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  • Home school apostates
     OP - December 06, 2013, 10:51 AM

    The attached article is about xian fundamentalists probably with mental health issues, but there are similar Islamic homeschooling groups here.

    http://prospect.org/article/homeschool-apostates

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    They were raised to carry the fundamentalist banner forward and redeem America. But now the Joshua Generation is rebelling.


    Kathryn Joyce is the author of The Child Catchers: Rescue, Trafficking and the New Gospel of Adoption and Quiverfull: Inside the Christian Patriarchy Movement.

    At 10 P.M. on a Sunday night in May, Lauren and John,* a young couple in the Washington, D.C., area, started an emergency 14-hour drive to the state where Lauren grew up in a strict fundamentalist household. Earlier that day, Lauren’s younger sister, Jennifer, who had recently graduated from homeschooling high school, had called her in tears: “I need you to get me out of this place.” The day, Jennifer said, had started with another fight with her parents, after she declined to sing hymns in church. Her slight speech impediment made her self-conscious about singing in public, but to her parents, her refusal to sing or recite scripture was more evidence that she wasn’t saved. It didn’t help that she was a vegan animal-rights enthusiast.


    After the family returned home from church, Jennifer’s parents discovered that she had recently been posting about animal rights on Facebook, which they had forbidden. They took away Jennifer’s graduation presents and computer, she told Lauren. More disturbing, they said that if she didn’t eat meat for dinner she’d wake up to find one of the pets she babied gone.

    To most people, it would have sounded like overreaction to innocuous forms of teenage rebellion. But Lauren, who’d cut ties with her family the previous year, knew it was more. The sisters grew up, with two brothers, in a family that was almost completely isolated, they say, held captive by their mother’s extreme anxiety and explosive anger. “I was basically raised by someone with a mental disorder and told you have to obey her or God’s going to send you to hell,” Lauren says. “Her anxiety disorder meant that she had to control every little thing, and homeschooling and her religious beliefs gave her the justification for it.”

    It hadn’t started that way. Her parents began homeschooling Lauren when she struggled to learn to read in the first grade. They were Christians, but not devout. Soon, though, the choice to homeschool morphed into rigid fundamentalism. The sisters were forbidden to wear clothes that might “shame” their father or brothers. Disobedience wasn’t just bad behavior but a sin against God. Both parents spanked the children with a belt. Her mother, Jennifer says, hit her for small things, like dawdling while trying on clothes.


    The family’s isolation made it worse. The children couldn’t date—that was a given—but they also weren’t allowed to develop friendships. Between ages 10 and 12, Lauren says she only got to see friends once a week at Sunday school, increasing to twice a week in her teens when her parents let her participate in mock trial, a popular activity for Christian homeschoolers. Their parents wanted them naïve and sheltered, Lauren says: “18 going on 12.”

    Mixed with the control was a lack of academic supervision. Lauren says she didn’t have a teacher after she was 11; her parents handed her textbooks at the start of a semester and checked her work a few months later. She graded herself, she says, and rarely wrote papers. Nevertheless, Lauren was offered a full-ride scholarship to Patrick Henry College in Virginia, which was founded in 2000 as a destination for fundamentalist homeschoolers. At first her parents refused to let her matriculate, insisting that she spend another year with the family. During that year, Lauren got her first job, but her parents limited the number of hours she could work.


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    The closest parallel to transitioning from strict fundamentalist families to mainstream society may be an immigrant experience: acclimating to a new country with inexplicable customs and an unfamiliar language. “Mainstream American culture is not my culture,”


    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Home school apostates
     Reply #1 - December 06, 2013, 11:01 AM

    *speechless*

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Home school apostates
     Reply #2 - December 08, 2013, 11:27 AM

    That really got to me, not just because of the torment for the child but because it resonates so much with me as I was brought up for a few years by a mentally ill mother and some of what they describe above is so familiar. There was no religious element to my story ,unless you count bouts of  masochistic catholic guilt on her part, but the severe beatings for ridiculous things,the  instantaneous explosive anger and the attempts at  controlling the smallest aspect of time outside of the home are all things I recognise very well.  I managed to get out of the situation by leaving home very early in life. To this day , if I see a parent shouting at or even lightly smacking their kid in the street I have to really focus and keep down the feeling of wanting to shout at them and tell them to stop it.
    On a bright note  it taught me to be a good parent with my own kid.

    According to the polls only 1.6 % of Americans are athiests. So what gives you the right to call the other 80% morons?'
  • Home school apostates
     Reply #3 - December 08, 2013, 12:50 PM

    Reading about Quiverfull female apostates I found to be really helpful. Their religion specifically espouses an abusive (whether physical or mental) totalitarian family system, and I could relate to them better than I could relate to most Muslim apostate stories, because it seemed as though all Quiverfull stories were also about leaving abuse and recovering from it.
    I was reading about them before I left my husband, in fact, to help me separate abuse from religious doctrine.
    They are not the only Christian sect like that here.

    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • Home school apostates
     Reply #4 - December 08, 2013, 02:15 PM

    Anything like this from an Islamic perspective?

    Quote
    Haunted by The Handmaid's Tale
    It has been banned in schools, made into a film and an opera, and the title has become a shorthand for repressive regimes against women



    Margaret Atwood

    The Guardian, Friday 20 January 2012 22.55 GMT

    Some books haunt the reader. Others haunt the writer. The Handmaid's Tale has done both.

    The Handmaid's Tale has not been out of print since it was first published, back in 1985. It has sold millions of copies worldwide and has appeared in a bewildering number of translations and editions. It has become a sort of tag for those writing about shifts towards policies aimed at controlling women, and especially women's bodies and reproductive functions: "Like something out of The Handmaid's Tale" and "Here comes The Handmaid's Tale" have become familiar phrases. It has been expelled from high schools, and has inspired odd website blogs discussing its descriptions of the repression of women as if they were recipes. People – not only women – have sent me photographs of their bodies with phrases from The Handmaid's Tale tattooed on them, "Nolite te bastardes carborundorum" and "Are there any questions?" being the most frequent.


    http://www.theguardian.com/books/2012/jan/20/handmaids-tale-margaret-atwood

    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Home school apostates
     Reply #5 - December 08, 2013, 02:39 PM

    It is a rich book, and the themes of secret police and the upper crust having access to the cream of everything is universal in my opinion. As regards the slavery of women, such is historically everywhere.
    I cannot look at it from a purely Islamic perspective. Too much is common to the human condition, regardless.

    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • Home school apostates
     Reply #6 - December 08, 2013, 02:49 PM

    A book? Not sure. But the homeschooling and abuse at home? Sure. Especially in countries where girls are kept home just for being born with a vagina.

    "Work without hope draws nectar in a sieve, and hope without an object cannot live." -Coleridge

    http://sinofgreed.wordpress.com/
  • Home school apostates
     Reply #7 - December 08, 2013, 03:00 PM

    Vaginas are scary. Or tempting, I can never remember. Either way, evil.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Home school apostates
     Reply #8 - December 08, 2013, 03:06 PM

    They whisper blasphemy to their owners day and night. That's why women are so crazy and must be tamed.

    "Work without hope draws nectar in a sieve, and hope without an object cannot live." -Coleridge

    http://sinofgreed.wordpress.com/
  • Home school apostates
     Reply #9 - December 08, 2013, 03:14 PM

    I heard they have fangs and will bite you if frightened. That's why it's wrong for women to assert sexual independence.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Home school apostates
     Reply #10 - December 08, 2013, 03:18 PM

    I think the Japanese made a movie about that.

    "Work without hope draws nectar in a sieve, and hope without an object cannot live." -Coleridge

    http://sinofgreed.wordpress.com/
  • Home school apostates
     Reply #11 - December 08, 2013, 03:21 PM

    I saw the American one. Think it's called "Teeth".

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Home school apostates
     Reply #12 - December 08, 2013, 03:27 PM

     Cheesy

    Guess I missed that. In Japan, vaginas shoot lasers.

    "Work without hope draws nectar in a sieve, and hope without an object cannot live." -Coleridge

    http://sinofgreed.wordpress.com/
  • Home school apostates
     Reply #13 - December 08, 2013, 03:44 PM

    Hmm.. something serious is going on here...

     

    That is from  Naomi Wolf

    go  read it...

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Home school apostates
     Reply #14 - December 08, 2013, 03:47 PM

    No, thanks. I think I know enough about Vaginas by now.

    "Work without hope draws nectar in a sieve, and hope without an object cannot live." -Coleridge

    http://sinofgreed.wordpress.com/
  • Home school apostates
     Reply #15 - December 08, 2013, 03:56 PM

    No, thanks. I think I know enough about Vaginas by now.

    all right movingfeet., you are good guy then  watch her talk..

     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H20CoqyoqtI

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Home school apostates
     Reply #16 - December 08, 2013, 04:01 PM

    all right movingfeet., you are good guy then  watch her talk..

     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H20CoqyoqtI


    Reminds me of the old days. I'll roll with it. She's hot, by the way. Thanks for the eye candy, man.

    "Work without hope draws nectar in a sieve, and hope without an object cannot live." -Coleridge

    http://sinofgreed.wordpress.com/
  • Home school apostates
     Reply #17 - December 08, 2013, 04:04 PM

    Reminds me of the old days. I'll roll with it. She's hot, by the way. Thanks for the eye candy, man.

     Huh!  the old days?? you are young she is oooldd She is over 50..

    common watch her talk..

     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxxV-uV6jG8

    some time people need shock thearpy and need to be DESENSITIZED

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Home school apostates
     Reply #18 - December 08, 2013, 04:06 PM

    How can you ascertain my age if you don't even know my sex?  Cheesy

    "Work without hope draws nectar in a sieve, and hope without an object cannot live." -Coleridge

    http://sinofgreed.wordpress.com/
  • Home school apostates
     Reply #19 - December 08, 2013, 04:09 PM

    all right movingfeet., you are good guy then  watch her talk..

     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H20CoqyoqtI


    Interesting take on things, Yeezevee.


    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • Home school apostates
     Reply #20 - December 08, 2013, 04:12 PM

    How can you ascertain my age if you don't even know my sex?  Cheesy

    Shot in the dark...cowgirl, missionary and doggy. I can see them being tried and tested.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Home school apostates
     Reply #21 - December 08, 2013, 04:20 PM

    Don't forget reverse cowgirl and 69.

    "Work without hope draws nectar in a sieve, and hope without an object cannot live." -Coleridge

    http://sinofgreed.wordpress.com/
  • Home school apostates
     Reply #22 - December 08, 2013, 04:28 PM

    How can you ascertain my age if you don't even know my sex?  Cheesy

    you got a point there movingfeet... Well I didn't ascertain. Reading your posts casually, I was assuming that you are young and a guy/ but I could be wrong., correct me if I am wrong movingfeet.,

    Any ways people like  Naomi Wolf  are needed and often  globe needs WATCH DOGS(I mean wolfs) and SHOCK THERAPY

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Home school apostates
     Reply #23 - December 08, 2013, 04:34 PM

    You are wrong. Young depends on what age you deem to be young, perhaps. But not male. That's ok though. Most people tend to think I am male online.

    I don't tend to like modern feminism. A lot of it is not equal rights.

    "Work without hope draws nectar in a sieve, and hope without an object cannot live." -Coleridge

    http://sinofgreed.wordpress.com/
  • Home school apostates
     Reply #24 - December 08, 2013, 04:43 PM

    You are wrong. Young depends on what age you deem to be young, perhaps. But not male. That's ok though. Most people tend to think ] I am male online .

    Oh I agree there 100%  and  gender makes no difference for me, except I try to give bit more respect to women folks,their views, their posts  and throw less insult  in responses  ..lol..
    Quote
    I don't tend to like modern feminism. A lot of it is not equal rights.

    And I don't even know what is Modern feminism.. But I support for equal freedom , equal rights and freedom of expression to all whether it comes from Modern feminist, Modern Muslim and non-Muslim folks.. 

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Home school apostates
     Reply #25 - December 08, 2013, 04:48 PM

    Oh I agree there 100%  and  gender makes no difference for me, except I try to give bit more respect to women folks,their views, their posts  and throw less insult  in responses  ..lol..

     Sexist! finmad

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Home school apostates
     Reply #26 - December 08, 2013, 04:52 PM

    Sexist! finmad

     that is a fact QSE..

    yeezevee-1

    yeezevee-2

    A hardened soul...

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Home school apostates
     Reply #27 - December 08, 2013, 04:55 PM

    Quote
    BARBARIC BLASPHEMY LAWS OF PAKISTAN IS AN INSULT TO HUMAN CIVILIZATION

     Can't argue with that.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Home school apostates
     Reply #28 - December 08, 2013, 04:58 PM

    A lot of modern feminists are very aggressive toward men and think that they should be superior as opposed to equal.

    Don't hold back, by the way.  Afro

    "qual rights and freedom of expression to all whether it comes from Modern feminist, Modern Muslim and non-Muslim folks.. "

    Agreed.

    "Work without hope draws nectar in a sieve, and hope without an object cannot live." -Coleridge

    http://sinofgreed.wordpress.com/
  • Home school apostates
     Reply #29 - December 08, 2013, 06:33 PM

    I always called those girls feminazis.
    I grew up during the riot gyrl revolution. It was about separating oneself from patriarchal culture, self-definition and a refusal to accept stereotypes towards girls. Books were being rewritten with womyn instead of women, so that the female human could be completely separated from the male, as if a different species.
    It was an interesting take on the reclamation of girlhood. It created a nice backlash against popular culture and marketing. I don't think it got very far, though. I hope it was at least a baby step.

    Don't let Hitler have the street.
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