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  • The War on Freedom of Speech
     OP - December 14, 2013, 03:09 AM

    So we are right now dealing with the NSA and SOPA and other restrictions to freedom of expression online all over the world. Places like Iran, Syria, China, and so on, have been dealing with this for years as I'm sure you're all aware. Recently, I have started re-watching the PMRC's war on music. These clips can also be applied to the current state of affairs and arguments to some extent.

    Frank Zappa

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgAF8Vu8G0w

    Dee Snider

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0Vyr1TylTE

    This is the full hearing at Congress featuring these musicians:  Frank Zappa, John Denver and Dee Snider of Twisted Sister

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d65BxvSNa2o

    Download transcript here: http://sourceforge.net/projects/disclosurevault/files/Censorship%20and%20Piracy/PMRC%201985%20Complete%20Transcript.pdf/download

    Background information on the PMRC hearing in 1985:

    Quote
    The Parents Music Resource Center (PMRC) was an American committee formed in 1985 with the stated goal of increasing parental control over the access of children to music deemed to be violent, have drug use or be sexual via labeling albums with Parental Advisory stickers. The committee was founded by four women: Tipper Gore, wife of Senator and later Vice President Al Gore; Susan Baker, wife of Treasury Secretary James Baker; Pam Howar, wife of Washington realtor Raymond Howar; and Sally Nevius, wife of former Washington City Council Chairman John Nevius. They were known as the "Washington wives" – a reference to their husbands' connections with government in the Washington, D.C. area. The Center eventually grew to include 22 participants.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PMRC

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  • The War on Freedom of Speech
     Reply #1 - December 26, 2013, 04:35 PM

    related https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/12/next-great-copyright-act

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  • The War on Freedom of Speech
     Reply #2 - December 26, 2013, 06:25 PM

    People just need to be taught the basics of a free society. You do not have the right to not be offended.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • The War on Freedom of Speech
     Reply #3 - December 26, 2013, 10:49 PM

    Yes, but the trend is always the same lately. It's like the want Blasphemy laws or something.

    "Work without hope draws nectar in a sieve, and hope without an object cannot live." -Coleridge

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  • The War on Freedom of Speech
     Reply #4 - December 27, 2013, 04:02 AM

    They do.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • The War on Freedom of Speech
     Reply #5 - December 30, 2013, 01:18 AM

    http://torrentfreak.com/it-was-never-about-the-money-stupid-the-similarities-between-copyright-monopoly-madness-boston-tea-taxes-131229/

    Quote
    “You are just spoiled brats who don’t want to pay”, said the copyright industry as people shared culture and knowledge online. “You are just spoiled brats who don’t want to pay”, said the English after the Boston Tea Party. The underlying mechanisms are basically the same.

    With every new breakthrough, old scarcities are turned into abundances, and new scarcities appear around the new abundances. When households were electrified, household food cooling became abundant, the icemaking industry went out of business overnight, and electricians came on stage. When electric lamp posts arrived, the lamplighter profession went obsolete, and again, more electricians were needed. When e-mail arrived, the postal service and mailmen went largely obsolete, but sysadmins were needed instead.

    When computers allowed us to manufacture our own copies of culture and knowledge from what we observed firsthand online, the copyright industry – which held a monopoly on such duplication, keeping culture and knowledge scarce – went obsolete, and in the face of the new abundance of culture and knowledge everywhere, new scarcities appeared. For example, when you have more or less all the world’s music on your hard drive, it becomes tiresome and laborious to sort it into listening to what you want.

    When the music service Pandora was launched, it did exactly this: it solved the new scarcity, the ability to sort out the abundance. I am paying subscriber number 110 out of today’s 20 million or so (and I’ve also been paying for ways to circumvent the silly attempt to lock the service to the United States). This is easy to verify.

    This is notable because pirates aren’t unwilling to pay for culture and knowledge services. However, pirates (and by “pirates” I mean the younger 150 million Americans, 250 million Europeans, and roughly the younger half of the rest of the world’s population) are unwilling to pay for obsolete services, such as duplication. Pirates are early adopters.

    Let’s take that again, because it is key to stopping parroting this ignorance of “don’t want to pay” about the situation with people happily sharing culture and knowledge online:

    Pirates are early adopters. If you put something new and shiny in their hands, they will throw money at you. Conversely, they will be among the first to identify a stale market and abandon it. Further, they will not – ever – accept laws that lock them in to a service they haven’t asked for, especially not when they can do the same thing themselves at practically no effort, such as manufacturing copies of movies, music, games, or software from their own raw material and labor.

    Obviously, this means you can’t morally oblige pirates to pay for manufacturing their own copies using their own labor and materials, even if the law says you have the right to tax and fine them for doing so. That comes across as extremely heavy-handed and repressive.

    This has happened many times before, and these situations tend to resolve in about the same way. One of the more famous occasions resulted in a huge tea party on the docks of Boston. This is despite the fact that those people didn’t seem to have a problem as such paying the tea taxes; it simply wasn’t about the money, as it never is.

    You can dismiss pirates as just being greedy and surely able to pay if they wanted, just as you could dismiss the colonist tea drinkers as greedy bastards who surely could afford to pay the tax on their English tea. And in doing so, you’d be missing the point entirely, choosing to grotesquely mischaracterize a situation in order to stay comfortable but ignorant.

    “But the Boston Tea Party was about taxation without representation!”, some would say. “The copyright monopoly issue is different!”

    Is it, really?

    Really?

    Let’s review the facts at hand. The copyright monopoly laws were constructed to benefit the public, and the public only. In the U.S. Constitution, we can read clearly that the purpose of the copyright monopoly is “to promote the progress of science and the useful arts”. Nothing more, nothing less.

    It is important to note this, as the purpose of the monopoly (“exclusive right”) is not and was never to allow somebody to make money on a particular activity. In particular, its purpose was never to allow somebody to keep making money the same way they always had, even when technology had changed the landscape and their offering didn’t add any value anymore.

    The copyright monopoly is a balance, but it is a balance between two competing interests of the public: the public’s interest in promoting new science and arts, and the same public’s interest in having access to that science and arts. The copyright industry is not a legitimate interest in this legislation.

    This is where the problem begins. For when we look at how the copyright monopoly legislation has been written and re-written in the past decades, it has been entirely tailored to the wishes of the obsolete middleman industry, increasingly upping the penalties for circumventing their monopoly deadlock. The interest of the public – the only legitimate stakeholder – is not, and has not been, considered at all. Simply put, the public isn’t represented.

    So if a law that forces people to pay something unnecessarily and involuntarily isn’t taxation, then what is it?

    And if their interests aren’t being represented in that legislation… well…?

    This argument may come across as esoteric and outlandish to those who defend the copyright monopoly, but I guarantee those people two things: First, that the “you only want things for free!” parroting comes across as just as outlandish and reality-defiant to those envelope-pushing entrepreneurs who understand technology and society, and second, that the “taxation without representation” call after the Boston Tea Party would come across as exactly as outlandish to those who were the self-declared nobility of that time.

    I don’t want to hear the “you just don’t want to pay” ever again. We are manufacturing our own copies from what we observe firsthand with our own labor and materials, and we have every moral, philosophical, ethical, economical, and natural right to do so. We reject an obsolete industry’s legal right to enact private taxation on us for our own work. If you want to be part of the future, at least try to understand the bigger picture.

    Here’s to hoping the debate in 2014 will be just slightly better than in all the previous years since I got involved in this debate, which was in about 1987. It’s up to all of us to force the debate to go there.


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  • The War on Freedom of Speech
     Reply #6 - December 30, 2013, 01:23 AM

    https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/12/2013-review-governments-arab-world-crack-down-activists-fight-back

    Quote
    As the year draws to a close, EFF is looking back at the major trends influencing digital rights in 2013 and discussing where we are in the fight for free expression, innovation, fair use, and privacy. Click here to read other blog posts in this series.

    The uprisings of 2011 gave hope to many for a new era of Internet governance. While Tunisia made concrete steps toward a freer Internet, many governments throughout the region have grappled with finding a balance between instituting the harsh restrictions that helped create Tunisia's uprising and implementing enough control to prevent their own. In 2013, many governments tended toward the former, implementing censorship for the first time or arresting bloggers, creating a deterrent for those who might dare speak their minds. Here are a few of the threats we've tracked this year and the ways in which activists have fought back.

    Censorship on the rise

    By far, the biggest surprise this year occurred in Jordan, where a Press and Publications Law created in 2012 resulted in the censorship of more than 300 websites this June. Local news websites that failed or refused to obtain a license under the new law were subsequently blocked, along with a handful of foreign websites that had not been subject to the law in the first place. We've also seen efforts by the governments of Egypt and Morocco to increase censorship.

    Nevertheless, activism against these measures has been strong, particularly in Jordan where groups like 7iber have fought back, with support from a wide range of international organizations. In Morocco, activists recently had success in fighting the "Code Numérique", a draft bill that threatens to rear its ugly head again. Their challenge will continue into 2014.

    An increase in speech-related arrests

    Perhaps the most disheartening trend is the increase that we've seen in arrests of individuals exercising their right to free speech. The recent case of Shezanne Casim, a United States citizen detained in the UAE for posting a satirical video to YouTube, is only one of many in the tiny Gulf country. In Morocco, Ali Anouzla's case has brought international attention to the country's repression of journalists. In neighboring Kuwait, dozens have faced charges of blasphemy for content posted on social networks. And the list goes on.

    We've ramped up our efforts to track and advocate for such cases and will continue to do so in 2014.

    Surveillance run amok

    The revelations brought to the world by Edward Snowden about the NSA's spying did not go missed in the Arab world. With Jordan and Egypt close to the top of the list of the countries most spied on, activists are rightfully angry and have joined the global effort to stop mass surveillance. Amongst the signatories to the 13 Principles on the Application of Human Rights to Communications Surveillance are more than a dozen organizations from the region, including the Arab Digital Expression Foundation, Nawaat, MADA Palestine, and Lakome.org.

    Some countries in the region have taken the news about the NSA as a cue to conduct their own spying. While Tunisia's hosting of the Freedom Online Coalition conference in June seemed like good news, the government has since created a new agency that seems to have the mandate to bring surveillance back to the country. And localized surveillance remains a threat in most of the region.

    The good news

    Recognizing the scope of these threats, EFF teamed up this year with 7iber.com, Access, Global Voices Advocacy, and SMEX to create Digital Citizen, a monthly review of digital rights in the Arab World. We've ramped up our programs, and in early 2014 are partnering with Global Voices to host the fourth Arabloggers meeting in Amman, where we will conduct security and policy training and meet with our allies and fellow travelers from throughout the region. We are also working to support several new groups in countries where their presence is much-needed.

    Our allies in the Arab world have continued to inspire us in 2013 and will undoubtedly do so long into the future!

    This article is part of our 2013 Year in Review series; read other articles about the fight for digital rights in 2013.


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  • The War on Freedom of Speech
     Reply #7 - December 30, 2013, 01:54 AM

    Anyone else surprised when that Church of Filesharing took off in Sweden? Downloading is now a religion over there.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • The War on Freedom of Speech
     Reply #8 - December 30, 2013, 02:40 AM

    Never heard of that. Oh well, people will make a religion out of just about anything.

    "Work without hope draws nectar in a sieve, and hope without an object cannot live." -Coleridge

    http://sinofgreed.wordpress.com/
  • The War on Freedom of Speech
     Reply #9 - December 30, 2013, 02:44 AM

    Anyone else surprised when that Church of Filesharing took off in Sweden? Downloading is now a religion over there.


    Smart move. They should do that here. That would put a crimp in the war on free file sharing.

    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • The War on Freedom of Speech
     Reply #10 - December 30, 2013, 02:49 AM

    Or they'd just call it a terrorist organization. Tongue

    "Work without hope draws nectar in a sieve, and hope without an object cannot live." -Coleridge

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  • The War on Freedom of Speech
     Reply #11 - December 30, 2013, 02:51 AM

    Oh yes. It is a threat to national security. I forget things like that. Shh.

    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • The War on Freedom of Speech
     Reply #12 - December 30, 2013, 02:57 AM

    It's ok. Slips my mind from time to time too.

    "Work without hope draws nectar in a sieve, and hope without an object cannot live." -Coleridge

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  • The War on Freedom of Speech
     Reply #13 - December 30, 2013, 02:58 AM

    When I first heard of it, my reaction was "I fucking knew it!" It was not unexpected. They believe in the right of information, it's the core tenant of the church, or it was last I check a few years ago. Wonder if they've preformed any more marriages.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • The War on Freedom of Speech
     Reply #14 - December 30, 2013, 02:59 AM

    Smart move. They should do that here. That would put a crimp in the war on free file sharing.


    They have, but they aren't recognised. Tongue

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • The War on Freedom of Speech
     Reply #15 - December 30, 2013, 03:00 AM

    Wonder how one of those marriages would look like. "By the power invested in me by the internet.."

    "Work without hope draws nectar in a sieve, and hope without an object cannot live." -Coleridge

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  • The War on Freedom of Speech
     Reply #16 - December 30, 2013, 03:02 AM

    They have, but they aren't recognised. Tongue


    But if the piercing religion is recognized, surely there are enough adherents for this? Suspicious.

    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • The War on Freedom of Speech
     Reply #17 - December 30, 2013, 03:03 AM

    Wonder how one of those marriages would look like. "By the power invested in me by the internet.."


    I am sort of picturing a ceremony where everyone is wearing virtual reality gear.

    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • The War on Freedom of Speech
     Reply #18 - December 30, 2013, 03:05 AM

    Sexy..

    "Work without hope draws nectar in a sieve, and hope without an object cannot live." -Coleridge

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  • The War on Freedom of Speech
     Reply #19 - December 30, 2013, 03:18 AM

    Google it?

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • The War on Freedom of Speech
     Reply #20 - December 30, 2013, 03:20 AM

    I think if you Google that you will get Lady Gaga.

    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • The War on Freedom of Speech
     Reply #21 - December 30, 2013, 03:23 AM

    Marry the Night is good. Afro

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Re: The War on Freedom of Speech
     Reply #22 - December 30, 2013, 03:48 AM

    People just need to be taught the basics of a free society. You do not have the right to not be offended.


    This is ontologically impossible within our current framework not least because the ruling classes conceive metanarratives, IE moralism, to justify historically determined phenomena — E: an imperial class. If they didn't, they wouldn't be able to exist as what lies at the heart of social relations as they are constituted is... well. nothing.

    Of course, you could attempt to refute me with an account of epistemology that rests on methodological individualism, but I maintain that such a position is untenable.
  • The War on Freedom of Speech
     Reply #23 - December 30, 2013, 04:05 AM

    As long as there is a ruling class, meaning as long as there is humanity, there will be a war on freedom of expression. Just how it is. SO WE MUST FIGHT FOR THE INTERNET!

    "Work without hope draws nectar in a sieve, and hope without an object cannot live." -Coleridge

    http://sinofgreed.wordpress.com/
  • The War on Freedom of Speech
     Reply #24 - December 30, 2013, 04:09 AM

    Yes, no one likes the rich. But they are here to stay, so keep your boots on.

    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • The War on Freedom of Speech
     Reply #25 - December 30, 2013, 04:22 AM

     Headsman

    "Work without hope draws nectar in a sieve, and hope without an object cannot live." -Coleridge

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  • Re: The War on Freedom of Speech
     Reply #26 - December 30, 2013, 04:41 AM

    As long as there is a ruling class, meaning as long as there is humanity, there will be a war on freedom of expression. Just how it is. SO WE MUST FIGHT FOR THE INTERNET!


    No, actually. Postscarcity would make classes redundant. Obviously, this is a distant dream at present.

    Also, some communists suggest that we have the resources to create abundance due to the exponential development of capitalist productive forces. Interesting one that, I'm not sure if I completely buy it though, esp. when most communists incline towards Leninism/vanguardism and council/left communism/anarchism would require a realisation (in the truly Hegelian sense) of consciousness. That is to say, the working class would have to realise that the manner in which it is constituted in bourgeois–democratic society is not human.

    For the record I remain a complete pessimist and incline towards nihilism than I do Marxism, but that's for another thread.
  • Re: The War on Freedom of Speech
     Reply #27 - December 30, 2013, 04:46 AM

    Yes, no one likes the rich.


    Actually that's a good summation of the infantile socialism that pervades modern societal discourses.
    Tongue.
  • The War on Freedom of Speech
     Reply #28 - December 30, 2013, 04:51 AM

    Quote
    Actually that's a good summation of the infantile socialism that pervades modern societal discourses.


    Well, not really.  Most people that I know don't like the super rich because they're leeches and lazy parasites, no different than any other welfare smooch Tongue
  • The War on Freedom of Speech
     Reply #29 - December 30, 2013, 05:39 AM

    Schizo: The ideas that you describe are ideals that can only exist in Utopian settings. When translated into real life, you get classes. Doesn't matter what we call them now. That's what they are. And, most of all, a ruling class. It will always exist because that's how humanity is. People say that humanity needs to be governed to be civil while others simply desire power.

    On the rich, when they stop treating normal people like shit, I will stop hating them. Period. 

    "Work without hope draws nectar in a sieve, and hope without an object cannot live." -Coleridge

    http://sinofgreed.wordpress.com/
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