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  • New Member
     OP - December 12, 2013, 08:57 PM
    Hey guys,

    Im ThatMuslimGuy. Im 18 from the UK currently studying Economics at University.  dance

    I look forward to reading what people post on this forum.  Smiley
  • New Member
     Reply #1 - December 12, 2013, 08:58 PM
    Welcome to the forum! Hope you will learn something here  parrot
  • New Member
     Reply #2 - December 12, 2013, 08:59 PM
    Welcome. What brings you to an ex-muslim forum?
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • New Member
     Reply #3 - December 12, 2013, 09:03 PM
    Just to see whats going down.

    Read posts. Challenge my faith. Usuall shits n giggles.
  • New Member
     Reply #4 - December 12, 2013, 09:05 PM
    Okay, my curiosity is piped. Why challenge your faith? Islamic hell is not a place you'd want to risk, I'd imagine. Not that I'm saying your faith is weak, just the fact you want it challenged. Seriously, islamic hell is fucking terrifying.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • New Member
     Reply #5 - December 12, 2013, 09:07 PM
    Haha i assumed it would be.

    Im a revert to Islam from Atheism. So I always challenge my faith and my decision to convert to it.
  • New Member
     Reply #6 - December 12, 2013, 09:08 PM
    Interesting.
  • New Member
     Reply #7 - December 12, 2013, 09:11 PM
    Welcome aboard parrot
    Life is what happens to you while you're staring at your smartphone.

    Eternal Sunshine of the Religionless Mind
  • New Member
     Reply #8 - December 12, 2013, 09:12 PM
    Have to admit to being a bit pleased you used to be an atheist. Most of the muslims that join never had any other background and think people who don't believe in god have horns and fangs (bit of an exaggeration but you get what I mean). At least we can skip having to explain that just because we don't think there's a hell that doesn't mean we don't want to be good people or that we don't have moral codes.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • New Member
     Reply #9 - December 12, 2013, 09:14 PM
    Haha. I was a very hardcore Atheist for 4 years so trust me you wont be getting any of the idiotic theist cliches.
  • New Member
     Reply #10 - December 12, 2013, 09:15 PM
    So what kind of muslim are you? Sunni, shia, salafi? Literalist or not? Quran only or do you also believe/follow hadith?
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • New Member
     Reply #11 - December 12, 2013, 09:27 PM
    Quote
    So what kind of muslim are you? Sunni, shia, salafi? Literalist or not? Quran only or do you also believe/follow hadith?


    Im just a Muslim. I follow the Quran (as I believe it to be the word of Allah) and the Sunnah of the Muhammad SAW (as ordered in the Quran and Sunnah).

    I perform Tafsir of the Quran in the classical Usool At-Tafseer method. Firstly from the Quran, then the Sunnah,  the Sahabah and the language.

    Im currently studying Usool Al-Hadeeth (the science of hadeeth) and trying to increase the literature I own on the topic. So yes I follow the Sunnah which is contained in the Authentic hadeeth.
  • New Member
     Reply #12 - December 12, 2013, 09:29 PM
    Greetings, ThatMuslimGuy.
  • New Member
     Reply #13 - December 12, 2013, 09:30 PM
    Are you a literalist?
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • New Member
     Reply #14 - December 12, 2013, 09:30 PM
    Quote from: ThatMuslimGuy on December 12, 2013, 09:07 PM
    Haha i assumed it would be.

    Im a revert to Islam from Atheism. So I always challenge my faith and my decision to convert to it.


    I have immense respect for this statement.
  • New Member
     Reply #15 - December 12, 2013, 09:31 PM
    Quote from: Quod Sum Eris on December 12, 2013, 09:30 PM
    Are you a literalist?


    What do you mean by literalist?
  • New Member
     Reply #16 - December 12, 2013, 09:32 PM
    Quote from: kutta on December 12, 2013, 09:30 PM
    I have immense respect for this statement.


    Why?  Smiley Its something everyone should do. Analyse and critique what they follow and the reasons they do. Its something I evaluate everyday.
  • New Member
     Reply #17 - December 12, 2013, 09:38 PM
    By literalist I mean do you believe what's written is literally true.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • New Member
     Reply #18 - December 12, 2013, 09:43 PM
    Quote from: ThatMuslimGuy on December 12, 2013, 09:32 PM
    Why?  Smiley Its something everyone should do. Analyse and critique what they follow and the reasons they do. Its something I evaluate everyday.


    Because in my experience, and from what I have learned, it is not the "Islamically right" thing to question your faith. Questioning something introduces the possibility that you may be wrong, and I don't think you are allowed to even consider the possibility that you are wrong as a Muslim.
  • New Member
     Reply #19 - December 12, 2013, 09:45 PM
    Well the quran also encourages you to think, and Mo would invite christians to his mosque to debate with him. Course, it's about how islam is true, but still...
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • New Member
     Reply #20 - December 12, 2013, 09:46 PM
    Quote
    By literalist I mean do you believe what's written is literally true.


    Well I believe the Quran is literally the word of God if thats what you mean.

    But that doesnt mean the Quran doesnt gives metaphors and parables etc which I believe your alluding to?
  • New Member
     Reply #21 - December 12, 2013, 09:48 PM
    Splitting the moon, global flood, giant ark, talking newborn, stars are missiles to drive away jinns, sun prostrates under the throne of allah, giant wall that magically repairs itself every morning, etc.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Re: New Member
     Reply #22 - December 12, 2013, 09:55 PM
    Quote from: kutta on December 12, 2013, 09:43 PM
    Because in my experience, and from what I have learned, it is not the "Islamically right" thing to question your faith. Questioning something introduces the possibility that you may be wrong, and I don't think you are allowed to even consider the possibility that you are wrong as a Muslim.


    No it is very Islamic to contemplate and think and reflect. There is no concept of blindly follow. As I often say on the Dawah Table if your blindly following something then dont follow it.

    The Quran often speaks about engaging us to implement our rational faculty's to investigate, reflect and contemplate on various things and fields.

    For example the triliteral root ʿayn qāf lām (ع ق ل) occurs 49 times in the Quran as the form I verb ʿaqalu (عَقَلُ) which means to understand, to reason.

    And The triliteral root fā kāf rā (ف ك ر) occurs 18 times in the Quran in two derived forms:
    once as the form II verb fakkara (فَكَّرَ) - Which means to think.
    17 times as the form V verb yatafakkaru (يَتَفَكَّرُ) - Which means to ponder, to reflect.

    But alas thats a different topic.
  • New Member
     Reply #23 - December 12, 2013, 09:59 PM
    Well, I actually pointed that out above, but I think the point is that you're supposed to contemplate on the creation of allah and allah himself, rather than wonder if there is an allah.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • New Member
     Reply #24 - December 12, 2013, 09:59 PM
    Of course the Qur'aan teaches you to think and reflect, a concept which I do not disagree with. But are you allowed to ponder, think, and reflect if it increases your chances of doubting the faith? Reflecting upon knowledge that can only establish your belief is vastly different from voluntarily challenging your faith.
  • New Member
     Reply #25 - December 12, 2013, 10:01 PM
    Quote from: Quod Sum Eris on December 12, 2013, 09:48 PM
    Splitting the moon, global flood, giant ark, talking newborn, stars are missiles to drive away jinns, sun prostrates under the throne of allah, giant wall that magically repairs itself every morning, etc.


    Splitting moon is mentioned in Surah al Qamr. And is further confirmed in the Saheeh narrations that the people asked the Prophet to perform a miracle so they saw the moon split.

    Global flood. The Quran doesnt speak of such concept maybe your confusing it with the bible.

    Talking newborn I suppose is referring to Jesus (AS). Its called a miracle bro, think you should first question a virgin birth  Wink

    Stars driving away jinns mentioned in various ayat such as Surah 67:5 (quoting from memory).

    Sun prostrates under the throne of God is found in a Saheeh Hadeeth in Bukhari and others not the Quran.

    However the Quran states all stars prostrate to God:

    Sahih International
    And the stars and trees prostrate. [Quran 55:6]

    And everything else:

    Sahih International
    Do you not see that to Allah prostrates whoever is in the heavens and whoever is on the earth and the sun, the moon, the stars, the mountains, the trees, the moving creatures and many of the people? But upon many the punishment has been justified. And he whom Allah humiliates - for him there is no bestower of honor. Indeed, Allah does what He wills. [Quran 22:18]

    Saying everything is under the control of Allah.

    Giant wall that magically repairs itself every morning? I assume is referring to Dhul Qarnayn?
  • New Member
     Reply #26 - December 12, 2013, 10:05 PM
    Quote from: kutta on December 12, 2013, 09:59 PM
    Of course the Qur'aan teaches you to think and reflect, a concept which I do not disagree with. But are you allowed to ponder, think, and reflect if it increases your chances of doubting the faith? Reflecting upon knowledge that can only establish your belief is vastly different from voluntarily challenging your faith.


    The Quran often gives challenges to challenge it such as the infamous:

    Sahih International
    And if you are in doubt about what We have sent down upon Our Servant [Muhammad], then produce a surah the like thereof and call upon your witnesses other than Allah , if you should be truthful. [Quran 2:23]

    There is no concept of not being questioning if a deity exists or if the Quran is from Allah. I mean thats what you do when you give Dawah. You challenge people to question if a god exists. You challenge them on the Quran being from Allah.

    You can only present these arguments after rationally investigating the two topics. Which include questioning if a deity exists or if the Quran is from Allah.

    And this is needed to preach with wisdom. As Allah says:

    Sahih International
    Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in a way that is best. Indeed, your Lord is most knowing of who has strayed from His way, and He is most knowing of who is [rightly] guided. [Quran 16:125]
  • New Member
     Reply #27 - December 12, 2013, 10:07 PM
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    Global flood. The Quran doesnt speak of such concept maybe your confusing it with the bible.

     It doesn't specifically say global but it does heavily imply it. Also I think the authentic hadiths say it was global, but it's been a while since I read either.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • New Member
     Reply #28 - December 12, 2013, 10:10 PM
    Quote
    It doesn't specifically say global but it does heavily imply it. Also I think the authentic hadiths say it was global, but it's been a while since I read either.


    Firstly I would argue it clearly isnt heavily implied. If you know the simple concept of Prophethood and Messengers in Islam every prophet was sent to his nation to preach. If you read the Quranic narrative it speaks about Noah (AS) being sent to his own nation and land and people as is said about other prophets.

    As for the hadeeth I have read no such hadeeth and trust me I read Answerin-Islam and Wiki Islam alot and that would be something they would definetly put up. However hit me up if you find it.
  • New Member
     Reply #29 - December 12, 2013, 10:12 PM
    To me it was heavily implied. That was how I took it when I read the quran. Like I said, it's been a while since I read it or hadith. I'm quite happy to say I might be mistaken. So you think the flood was regional? Or it's metaphorical?
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
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