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  • my second apostacy
     Reply #60 - November 19, 2013, 01:22 AM
    Quote from: three on November 19, 2013, 01:15 AM
    or which of us ties fishnets (can you?)

    No, but I can take the roof off a termite-addled old Japanese house.

    And so to work...

    (Go easy on Someguy. He is a decent sort.)
  • my second apostacy
     Reply #61 - November 19, 2013, 01:23 AM
    Quote from: movingfeet on November 19, 2013, 01:21 AM
    Bet they are expensive too.


    I think pretty near everything is expensive. But they could be worse. It depends where you live. Most are imported.
    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • my second apostacy
     Reply #62 - November 19, 2013, 01:24 AM
    Quote from: David on November 19, 2013, 01:22 AM
    No, but I can take the roof off a termite-addled old Japanese house.

    And so to work...

    (Go easy on Someguy. He is a decent sort.)


    I know you mean well. But telling me what to do is not a good idea. I left obedience inside my 40 Hadith and walked away. Not even DA gets away with it.

    You go. Take that roof off! Stomp a termite for me!
    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • my second apostacy
     Reply #63 - November 19, 2013, 01:25 AM
    Quote from: three on November 19, 2013, 01:15 AM
    I don't have to read the whole trail. My English is good enough to understand what "living as muslims" means. It means living as something you are not. If it is a mistake on your part, due to your phone, or your classism, then we can let it go. I just hope you realize that the uneducated masses of any religion are your equal, and mine. Because we are all equal. All of us. And each of us determines who we are, and who we are not. It does not matter what school we go to, or which of us ties fishnets (can you?), makes nappies from discarded shirts (I can), or programs in archaic C++. We are the same, all our masses.


    you know, forcefully mischaracterising my post (or even a religion) doesn't make it true.

    I'm sure your english is fine but that's not the problem.
  • my second apostacy
     Reply #64 - November 19, 2013, 01:27 AM
    Okay. So did you say "living as muslims", or not? I already gave you an out.

    I didn't do anything to any religion.
    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • my second apostacy
     Reply #65 - November 19, 2013, 01:31 AM
    Quote from: three on November 19, 2013, 01:10 AM
    Which experience is more valid? My bitter awakening to my own marginalization under Islamic thought and the Shariah- and subsequent freedom, or my blissful ignorance- when I was drowning in apologist literature and ripping my back to shreds in Taraweeh? Is there a conflict? I don't know... maybe self-deceit, denial, to self-awareness?  Cognitive dissonance. I will lean back and let you tell me where the conflict is. Where is the conflict?


    Out of the two of us, who sounds more conflicted? I'm sorry but I don't share your bitterness. Does that aggravate you?
  • my second apostacy
     Reply #66 - November 19, 2013, 01:32 AM
    Quote from: three on November 19, 2013, 01:23 AM
    I think pretty near everything is expensive. But they could be worse. It depends where you live. Most are imported.


    hm, I'll look into it
    "Work without hope draws nectar in a sieve, and hope without an object cannot live." -Coleridge

    http://sinofgreed.wordpress.com/
  • my second apostacy
     Reply #67 - November 19, 2013, 01:39 AM
    Quote from: three on November 19, 2013, 01:27 AM
    Okay. So did you say "living as muslims", or not? I already gave you an out.


    when at least one other person understood my post, why do you persist with this? here it is out of context (since you seem to prefer that):

    Quote
    I disagree, it's just a case of putting things in context... even so, plenty uneducated people live as muslims without worrying about intellectual honesty phantoms


    so like some crazed literalists, you want to assign meaning to "live as muslims" with your own preconceived notions? even when the author tells you that you're wrong?

    no wonder you left islam.
  • my second apostacy
     Reply #68 - November 19, 2013, 01:42 AM
    Quote from: someguy on November 19, 2013, 01:31 AM
    Out of the two of us, who sounds more conflicted? I'm sorry but I don't share your bitterness. Does that aggravate you?


    Unless you share my shoes, how can you share my bitterness? I am only aggravated by racism and classism, in that order.

    I note you still don't answer the question.
    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • my second apostacy
     Reply #69 - November 19, 2013, 01:50 AM
    Quote from: someguy on November 19, 2013, 01:39 AM
    when at least one other person understood my post, why do you persist with this? here it is out of context (since you seem to prefer that):

    so like some crazed literalists, you want to assign meaning to "live as muslims" with your own preconceived notions? even when the author tells you that you're wrong?

    no wonder you left islam.


    Oh, crazed literalists. Hmmm. So, it is wrong? It does not mean what it says? I can disregard it? There is no meaning, no implication? No sexism, no racism, no elitism? No disregard of humanity, of human rights?

    Man, I wish I could have done that with Hadith and Quran. I would have just plucked out a few useful things and disregarded the rest. Maybe I will re-enter the faith. I am Muslim. I am an ala carte Muslim. I am keeping Ghusl and Sadaqa, only.
    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • my second apostacy
     Reply #70 - November 19, 2013, 02:04 AM
    there will always be people who have a malicious reading, some might even fabricate the whole narrative - it's not an unfamiliar concept.

    I'd recommend giving the pick n mix method a try but you're carrying too much baggage.
  • my second apostacy
     Reply #71 - November 19, 2013, 02:15 AM
    Pick and mix Islam is called apologist dawah. It's a method. I left my baggage with my 40 Hadith. I kept my dhikr beads. I do what I want, without fear. Islam has more baggage than LAX.
    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • my second apostacy
     Reply #72 - November 19, 2013, 02:17 AM
    Quote from: someguy on November 19, 2013, 02:04 AM
    there will always be people who have a malicious reading, some might even fabricate the whole narrative - it's not an unfamiliar concept.

    I'd recommend giving the pick n mix method a try but you're carrying too much baggage.


    Isn't that being dishonest?
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • my second apostacy
     Reply #73 - November 19, 2013, 02:22 AM
    I'm not knowledgeable enough to be an apologist  who gives sneaky dawah.

    We both don't live in fear - is it because one of us is ignorant and the other is enlightened?

  • my second apostacy
     Reply #74 - November 19, 2013, 02:23 AM
    Quote from: Quod Sum Eris on November 19, 2013, 02:17 AM
    Isn't that being dishonest?


    no, it's a start.
  • my second apostacy
     Reply #75 - November 19, 2013, 02:27 AM
    You know, despite some really nice quotes coming out of all of this, I really don't like how it derailed this far from Cornflower's intent with making this topic.  She wanted to connect with people that have had similar journeys, not have to debate whether her purpose for leaving is justified or not.

    I am guilty in this too, so yeah. Sorry, Cornflower.
    "Work without hope draws nectar in a sieve, and hope without an object cannot live." -Coleridge

    http://sinofgreed.wordpress.com/
  • my second apostacy
     Reply #76 - November 19, 2013, 02:39 AM
    Quote from: someguy on November 19, 2013, 02:22 AM
    I'm not knowledgeable enough to be an apologist  who gives sneaky dawah.

    We both don't live in fear - is it because one of us is ignorant and the other is enlightened?




    I used to be one of those sneaky apologists. But I meant well. I just took whatever I liked out of context, helped right along by my translated apologist literature. I cherry picked my Islam to suit whoever I was helping into/remain in the faith. Blissfully, happily, knowing I was helping create and keep slaves to Allah. Sorry to my victims.

    Who is ignorant? Who is enlightened? According to most, enlightened has to do with waking up the parts of your mind that are not normally used. I don't do drugs, man.

    Nice to know you believe in Islam but not in hell. Good for you. Throw out the parts you don't want! Change the faith! Defend the Bid'aah! You could be the next Baha Ullah.
    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • my second apostacy
     Reply #77 - November 19, 2013, 02:40 AM
    Quote from: movingfeet on November 19, 2013, 02:27 AM
    You know, despite some really nice quotes coming out of all of this, I really don't like how it derailed this far from Cornflower's intent with making this topic.  She wanted to connect with people that have had similar journeys, not have to debate whether her purpose for leaving is justified or not.

    I am guilty in this too, so yeah. Sorry, Cornflower.


    You know, I am sorry, Cornflower is sweet and deserved a clean thread. But also I am known for this. I spew everything all over the place. I am so sloppy about it. I have the biggest mouth, you should hear me yelling in foreign tongues at the children. It is like staccato rap. I cannot control myself anymore. It's a huge improvement over mousy, obedient, me.
    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • my second apostacy
     Reply #78 - November 19, 2013, 02:42 AM
    Quote from: someguy on November 19, 2013, 02:23 AM
    no, it's a start.


    See, Quod, this is how you create a religion. You find some things you like and you keep them, and tell others about them, and then you throw away the rest.

    I wonder what this one will be called. I am all ears, here.
    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • my second apostacy
     Reply #79 - November 19, 2013, 02:47 AM
    Quote from: three on November 19, 2013, 02:40 AM
    You know, I am sorry, Cornflower is sweet and deserved a clean thread. But also I am known for this. I spew everything all over the place. I am so sloppy about it. I have the biggest mouth, you should hear me yelling in foreign tongues at the children. It is like staccato rap. I cannot control myself anymore. It's a huge improvement over mousy, obedient, me.


    Nah, I do it too, but I think I like Cornflower so that's why I am curbing myself.  That and the exact same debate is going on in his intro thead.  I think Quod just hit on Ex-hijabi in the most profoundly Islamic fashion in it too. I was impressed.
    "Work without hope draws nectar in a sieve, and hope without an object cannot live." -Coleridge

    http://sinofgreed.wordpress.com/
  • my second apostacy
     Reply #80 - November 19, 2013, 02:54 AM
    I gotta see.
    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • my second apostacy
     Reply #81 - November 19, 2013, 02:55 AM
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=25294
    "Work without hope draws nectar in a sieve, and hope without an object cannot live." -Coleridge

    http://sinofgreed.wordpress.com/
  • my second apostacy
     Reply #82 - November 19, 2013, 02:56 AM
    Believe me, that was all for the benefit of someguy Cheesy
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • my second apostacy
     Reply #83 - November 19, 2013, 03:02 AM
    Interesting love triangle.
    "Work without hope draws nectar in a sieve, and hope without an object cannot live." -Coleridge

    http://sinofgreed.wordpress.com/
  • my second apostacy
     Reply #84 - November 19, 2013, 03:14 AM
     Wink
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • my second apostacy
     Reply #85 - November 19, 2013, 04:08 AM
    I just lost it. I am beyond impressed.
    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • my second apostacy
     Reply #86 - November 19, 2013, 04:13 AM
    You may also want to check out the thread Jibbs started on why did you become a muslim parrot
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • my second apostacy
     Reply #87 - November 19, 2013, 04:18 AM
    If there is more humor in it, I might throw up. I just laughed so hard I think I hurt my back.
    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • my second apostacy
     Reply #88 - November 19, 2013, 04:27 AM
    I am brilliant.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • my second apostacy
     Reply #89 - November 19, 2013, 08:46 AM
    Quote from: someguy on November 19, 2013, 02:04 AM
    I'd recommend giving the pick n mix method a try

    Islam reinvents the wheel, declares all previous wheels to be mere mock-ups. The perfect Islamic wheel-for-all-time has cast iron spokes and a non-pneumatic rubber tyre (a true scientific miracle in 700 AD).

    Fast forward to 2013. Islam reinvents the smartphone (lets call it the Peace Mobile). It is the perfect phone for all time. Other phones may be faster, lighter, sleeker, but you love your Peace Mobile.

    True, it has an annoying habit of crashing, especially when processing large amounts of new information. But you love the information already stored within.

    True, it only works only on one network and its roaming capabilities are severely limited. But why roam when all earthly and celestial perfection is already within your grasp?

    Who could ever tire of a Peace Mobile? Its best bits are the best.
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