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 Topic: Things that Islam has gotten wrong

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  • Things that Islam has gotten wrong
     Reply #60 - October 25, 2013, 10:23 PM
    Slavery was and will always be ok.
    ***~Church is where bad people go to hide~***
  • Things that Islam has gotten wrong
     Reply #61 - October 25, 2013, 10:50 PM
    Women are deficient in intelligence.

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    Once Allah's Apostle went out to the Musalla (to offer the prayer) o 'Id-al-Adha or Al-Fitr prayer. Then he passed by the women and said, "O women! Give alms, as I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-fire were you (women)." They asked, "Why is it so, O Allah's Apostle ?" He replied, "You curse frequently and are ungrateful to your husbands. I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you. A cautious sensible man could be led astray by some of you." The women asked, "O Allah's Apostle! What is deficient in our intelligence and religion?" He said, "Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?" They replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her intelligence. Isn't it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?" The women replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her religion.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Things that Islam has gotten wrong
     Reply #62 - October 25, 2013, 10:50 PM
    A virgin gave birth.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Things that Islam has gotten wrong
     Reply #63 - October 25, 2013, 10:51 PM
    Said virgin gave birth to a boy. Male chromosome anyone? Roll Eyes
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Things that Islam has gotten wrong
     Reply #64 - October 25, 2013, 10:58 PM
    Islam is the worlds first monotheist religion. I seriously hate the mental gymnastics claiming that everything before including Judaism and Christianity was Islam but the wrong version of Islam. Plagiarism with excuses.
    ***~Church is where bad people go to hide~***
  • Things that Islam has gotten wrong
     Reply #65 - October 25, 2013, 11:09 PM
    Sperm comes from between the spine and the ribs, or something like that. Either way it isn't the testacies.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Things that Islam has gotten wrong
     Reply #66 - October 26, 2013, 12:05 AM
    camel piss cures diesease
  • Things that Islam has gotten wrong
     Reply #67 - October 26, 2013, 03:23 AM
    Quote from: Quod Sum Eris on October 25, 2013, 10:50 PM
    Women are deficient in intelligence.

    Well that's partially correct. Not a total fail.
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Things that Islam has gotten wrong
     Reply #68 - April 08, 2014, 07:51 PM
    Quote from: Quod Sum Eris on October 25, 2013, 10:50 PM
    A virgin gave birth.


    She was artificially inseminated
    "I Knew who I was this morning, but I've changed a few times since then." Alice in wonderland

    "This is the only heaven we have how dare you make it a hell" Dr Marlene Winell
  • Things that Islam has gotten wrong
     Reply #69 - April 08, 2014, 08:05 PM
    Creatures made of fire. Fire is a process. You can't create something out of fire the same way you can't create something out of rusting.
  • Things that Islam has gotten wrong
     Reply #70 - April 08, 2014, 08:12 PM
    in the OP Toona  said  this on October 23, 2013, 05:48 AM:
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    Muslims are often boasting about things Islam has gotten right 1400 years ago before they had advanced scientific knowledge. What I'd like to do here is to make a list of the things that Islam has gotten wrong, such as:
    .........................

     and me said this

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    hello Toona......  Islam got nothing right and NOTHING NEW that was not there before the birth of that alleged Prophet Muhammad.  ..


    And after 7months of Toona post.,  I still don't see anything Islam got  that is NEW and that was not there before Islam. Well except silly stories and stories of Quran and hadith...
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Things that Islam has gotten wrong
     Reply #71 - April 08, 2014, 08:28 PM
    Quote from: Descent on April 08, 2014, 08:05 PM
    Creatures made of fire. Fire is a process. You can't create something out of fire the same way you can't create something out of rusting.


    But it was magical, smokeless fire. That’s different.   yes
  • Things that Islam has gotten wrong
     Reply #72 - April 09, 2014, 05:32 PM
    The moon is a source of light.
  • Things that Islam has gotten wrong
     Reply #73 - April 09, 2014, 06:04 PM
    The earth is spread out like a carpet.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Things that Islam has gotten wrong
     Reply #74 - April 09, 2014, 07:36 PM
    Solomon could Dr Dolittle ants。
  • Things that Islam has gotten wrong
     Reply #75 - April 09, 2014, 10:52 PM
    Satan is a jinn named Iblis. We all know he's an archangel named Lucifer.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Things that Islam has gotten wrong
     Reply #76 - July 20, 2014, 04:51 AM
    Quote from: happymurtad on October 23, 2013, 03:09 PM
    Personally, I do believe that Muhammad meant that the sun was setting in a fetid spring. Of course, Muslims would never accept that. The following verses about Thul Qarnain reaching “the rising place of the sun” are even more telling to me. “He found it rising upon a people for whom we did not provide any shield against it.” If the Qur’an is not talking about a physical place from which the sun actually rose, then why the hell would the people there need a “shield” against it? It would just be like every other place on earth that experiences sunrise and does not require any special precautions. It’s clear to me that Muhammad meant to describe a people who were living at the place where the sun rose.


    Maybe the "shield" meant sunblocks? Subhanallah, see how the Quran vaguely predicted a product of the future?
  • Things that Islam has gotten wrong
     Reply #77 - July 20, 2014, 06:01 AM
    Quote from: osmanthus on October 26, 2013, 03:23 AM
    Well that's partially correct. Not a total fail.

    Huh?
  • Things that Islam has gotten wrong
     Reply #78 - July 20, 2014, 06:09 AM
    Quote from: Al-Alethia on July 20, 2014, 06:01 AM
    Huh?


    I believe that studies have shown that women are only smarter than men(taking averages of course) up to like late twenties-early thirties, and then men start being smarter(brain formation and stuff). At least I think that's what he meant Tongue
    أشهد أن لا إله
  • Things that Islam has gotten wrong
     Reply #79 - July 20, 2014, 12:21 PM
    Could we be utterly clear about something?  Does the koran say the sun sets?

    As that is an illusion due to the earth's rotation isn't that a huge error?
    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Things that Islam has gotten wrong
     Reply #80 - July 20, 2014, 12:32 PM
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JHEqBLG650

    And I see no reason why the next conclusions might not have been drawn - that the earth rotates and orbits the sun.
    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Things that Islam has gotten wrong
     Reply #81 - July 20, 2014, 04:33 PM
    Quote from: moi on July 20, 2014, 12:21 PM
    Could we be utterly clear about something?  Does the koran say the sun sets?

    yes
      "فلما بلغ مغرب الشمس وجدها تغرب في عين حمئة"
    "When he reached where the sun sets, he found it setting in a spring of mud/clay"
    I don't care about the mental gymnastics they employ. That's what it says.
    "Ours is the age which is proud of machines that think and suspicious of men who try to."
    هذا من فضل جدي
  • Things that Islam has gotten wrong
     Reply #82 - July 20, 2014, 04:46 PM
    What was the two easts and the two wests in the quran i have forgot ?
  • Things that Islam has gotten wrong
     Reply #83 - July 20, 2014, 05:01 PM
    Quote from: kulay on July 20, 2014, 04:33 PM
    yes
      "فلما بلغ مغرب الشمس وجدها تغرب في عين حمئة"
    "When he reached where the sun sets, he found it setting in a spring of mud/clay"
    I don't care about the mental gymnastics they employ. That's what it says.

     well let me give the link to that mental gymnastics language/word jugglery first
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    http://www.answering-christianity.com/sunrise_sunset.htm

    Did the Noble Quran really say that the sun sets and rises

    We discussed Surah 18 in great details, and I demonstrated 3 Miracles in It.

    yes miracles ...3 miracles in one chapter.. foool,., anyways let me put all the verses that "Sun" in them..

     Have you not considered him (Namrud) who disputed with Ibrahim about his Lord, because Allah had given him the kingdom? When Ibrahim said: My Lord is He who gives life and causes to die, he said: I give life and cause death. Ibrahim said: So surely Allah causes the sun to rise from the east, then make it rise from the west; thus he who disbelieved was confounded; and Allah does not guide aright the unjust people. (  Al-Baqara,   Verse #258)

    Then when he saw the sun rising, he said: Is this my Lord? Is this the greatest? So when it set, he said: O my people! surely I am clear of what you set up (with Allah).  ( Al-Anaam,   Verse #78)
     
    He causes the dawn to break; and He has made the night for rest, and the sun and the moon for reckoning; this is an arrangement of the Mighty, the Knowing  ( Al-Anaam,  Verse #96)

    Surely your Lord is Allah, Who created the heavens and the earth in six periods of time, and He is firm in power; He throws the veil of night over the day, which it pursues incessantly; and (He created) the sun and the moon and the stars, made subservient by His command; surely His is the creation and the command; blessed is Allah, the Lord of the worlds. (Al-Araf,  , Verse #54)

    He it is Who made the sun a shining brightness and the moon a light, and ordained for it mansions that you might know the computation of years and the reckoning. Allah did not create it but with truth; He makes the signs manifest for a people who know. (Yunus,   Verse #5)

    When Yusuf said to his father: O my father! surely I saw eleven stars and the sun and the moon-- I saw them making obeisance to me. [ (Yusuf, , Verse #4)

    Allah is He Who raised the heavens without any pillars that you see, and He is firm in power and He made the sun and the moon subservient (to you); each one pursues its course to an appointed time; He regulates the affair, making clear the signs that you may be certain of meeting your Lord .(  Ar-Rad,  Verse #2)

    and more verses in Quarn on sun..
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Things that Islam has gotten wrong
     Reply #84 - July 20, 2014, 05:19 PM
    Quote from: moi on July 20, 2014, 12:21 PM
    Could we be utterly clear about something?  Does the koran say the sun sets?

    As that is an illusion due to the earth's rotation isn't that a huge error?


    Not really - it's just that language often embeds or reflects the way that we, in a corporate sense,  subjectively experience the world - and once you get past the "magic words from heaven" formulation of Quranic speech and accept that it is human language unfolded in form, time and place, it becomes as uncontroversial as any other idiomatic or poetic expression,  such as the "four corners of the earth" or sunrise/sunset.
  • Things that Islam has gotten wrong
     Reply #85 - July 20, 2014, 05:22 PM
    Quote from: Quod Sum Eris on April 09, 2014, 10:52 PM
    Satan is a jinn named Iblis. We all know he's an archangel named Lucifer.


    Or just a semiticised version of the Greek word"Diabolos".
  • Things that Islam has gotten wrong
     Reply #86 - July 20, 2014, 05:25 PM
    But because people assert the koran is somehow special, can you play the idiom card?  What is and is not metaphorical?  Allah, god?  Human ideas and inventions?
    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Things that Islam has gotten wrong
     Reply #87 - July 20, 2014, 05:32 PM
    Well, that's an age-old hermeneutic question that was fiercely debated in the 9th and 10th centuries in an Islamic context;  if your a priori is that the quran is angelic speech then it can be tricky and you will eventually end up in intellectual, social and cultural oblivion - if you understand the Quran as human speech enacted in history, then there are an awful lot of options open.
  • Things that Islam has gotten wrong
     Reply #88 - July 20, 2014, 05:44 PM
    One option of course being that there are no gods...

    http://www.ccel.org/ccel/edwards/sermons.sinners.html

    Quote
    Their foot shall slide in due time. Deuteronomy 32:35

    In this verse is threatened the vengeance of God on the wicked unbelieving Israelites, who were God's visible people, and who lived under the means of grace; but who, notwithstanding all God's wonderful works towards them, remained (as vers 28.) void of counsel, having no understanding in them. Under all the cultivations of heaven, they brought forth bitter and poisonous fruit; as in the two verses next preceding the text. -- The expression I have chosen for my text, their foot shall slide in due time, seems to imply the following things, relating to the punishment and destruction to which these wicked Israelites were exposed.

    That they were always exposed to destruction; as one that stands or walks in slippery places is always exposed to fall. This is implied in the manner of their destruction coming upon them, being represented by their foot sliding. The same is expressed, Psalm 73:18. "Surely thou didst set them in slippery places; thou castedst them down into destruction."
    It implies, that they were always exposed to sudden unexpected destruction. As he that walks in slippery places is every moment liable to fall, he cannot foresee one moment whether he shall stand or fall the next; and when he does fall, he falls at once without warning: Which is also expressed in Psalm 73:18,19. "Surely thou didst set them in slippery places; thou castedst them down into destruction: How are they brought into desolation as in a moment!"

    Another thing implied is, that they are liable to fall of themselves, without being thrown down by the hand of another; as he that stands or walks on slippery ground needs nothing but his own weight to throw him down.


    That the reason why they are not fallen already and do not fall now is only that God's appointed time is not come. For it is said, that when that due time, or appointed time comes, their foot shall slide. Then they shall be left to fall, as they are inclined by their own weight. God will not hold them up in these slippery places any longer, but will let them go; and then, at that very instant, they shall fall into destruction; as he that stands on such slippery declining ground, on the edge of a pit, he cannot stand alone, when he is let go he immediately falls and is lost.

    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Things that Islam has gotten wrong
     Reply #89 - July 20, 2014, 05:47 PM
    I thought the verse in the latest translation piece said it all as far as the Qur'an's geocentric view of the universe:

    “The number of months in the sight of Allah is twelve. Ordained by Him on the day He created the heavens and the earth. Of them, four are sacred, that is the right religion.” (9:36)

    This statement is incorrect.

    In actual fact, on the day God created the heavens and earth (13.7 billion years ago) he ordained there to be an innumerable variation of months on the innumerable planets revolving around innumerable stars in this seemingly infinite universe.

    I think this could go on your "Better Qur'an" site, Rash old chap - something like the following would improve it:

    “The number of months on earth in the sight of Allah is twelve. Ordained by Him on the day He created the heavens and the earth, along with the billions and billions of variations on other planets in the universe. Of them (the 12 months on earth)[/u], four are sacred, that is the right religion.” (9:36)
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