirds, looking comely but lonely, till I made them homely.D
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