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  • Britain's first white honour killing
     Reply #30 - November 23, 2013, 04:38 AM
    I know that guy.
    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • Britain's first white honour killing
     Reply #31 - November 23, 2013, 05:39 AM
     Cheesy
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Britain's first white honour killing
     Reply #32 - November 23, 2013, 07:10 AM
    The name is obviously somewhat facetious but I'm making a serious point. I realise that convention would make it impractical to use actual profanity in the legal description of a crime, but if a seperate category is necessary something could easily be done to give it a name that indicates abhorrence.

    The problem with calling it "honour killing" is that anyone who commits such a crime is going to be the sort of person who would think "Honour killing! Fuck yeah! Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa honour! I keel you!", so by calling it that you're simply playing to their existing attitudes. What would be better is to make sure it's known by a term which doesn't allow them that luxury.
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  • Britain's first white honour killing
     Reply #33 - November 24, 2013, 01:04 AM
    See, DA and I have been debating this off and on for a week or so now. He is mostly in your camp, if I understand it correctly. Today he explained to me in terms I understood better, probably because it was on the phone and not in text.
    He stated that if it is labeled as honour, it would justify the act and perpetuate the issue.
    I am coming at it from the other end, from the crisis worker and law enforcement's point of view, from prevention and prosecution, as deterrents.
    If you look at serial killers, however, if that is an apt comparison (I am not sure it is), then you would be right. Labeling the crime for what it is, giving it media attention, perpetuates it and creates copy cats. This comparison does not take social pressure into account, though, which is a huge part of the problem, and I have seen firsthand the cultural typical response to honour killings in the news, when viewed by fans of honour culture. It's not very pretty, and reinforces  this sick version of "honour", definitely.
     
    So now I am on the fence. Now I can see it both ways, but I still cannot discern which would overhaul the cultural consciousness and create a lasting change.
    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • Britain's first white honour killing
     Reply #34 - November 24, 2013, 01:47 AM
    Quote from: Quod Sum Eris on November 22, 2013, 11:37 PM
    How about we call it reputation murder? That's what it is. Yes I agree with you that it needs to be identified specifically for the type of crime it is, but calling it "honour" is pathetic. It has fuck all to do with honour, it's just reputation/what other people think.


    Note the sentence highlighted in bold.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Britain's first white honour killing
     Reply #35 - November 24, 2013, 02:25 AM
    I know, and you are right, in my original view. But the serial killing comparison complicates it for me, and makes it so that calling it by any other name (thank you Shakespeare, again) would still be calling attention to it.
    I can't decide, now, in light of that. It occurred to me as I was replying. I might be so emotionally invested in it, from the crisis viewpoint, that I cannot be objective.
    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • Britain's first white honour killing
     Reply #36 - November 24, 2013, 02:35 AM
    Again, call attention to it as a specific crime. Don't glamorise it this way. Imagine if paedophilia had the legal definition of 'Jail bait'.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Britain's first white honour killing
     Reply #37 - November 24, 2013, 02:36 AM
    That is a very good example.

    Perhaps I learn best by examples
    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • Britain's first white honour killing
     Reply #38 - November 24, 2013, 02:47 AM
    Or if rape was known as "Short Skirt".  Roll Eyes

    Calling it "honour" killing is as reprehensible as calling rape "Skirt to short".
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Britain's first white honour killing
     Reply #39 - November 24, 2013, 02:52 AM
    Yes. Perhaps a name based on the Latin would be better.
    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • Britain's first white honour killing
     Reply #40 - November 24, 2013, 03:04 AM
    Interesting debate on semantics. Reminds me of my issue with the arranged marriage thread.
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  • Britain's first white honour killing
     Reply #41 - November 24, 2013, 03:08 AM
    Let me guess: it was about all marriages having to be arranged by someone, and that being different to forced marriage?
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  • Britain's first white honour killing
     Reply #42 - November 24, 2013, 03:09 AM
    Never underestimate semantics Wink
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Britain's first white honour killing
     Reply #43 - November 24, 2013, 03:11 AM
    Did you make your stance on the terminology while acknowledging that the definition of the term "honor" is subjective depending on the culture, Quod?

    Quote from: osmanthus on November 24, 2013, 03:08 AM
    Let me guess: it was about all marriages having to be arranged by someone, and that being different to forced marriage?


    No.
    "Work without hope draws nectar in a sieve, and hope without an object cannot live." -Coleridge

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  • Britain's first white honour killing
     Reply #44 - November 24, 2013, 03:11 AM
    Quote from: Quod Sum Eris on November 24, 2013, 03:09 AM
    Never underestimate semantics Wink


    Very true.
    "Work without hope draws nectar in a sieve, and hope without an object cannot live." -Coleridge

    http://sinofgreed.wordpress.com/
  • Britain's first white honour killing
     Reply #45 - November 24, 2013, 03:12 AM
    By the way, typical of the Daily Mail to make a noise about "Britain's first white honour killing". Coz y'know, being white makes it important and all.
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Britain's first white honour killing
     Reply #46 - November 24, 2013, 03:16 AM
    Quote from: movingfeet on November 24, 2013, 03:11 AM
    Did you make your stance on the terminology while acknowledging that the definition of the term "honor" is subjective depending on the culture, Quod?


    Not sure what you mean. I commented on honour, not honor. Bloody Americans.

    Quote from: osmanthus on November 24, 2013, 03:12 AM
    By the way, typical of the Daily Mail to make a noise about "Britain's first white honour killing". Coz y'know, being white makes it important and all.


    I actually do think that it's worth noting. The fact that "outsiders" can be subjected to the same treatment as those in the community (probably not the best term) is an interesting development.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Britain's first white honour killing
     Reply #47 - November 24, 2013, 03:19 AM
    "Not sure what you mean. I commented on honour, not honor. Bloody Americans."

     Wink Hahaha. Comment of the night. Thanks.
    "Work without hope draws nectar in a sieve, and hope without an object cannot live." -Coleridge

    http://sinofgreed.wordpress.com/
  • Britain's first white honour killing
     Reply #48 - November 24, 2013, 03:23 AM
    Quote from: osmanthus on November 24, 2013, 03:12 AM
    By the way, typical of the Daily Mail to make a noise about "Britain's first white honour killing". Coz y'know, being white makes it important and all.


    I did think that was odd. Because it is not Britain's first white honour killing, at all.
    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • Britain's first white honour killing
     Reply #49 - November 24, 2013, 03:24 AM
    Quote from: movingfeet on November 24, 2013, 03:19 AM
    "Not sure what you mean. I commented on honour, not honor. Bloody Americans."

     Wink Hahaha. Comment of the night. Thanks.


    Quod does not know how annoying spell check can be.
    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • Britain's first white honour killing
     Reply #50 - November 24, 2013, 03:40 AM
    Quod does indeed know how annoying spellcheck can be.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Britain's first white honour killing
     Reply #51 - November 24, 2013, 04:06 AM
    The color of the night is just beautiful.
    "Work without hope draws nectar in a sieve, and hope without an object cannot live." -Coleridge

    http://sinofgreed.wordpress.com/
  • Britain's first white honour killing
     Reply #52 - November 24, 2013, 04:08 AM
    Color isn't a word. I'm assuming you mean colour. Bloody Americans.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Britain's first white honour killing
     Reply #53 - November 24, 2013, 04:10 AM
    I don't recognize the difference.  dance
    "Work without hope draws nectar in a sieve, and hope without an object cannot live." -Coleridge

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  • Britain's first white honour killing
     Reply #54 - November 24, 2013, 04:14 AM
    So many comments in reply to that.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Britain's first white honour killing
     Reply #55 - November 24, 2013, 04:16 AM
     Afro
    "Work without hope draws nectar in a sieve, and hope without an object cannot live." -Coleridge

    http://sinofgreed.wordpress.com/
  • Britain's first white honour killing
     Reply #56 - November 24, 2013, 05:39 AM
    Quote from: Quod Sum Eris on November 24, 2013, 04:08 AM
    Bloody Americans.

    Semi-literate, tax-evading, treasonous tossers, the lot of them. bunny
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  • Britain's first white honour killing
     Reply #57 - November 24, 2013, 05:40 AM
    Oh and so they can read the above, I'll translate it to Murrican.

    "Zemi-literate, tax-evading, treazonoz tozzerz, the lot of them. "
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  • Britain's first white honour killing
     Reply #58 - November 24, 2013, 05:46 AM
     Cheesy
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Britain's first white honour killing
     Reply #59 - November 24, 2013, 05:51 AM
    List of S states (there's no U, y'see).

    Tah
    Arkanzaz
    Wizconzin
    Tennezzee
    Kentcky
    ........
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