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  • What do you think happens after death?
     OP - December 01, 2013, 04:00 PM

    what do you think happens now that you're no longer a muslim?

    I think that you just rot in the ground which is a scary thought but we can never be sure i guess. this was probably what i was most fearful of when contemplating whether i should leave islam or not. i'm curious to know what you all think
  • What do you think happens after death?
     Reply #1 - December 01, 2013, 04:24 PM

    Our energy is passed on to the earth. It'll be passed on to soil and worms and grass and animals and people, working to sustain life as the energy of other life has sustained us in life. Circle of life. Smiley

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • What do you think happens after death?
     Reply #2 - December 13, 2013, 11:52 AM

    After leaving Islam I fear more death now than I used to. But it is just the fear of the non-existence. Which is also stupid, because if we wont exist, why would I be worry about that?
    As long as we exist, we don't have an answer to it. So wait for your death lol
    Maybe we will come back again as human beings or other living organisms. Who knows?

    Our energy is passed on to the earth. It'll be passed on to soil and worms and grass and animals and people, working to sustain life as the energy of other life has sustained us in life. Circle of life. Smiley

    Technically speaking, this is what happens.
  • What do you think happens after death?
     Reply #3 - December 13, 2013, 12:18 PM

    I said life one time to many. Cheesy

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • What do you think happens after death?
     Reply #4 - December 13, 2013, 12:29 PM

    I don't know, and I don't care. Once upon a time this was important to me, but I've come to a place in my life where I think that it's far more importan to contemplate on this life here and now. Live life to your FULLEST and death shouldn't be so scary. I have no fear of death, I only fear that I won't do all the things I missed in life due to Islam before my youth runs out.

    "The healthiest people I know are those who are the first to label themselves fucked up." - three
  • What do you think happens after death?
     Reply #5 - December 13, 2013, 12:34 PM

    I get that. My biggest fear is missed oppitunity. I don't want to be an old man on my death bed looking back on a life filled with regret. I wish I'd had one more drink. I wish I'd got on that train. I wish I'd kissed the girl. Fuck that shit. Grab life by the balls and live it.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • What do you think happens after death?
     Reply #6 - December 13, 2013, 01:33 PM

    It is the fear of death that makes me appreciate life as it is. I'm afraid of death, but this doesn't mean I will live my whole life waiting for it. Life is happening now, enjoy Wink
  • What do you think happens after death?
     Reply #7 - December 13, 2013, 01:50 PM

    Wise words.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • What do you think happens after death?
     Reply #8 - December 13, 2013, 02:05 PM

    Honestly I have no idea. I do not know what happens to "me" in the context of my consciousness or "mind". My body will rot, this is a fact. Sure I like the idea of an after-life but I feel no need to ascribe to a whole religious ideologue to entertain the idea of an after-life. Besides there are many different types of after-life. No even all the "paradise" versions are similar. Beside this my concept of "God" doesn't pass judgement on beliefs but actions/deeds. Any God which judges a person on their beliefs is petty, selfish and well evil in my opinion.

    I do not know is really the best answer I can give. This answer may not be acceptable to everyone which I accept and understand.
  • What do you think happens after death?
     Reply #9 - December 13, 2013, 02:16 PM

    I think that everything that makes me me, my consciousness, my soul, will die. It doesn't frighten me, it just emphasises how precious life is and how lucky I am to be here.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • What do you think happens after death?
     Reply #10 - December 13, 2013, 04:09 PM

    I am not concerned about an after-life. I rather live my life to it's fullest than dread over "what ifs". I see such lines of thoughts debilitating which can consume a person mentally and physically.
  • What do you think happens after death?
     Reply #11 - December 13, 2013, 06:15 PM

    what do you think happens now that you're no longer a muslim?

    I think that you just rot in the ground which is a scary thought but we can never be sure i guess. this was probably what i was most fearful of when contemplating whether i should leave islam or not. i'm curious to know what you all think


    Give me good, valid reasons as to why that is scarier then being punished in your grave, and being burned alive with your skins reproduced over and over again for eternity.
  • What do you think happens after death?
     Reply #12 - December 13, 2013, 07:17 PM

    I don't believe in souls or the afterlife. I don't fear death, but I am not ready to keel over just yet no matter the depressive moods I get in. Still much to be done. But when my son is grown and I feel ready, I would love to die and find out the truth once and for all. If there really is no soul or afterlife, then I will just provide nourishment to the planet. That's cool too.

    "Work without hope draws nectar in a sieve, and hope without an object cannot live." -Coleridge

    http://sinofgreed.wordpress.com/
  • What do you think happens after death?
     Reply #13 - December 13, 2013, 07:45 PM

    I use soul not in a religious sense, more in a poetic one. You say soul and in conjurs certain things, the essence of the self, who we are, our thoughts, feelings, desires, individuality, etc. My soul (me, everything I am, what makes me who I am) will cease to be.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • What do you think happens after death?
     Reply #14 - December 13, 2013, 09:16 PM

    Better definition of it.

    "Work without hope draws nectar in a sieve, and hope without an object cannot live." -Coleridge

    http://sinofgreed.wordpress.com/
  • What do you think happens after death?
     Reply #15 - February 16, 2014, 12:18 AM

    what do you think happens now that you're no longer a muslim?

    I think that you just rot in the ground which is a scary thought but we can never be sure i guess. this was probably what i was most fearful of when contemplating whether i should leave islam or not. i'm curious to know what you all think

    What do you mean you can't be sure?

    Why do you think any part of you would survive after your death? Do you mean, just because a bunch of idiots from thousands of years ago came up with the idea (while not having any scientific knowledge about the world)?
  • What do you think happens after death?
     Reply #16 - February 16, 2014, 02:07 AM

    I struggle with this so much, especially when I first contemplated it, it has abated somewhat now, but still lingers on the periphery of my consciousness.

    We live, we feel, we laugh, we cry, we love, we lie and then we die. We go back to the state of nothingness that preceded our conception. For us, we go back to the state of nothingness that preceded the Big Bang. For us, the Big Bang never happened, the universe never came into existence, the stars didn't go supernova, the sun didn't flicker into life, the planets didn't start their violent lives, and the seeds of our evolution didn't sprout.

    We have always existed as matter, as atoms and will continue to do so as long as the universe remains. But does that not highlight the futility of our being as sentient conglomerations of individual atoms? We exist for at most the best part of a century, we survive at most 100 revolutions around our star. We come into being from a state of non-being, then develop the capacity to contemplate our existence and mortality. For all the promise that life bestows, it turns out to be nothing more than a trick, an illusion and an anomaly. The universe did not intend to bear life, it does not have the capacity to decide against it, and it cannot terminate it once put in motion. We are the great cosmic accident, which as a whole may be irreversible. From the viewpoint of an individual however, it is finite, and if it were the work of sentience, it is cruel. To live means to hope, and that hope is horribly misplaced when one considers that just as none of us existed 200 years ago, none of us will exist two centuries from now. We were once never alive and soon it will be as if we never were once alive.

    We leave fragments of our impact on existence, we leave imprints, we leave creed, we leave destruction and we leave signs that we roamed this earth. Or we, our lives and our deaths are completely eroded by the sands of time. Millions have lived, died and been forgotten without leaving a single mark. One must question if these people ever did really live, then one must also accept the same fate for oneself.

    And once we are dead, once we don't exist, didn't exist and shall never exist, our struggles and our triumphs shall matter to us no more. If I die now, if I had died in childbirth or in my mother's womb, it would not make a difference. If I die in 10 years, in a century or in a millennium, it shall not make a difference. I could live a life of fulfilment or a life of agony and the end result would always be the same, it would be as if it never happened.

    I attempt to argue against our futile existence by striving to leave the best impact I possibly can on the world, whilst simultaneously attempting to do as little damage as possible. I find it would be prudent and poetic to draw a line in the proverbial sand, or to put it a better way: carve my imprint on the earth in a small secluded part of the most remote mountain, so that it does not obtrude on those that do not mourn my passing. Those who do wish to remember, can seek it out and find it. Here I would write a simple message, but one that cannot be refuted or negated, and one that would allow my life to not be as meaningless and temporary as I feared whilst alive. This message would stand forever, never to die and never to cease, it would read: I Was Here


    But alas, even for this seemingly never-ending documentation of our being, impermanence strikes. Long after all life on this Earth has vanished, the Sun will die and expand to engulf our world, burning away the sign of our existence that we imprinted upon it.
  • What do you think happens after death?
     Reply #17 - February 16, 2014, 02:32 AM

    Good points, beautifully put.

    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • What do you think happens after death?
     Reply #18 - February 16, 2014, 03:40 AM

    Before I was born, I didn't exist for an eternity. Never bothered me once.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • What do you think happens after death?
     Reply #19 - February 16, 2014, 04:45 AM

    You're not the first to think along those lines:

    “Why should I fear death? If I am, death is not. If death is, I am not. Why should I fear that which can only exist when I do not?”

    ― Epicurus
  • What do you think happens after death?
     Reply #20 - February 16, 2014, 05:39 AM

    You're not the first to think along those lines:

    “Why should I fear death? If I am, death is not. If death is, I am not. Why should I fear that which can only exist when I do not?”

    ― Epicurus


    Pretty much.

    Although to be fair, I think for most people its not the being dead thats a source of anxiety so much as the dying. Going through the latter can be a bit of a drag.

    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • What do you think happens after death?
     Reply #21 - February 16, 2014, 05:42 AM

    Although I am an atheist, sometimes I do think that there maybe an afterlife and God. Hence, sometimes I am scared of death because of this. Then I realise that current scientific discoveries deny such things.  But again if God is someone omnipotent then why doesn't He show Himself or give us concrete proofs of His existence? This will go away soon I am sure because I am just an amateur atheist. There are still some bits of Islam ingrained in me. But I wouldn't mind to live in paradise after my death for eternity, where all my wishes will be fulfilled. But the joy of getting all desirable things there doesn't compare to the joy of getting one of your wishes fulfilled here. That's because here negative things like grief exist to remind us of its value. Life is a rose with thorns. But currently I am just focusing to be happy with whatever I have.
  • What do you think happens after death?
     Reply #22 - February 16, 2014, 12:40 PM

    Pretty much.

    Although to be fair, I think for most people its not the being dead thats a source of anxiety so much as the dying. Going through the latter can be a bit of a drag.

    Aren't there ways to commit suicide with zero pain/suffering? Maybe in pill form?

    I mean, lets say you know you're about to die a really painful death. Pop the pill and viola, no pain/suffering.

    So if somebody fears *dying*, well why the fuck do they fear that?
  • What do you think happens after death?
     Reply #23 - February 16, 2014, 01:04 PM

    I agree with Quod to be honest. I wrote this to a really nice person who obviously had great fear of death:

    "You should have absolutely no fear over what happens when you die, the worst thing that can happen is that you're at peace. You don't know when you're in a deep sleep and not dreaming do you? And that's not horrible at all, you're not in any pain or anything .

    However if you have children, your genes will live on till the end of mankind (not a good reason to have children of course but a nice bonus to having them ha).

    If you don't have children, you will live on through the fond memories of others. The best thing about not believing in a supernatural god is that you can do things to help people and animals because you generally care about them and want them to be happy, not because you want to please god or you're scared of it. For me it's the best feeling in the world.

    It's extremely empowering to know that you only get one chance of life so you better make the most of it and make it a good one. You can achieve whatever your heart wishes. Why don't you try and leave a legacy behind so when your on your death bed you can look back with a smile about the great things you achieved knowing that your life really did make a difference to the world for the better.

    For me that means trying to prevent animal species like tigers, rhinos, leopards etc from becoming extinct, as well as helping people who are less fortunate than myself. For you it might be something completely different but just as fulfilling. Embrace life and be happy".

    There's no point worrying over something you have no control over. Just be thankful you were given life because there are an infinite amount of potential people who will never be born. Enjoy the crazy ride of life while you can Smiley.
  • What do you think happens after death?
     Reply #24 - February 16, 2014, 01:34 PM

    Quote from: Craig H
    However if you have children, your genes will live on till the end of mankind (not a good reason to have children of course but a nice bonus to having them ha).

    Why is that a good thing (to have your genes live on forever)? I mean, what do I benefit from having my genes live on after I die?
  • What do you think happens after death?
     Reply #25 - February 16, 2014, 01:57 PM

    Your genes are apart of you and I think it's quite romantic to think in a million years time (if humanity lasts that long) that they'll still be people walking around that have some of your genetic make up.

    I think it's quite heart warming to know that many people (perhaps 1000's) wouldn't have existed if it wasn't for you. Maybe that's a little egotistical but I think it's a nice thought to still be apart of the Univese even though its not a conscience one.
  • What do you think happens after death?
     Reply #26 - February 16, 2014, 02:11 PM

    Quote from: Craig H
    I think it's quite heart warming to know that many people (perhaps 1000's) wouldn't have existed if it wasn't for you. Maybe that's a little egotistical but I think it's a nice thought to still be apart of the Univese even though its not a conscience one.

    That doesn't make sense.

    All of the genes you have, already exist in other people, except for maybe a few mutations that happened in the sperm and egg that resulted in your conception.

    Further, what makes humans interesting isn't their genes, but rather their ideas. Remember that humans share 98% of our genes with previous species. And what we don't share with any other animals is the fact that humans have universal intelligence. Universal intelligence means that we (and I mean EVERY human) can create ANY knowledge. And what are we creating? Ideas.

    So what makes our species unique (from other species) is the genes that gives us universal intelligence.

    And what makes an individual human unique (from other humans) is the ideas that he has (and the ideas that he originates).

    So if you really care about future people being affected by YOU, it's not your genes that will do that, and rather it's your IDEAS that can do it. For example, people today still read from stuff Socrates said 2,700 years ago. Do you think anyone today gives a flying fuck what genes Socrates had?
  • What do you think happens after death?
     Reply #27 - February 16, 2014, 02:39 PM

    I'm really confused Rami, what did you think I meant when I said:

    "Why don't you try and leave a legacy behind so when you're on your death bed, you can look back with a smile about the great things you achieved knowing that your life really did make a difference to the world for the better."

    Haven't you just described that almost exactly the same by saying "So if you really care about future people being affected by YOU, it's not your genes that will do that, and rather it's your IDEAS that can do it."

    I also stand by my point that if I have children, numerous people will get to experience life that they wouldn't have previously have had.

    You're also forgetting about a 'meme', behaviour and a belief system that can be passed on through generations. Of course it's unlikely to last a long time but if I instil in my children certain morals, for instance my love for animals and their welfare and they become to have the same morals as me, they could then instil it in their children and friends and so on. After a period of time you've got a part of a population who share my belief system because of how I raised my children. That would then give my life meaning and a purpose and that's how I like to live.



  • What do you think happens after death?
     Reply #28 - February 16, 2014, 03:09 PM

    i think that atheists get rewarded with eternal beer, and theists get punished by having to listen to zakir naik lectures forever.
    You may think that sounds stupid, but it is not more stupid than any other religious hypothesis.
  • What do you think happens after death?
     Reply #29 - February 16, 2014, 03:14 PM

    I second that and you're a Doctor so you must know Smiley, mmm beer Smiley.
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