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  • BBC Radio 4 programme on Ex-Muslims
     OP - November 26, 2013, 11:29 PM

    BBC Radio 4 programme 'Leaving the Faith' will be broadcast on 27th November (Wednesday) at 11am.

    There is a preview clip of the programme on the site now:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03jb3n5

    I need to remember to listen to it when I get home tomorrow evening  Smiley

  • BBC Radio 4 programme on Ex-Muslims
     Reply #1 - November 27, 2013, 12:23 AM

    Thanks for the reminder. Afro

    Finally the Beeb are actually reporting on ex-Muslims. Afro  Hopefully this will give us some good exposure.  Kudos to those London ex-Muslims who participated in this.

    "Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so." -- Bertrand Russell

    Baloney Detection Kit
  • BBC Radio 4 programme on Ex-Muslims
     Reply #2 - November 27, 2013, 12:42 AM

    Fuck, it'll be on catch-up right?

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • BBC Radio 4 programme on Ex-Muslims
     Reply #3 - November 27, 2013, 12:54 AM

    it will be on i-player afterwards.

    BBC Newsnight report on ex-Muslims coming up soon too, possibly this week

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • BBC Radio 4 programme on Ex-Muslims
     Reply #4 - November 27, 2013, 12:56 AM

    International vid player access?

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • BBC Radio 4 programme on Ex-Muslims
     Reply #5 - November 27, 2013, 01:11 AM

    i-player is available to UK only. Hopefully there might be an upload after. Or else use one of those proxy things.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • BBC Radio 4 programme on Ex-Muslims
     Reply #6 - November 27, 2013, 01:22 AM

    Thanks for the reminder. Afro

    Finally the Beeb are actually reporting on ex-Muslims. Afro  Hopefully this will give us some good exposure.  Kudos to those London ex-Muslims who participated in this.

    Wow is it the first time they are reporting?
    I dnt want to miss this  grin12
  • BBC Radio 4 programme on Ex-Muslims
     Reply #7 - November 27, 2013, 01:38 AM

    International vid player access?


    You know you can use programs to get past that right?

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • BBC Radio 4 programme on Ex-Muslims
     Reply #8 - November 27, 2013, 03:09 AM

    Lazy innit. Tongue

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • BBC Radio 4 programme on Ex-Muslims
     Reply #9 - November 27, 2013, 11:00 AM

    Starting now

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/player/bbc_radio_four


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • BBC Radio 4 programme on Ex-Muslims
     Reply #10 - November 27, 2013, 11:32 AM

    It was good.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • BBC Radio 4 programme on Ex-Muslims
     Reply #11 - November 27, 2013, 12:19 PM

    Anyway any of us nonBritish can listen to it?

    "so now, if you leave (Allahu A?lam is you already have) what will u do??? go out and show ur body to all the men??? sleep with countless men?? maashaAllah if you think think this is freedom or womens right then may Allah guide you to that which is correct."
  • BBC Radio 4 programme on Ex-Muslims
     Reply #12 - November 27, 2013, 12:44 PM

    Did anyone find it weird when that particular guy said he changed his name to Alex something? Like the other person said, he did almost sound like he wished to be white, not that being white is anything bad, but what is bad is having that sort of inferiority complex.

    Living life as an ex-muslim can cause one to detest their family or background but it's important not to let that hate consume you...



  • BBC Radio 4 programme on Ex-Muslims
     Reply #13 - November 27, 2013, 07:10 PM

    The program I used to record it split the recording into two separate files for some reason.

    Part 1 (17.61 MB)

    http://www23.zippyshare.com/v/84169865/file.html

    Part 2 (8.11 MB)

    http://www23.zippyshare.com/v/95688742/file.html

    If anyone knows how, I'd appreciate it if you merge the two files together.

    19:46   <zizo>: hugs could pimp u into sex

    Quote from: yeezevee
    well I am neither ex-Muslim nor absolute 100% Non-Muslim.. I am fucking Zebra

  • BBC Radio 4 programme on Ex-Muslims
     Reply #14 - November 27, 2013, 08:21 PM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQYigzgpPV8
  • BBC Radio 4 programme on Ex-Muslims
     Reply #15 - November 27, 2013, 09:23 PM

    I thought it was a well-made programme.  Afro Covered a good range of issues concerning ex-Muslims, except science and morality.  WTF man!  The reasons for rejecting Islam could have got a bit more coverage.

    Anyway, kudos to the Beeb for this programme. parrot

    "Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so." -- Bertrand Russell

    Baloney Detection Kit
  • BBC Radio 4 programme on Ex-Muslims
     Reply #16 - November 27, 2013, 09:33 PM

    It was a great 1st step in terms of mainstream media coverage that highlights the issues most apostates face.

    I agree that there was not enough coverage of *why* Ex-Muslims leave Islam. But then, I've found this to be the pattern among some people: they like to believe that we left simply because we were angry at our families, or didn't like certain things some Muslims do. Often, the real intellectual, theological, and philosophical reasons that we give in interviews are left out, and the whole focus becomes "Oh they didn't get to see 'real' Islam, that's why they're bitter".

    Meh.

    It's still a very good step and the show was quite well done. I loved all the interviews and the diversity of points of view. And this documentary ruffled quite a lot of feathers on Twitter today too Grin

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • BBC Radio 4 programme on Ex-Muslims
     Reply #17 - November 27, 2013, 09:46 PM

    This made for quite a good start, even if the 'brown people' section made me cringe quite hard. Mainly because my first thought was 'great, here's some ammo for people who say ex-muslims are just self-hating wannabe white people'. Then again, that's probably because I suffered from a (less explicitly racialized) variant of this delusion myself back in my last days on the Siratul Mustaqim.

    As to the whys and wherefores; while there may be no end of reasons not to believe, I suspect they'll be seen as somewhere in between too worthy to broadcast or too inconvenient to spell out. Then again, I've been known to be cynical for no good reason.
  • BBC Radio 4 programme on Ex-Muslims
     Reply #18 - November 27, 2013, 10:36 PM

    Did anyone find it weird when that particular guy said he changed his name to Alex something? Like the other person said, he did almost sound like he wished to be white, not that being white is anything bad, but what is bad is having that sort of inferiority complex.


    Couldn't have been our own Alex Lam could it? What ever happened that character . . . Last I heard they got banned but aren't people allowed back after a while provided they behave?
  • BBC Radio 4 programme on Ex-Muslims
     Reply #19 - November 27, 2013, 10:47 PM

    Couldn't have been our own Alex Lam could it?


    No that was not him.

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • BBC Radio 4 programme on Ex-Muslims
     Reply #20 - November 27, 2013, 10:50 PM

    Thanks Allat.
  • BBC Radio 4 programme on Ex-Muslims
     Reply #21 - November 28, 2013, 12:41 AM

    Did anyone find it weird when that particular guy said he changed his name to Alex something? Like the other person said, he did almost sound like he wished to be white, not that being white is anything bad, but what is bad is having that sort of inferiority complex.

    Living life as an ex-muslim can cause one to detest their family or background but it's important not to let that hate consume you...






    I did think that sounded strange, but is it analogous to people changing their name to an Islamic name when they become Muslim? Sometimes those conversions involve a degree of distancing from ones own identity. Muslims don't think twice when that happens.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • BBC Radio 4 programme on Ex-Muslims
     Reply #22 - November 28, 2013, 12:48 AM

    I thought it was a really good piece overall. I'm happy that ex-Muslim voices are beginning to be heard. Lets see what Newsnight brings. Should be broadcast soon, perhaps Thursday night.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • BBC Radio 4 programme on Ex-Muslims
     Reply #23 - November 28, 2013, 03:20 AM

    Thank you for bringing this to our attention and for putting it up.

    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • BBC Radio 4 programme on Ex-Muslims
     Reply #24 - November 28, 2013, 04:58 AM

    Is Quod goes to do some stand-up comedy?

    Was anyone from CEMB interviewed? No need to toss out names. Just wondering in general.
  • BBC Radio 4 programme on Ex-Muslims
     Reply #25 - November 28, 2013, 08:39 AM

    I thought it was a well-made programme.  Afro Covered a good range of issues concerning ex-Muslims, except science and morality.  WTF man!  The reasons for rejecting Islam could have got a bit more coverage.

    Anyway, kudos to the Beeb for this programme. parrot


    Hopefully it is an introduction with more arguments in later programming.
  • BBC Radio 4 programme on Ex-Muslims
     Reply #26 - November 28, 2013, 08:54 AM

    Is Quod goes to do some stand-up comedy?

    I'm hoping that's a compliment. Wink

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • BBC Radio 4 programme on Ex-Muslims
     Reply #27 - November 28, 2013, 09:35 PM

    Quote
    Ex-Muslims are living the British dream – Britain should support them

    There was an excellent Radio 4 documentary on yesterday in which Sarfraz Manzoor interviewed a group of people you don’t hear much about – ex-Muslims.

    Like all good radio documentaries, it left me wanting to know more about the individuals involved, feeling more confused about the world, and with mixed feelings too. On the one hand I can understand that Dover Beach sadness of people falling away from religion, and why the parents of those interviewed would feel devastated by that loss.

    On the other hand, the ex-Muslims are right. They’re right to question the beliefs they were brought up with, and they’re right to see the inconsistencies and those aspects where Islam’s morality clashes with theirs, and to follow what they think to be right.

    It’s also good for the society around them; the irony is that ex-Muslims have embraced the British dream like no others by adopting the mainstream British mode of belief, that is unbelief and scepticism, and yet society not only does not welcomes this, it almost discourages it, is embarrassed by it.

    One of the assumptions about immigration was that people from other religions would eventually start to believe as much as Anglicans do, or just leave the faith; yet at the same time the British establishment and state has and continues to protect minority faiths from the sorts of criticism and ridicule that would aide this process. Partly this is out of politeness, or to prevent social disorder, or confusion about race, or part of a political strategy played out both by Labour and Conservatives, secularists and Christians.

    Both secularists and Christians have promoted multiculturalism in order to build a society that suited them more, and at the moment I note that New Humanist magazine and the Catholic Bishops of England and Wales are at one on diversity and immigration, although for different reasons, and at least one of them is sure to be disappointed (maybe both). Labour has promoted the mosques for their own ends, but our current government is trying to make itself more ‘pro-faith’, whatever that means, both pro-church and pro-mosque, as if all religions were just a variation of colourful outfits, rather than belief systems that inherently clash surely as secular ideologies do.

    In reality the ideal for British social cohesion would be for lots of Muslims (and Hindus and Sikhs) to become atheists, agnostics or very wishy-washy Anglicans. That we can’t admit this is at the heart of the integration problem facing an unbelieving society.

    Religion used to be the way to join the tribe. In the 19th century a second or third generation immigrant could put away his ethnicity by one single act – joining the Church of England. One could still be a Catholic or Jewish Englishmen, just as one can be Muslim and British today, but taking that sacrament was an expression of total immersion, almost a baptism of identity, and one far more powerful than answering a set of questions about how many weeks benefit we’re entitled to or what proportion of the UK population is addicted to smack. The issue of assimilation is more important today than it was in the 19th century because minority religions are far larger, and they’re growing. PEW estimate that the percentage of the UK population that is Muslim will pass the 8 per cent mark in the 2020s. And yet the apostasy rate is incredibly small – just 0.5 per cent of Pakistani-Britons described themselves as having no religion in the last census.

    So how does one become British now? Sitting in a pub talking about how there is no God seems pretty close to me. How typically perfidious and hypocritical that British society does not acknowledge or welcome this.


    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/edwest/2013/11/ex-muslims-are-living-the-british-dream-britain-should-support-them/

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • BBC Radio 4 programme on Ex-Muslims
     Reply #28 - November 28, 2013, 10:07 PM

    Approx 650,000 Pakistanis in Britain - MCB - that is 4,000 CEMB Members there!

    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • BBC Radio 4 programme on Ex-Muslims
     Reply #29 - November 28, 2013, 10:34 PM

    Thanks! Great find.

    Love this one: Hinduism is true...it's the worlds oldest religion.

    I would disown my children if they leave islam.

    Omg!

    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
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