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  • Is morality subjective or objective?
     Reply #90 - January 13, 2014, 08:23 AM

    Why would that be the case?


    Because you never hear scientists argue whether clouds are objective or subjective or political philosophers argue whether tony Blair is objective or subjective.

    But ideas, since they are the product of human minds, are essentially subjective.

    Morality is subjective,  it becomes objectivated when enshrined in law and subjectivated when it requires interpretation.

    Moral philosopher exist precisely because morality is subjective and the fact that the very nature of morality as being objective or subjective is still being questioned and doubted to this is evidence of its subjectivity, whereas in other aspects of academia in which objectivity has been established the intellectuals do not debate the foundations but on refining the details.

    I hope sister that answers your question.

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  • Is morality subjective or objective?
     Reply #91 - January 13, 2014, 10:20 AM

    Because you never hear scientists argue whether clouds are objective or subjective or political philosophers argue whether tony Blair is objective or subjective.

    But ideas, since they are the product of human minds, are essentially subjective.
    Morality is subjective,  it becomes objectivated when enshrined in law and subjectivated when it requires interpretation.
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    Moral philosopher exist precisely because morality is subjective and the fact that the very nature of morality as being objective or subjective is still being questioned and doubted to this is evidence of its subjectivity, whereas in other aspects of academia in which objectivity has been established the intellectuals do not debate the foundations but on refining the details.


    I hope sister that answers your question.

    Huh!...  where did you get that from? I hope sister?  sister??  didn't know RamiRustom  is "She".

    This is a good one Jedi..
    "intellectuals do not debate the foundations but on refining the details"  but for some reason  RamiRustom   doesn't seem to  understand what is Objective morality and what is subjective morality., often in this thread I read  he/she saying
    Quote
    I don't even know what you mean by "morality is objective". What do you mean by it?

     although Rami used these words in his/her heading  "morality subjective or objective?"  Now Jedi.,  it is for you to define what is Objective morality and what is subjective morality?

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  • Is morality subjective or objective?
     Reply #92 - January 13, 2014, 12:39 PM

    Um, that's what I was asking you. You answered by saying that by objective you meant true,

    No I didn't. You've misinterpreted me.

    having only one correct answer.

    It does not follow that if someone proffers a moral standard, they are therefore proffering that morality is objective (according to your definition of objective).

    But you misinterpreted me.

    If you want to understand what I mean by morality is objective, then read my essay, quote a part of it, rephrase it into your own words, and then I'll tell you if your interpretation is what I meant by the quote. So far you haven't done this.
  • Is morality subjective or objective?
     Reply #93 - January 13, 2014, 12:44 PM

    Because you never hear scientists argue whether clouds are objective or subjective or political philosophers argue whether tony Blair is objective or subjective.

    But ideas, since they are the product of human minds, are essentially subjective.

    Unexplained assertion. If you don't have an explanation for your assertion, then your assertion is wrong for being unexplained.

    Morality is subjective, 

    And you're drawing that conclusion from your previous premise? Well, since your previously premise is false (for being unexplained), then this conclusion is false too since it was drawn from the false premise.

    it becomes objectivated when enshrined in law and subjectivated when it requires interpretation.

    You seem to think that IF it requires interpretation THEN it's subjective. But you're wrong because science require interpretation and science is objective, which contradicts your theory that (IF it requires interpretation THEN it's subjective).

    Moral philosopher exist precisely because morality is subjective and the fact that the very nature of morality as being objective or subjective is still being questioned and doubted to this is evidence of its subjectivity, whereas in other aspects of academia in which objectivity has been established the intellectuals do not debate the foundations but on refining the details.

    I hope sister that answers your question.

    Your answer is wrong because it's got unexplained assertions as premises, which makes them false, which makes your conclusion false.
  • Is morality subjective or objective?
     Reply #94 - January 13, 2014, 12:50 PM

    RamiRustom   doesn't seem to  understand what is Onjective morality [...], often in this thread I read  he/she saying although Rami used these words in his/her heading  "morality subjective or objective?"  

    You've misunderstood.

    If *you* say that "morality is objective", and if I say back to you that I don't know what *you* mean by the sentence "morality is objective", that does NOT mean that I don't know what *I* mean by "morality is objective". It only means that I don't know what *you* mean by "morality is objective".

    You are confusing words with ideas. It's the ideas that we are arguing over, not the words.

    "Morality is objective" is just 3 words so when somebody says them, it's not clear what idea he means by it.
  • Is morality subjective or objective?
     Reply #95 - January 13, 2014, 12:59 PM

    You've misunderstood.

    If *you* say that "morality is objective", and if I say back to you that I don't know what *you* mean by the sentence "morality is objective", that does NOT mean that I don't know what *I* mean by "morality is objective". It only means that I don't know what *you* mean by "morality is objective".  

     well not only me  it appears many folks do not understand you RamiRustom  and  it is  true you confuse the hell of out me..

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    You are confusing words with ideas. It's the ideas that we are arguing over, not the words.

    "Morality is objective" is just 3 words so when somebody says them, it's not clear what idea he means by it.

    True., "Morality is objective" is just 3 words.  It is also true "Morality is subjective" is also just 3 words.,

    but what do we do with these three words??   They are useless as such unless we give live,  "day to day examples"  right?

    Is that what you want to say Rami??

    if it is ., then let us put some serious live examples of Objective morality , subjective morality and difference between the two examples.

    Would that make any sense to you Rami??

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  • Is morality subjective or objective?
     Reply #96 - January 13, 2014, 01:08 PM

    Unexplained assertion. If you don't have an explanation for your assertion, then your assertion is wrong for being unexplained.
    And you're drawing that conclusion from your previous premise? Well, since your previously premise is false (for being unexplained), then this conclusion is false too since it was drawn from the false premise.
    You seem to think that IF it requires interpretation THEN it's subjective. But you're wrong because science require interpretation and science is objective, which contradicts your theory that (IF it requires interpretation THEN it's subjective).
    Your answer is wrong because it's got unexplained assertions as premises, which makes them false, which makes your conclusion false.


    Your inability to understand a simple sentence does not render the argument void.

    Morality is inherently subjective.

    Any attempt at an objective morality is based upon wishing to universalise your predisposed notions of right/wrong or true/false.

    I feel as though this topic has been exhausted ad nauseum.

    If you need to have the simple fact that ideas are derived from humans explained to you then good luck and try somewhere else. There's a reason I don't teach at a primary school.


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  • Is morality subjective or objective?
     Reply #97 - January 13, 2014, 02:28 PM

    Your inability to understand a simple sentence does not render the argument void.

    Morality is inherently subjective.

    Any attempt at an objective morality is based upon wishing to universalise your predisposed notions of right/wrong or true/false.

    I feel as though this topic has been exhausted ad nauseum.

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    If you need to have the simple fact that ideas are derived from humans explained to you then good luck and try somewhere else. There's a reason I don't teach at a primary school


    that is not necessary Jedi., but we must realize that this debate about  "subjective morality / objective morality" or  "moral relativism / Moral Nihilism"  going on for 1000s of years., This is not new subject.

    Anyways .. this is a good one to read  Objective Morality, Subjective Morality, and the Explanatory Questiony  specially examples in it.

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  • Re: Is morality subjective or objective?
     Reply #98 - January 13, 2014, 05:30 PM

    If you want to understand what I mean by morality is objective, then read my essay, quote a part of it, rephrase it into your own words, and then I'll tell you if your interpretation is what I meant by the quote. So far you haven't done this.

    Yeah, because I just love jumping through hoops, reading essays and meeting all of your arbitrary conditions when I ask for clarification on a simple point.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Is morality subjective or objective?
     Reply #99 - January 13, 2014, 06:33 PM

    well not only me  it appears many folks do not understand you RamiRustom  and  it is  true you confuse the hell of out me..
    True., "Morality is objective" is just 3 words.  It is also true "Morality is subjective" is also just 3 words.,

    but what do we do with these three words??   They are useless as such unless we give live,  "day to day examples"  right? Is that what you want to say Rami??

    Examples are helpful. But not necessary. Go ahead and give examples.
  • Is morality subjective or objective?
     Reply #100 - January 13, 2014, 06:40 PM

    Quote from: Ishina
    So it does not follow that if someone proffers a moral standard, they are therefore proffering that morality is objective. I certainly have a moral standard, but I  certainly do not claim that morality is objective.


    At this point I didn't know what you meant by 'morality is objective'. So I asked you what you meant, and then you replied saying that you meant what I (rami) meant, and you gave your interpretation of what you think i meant, but you were wrong in your interpretation. So that means that what you said is wrong since it contains a misinterpretation of my  position.

    Then I said this:
    Quote
    If you want to understand what I mean by morality is objective, then read my essay, quote a part of it, rephrase it into your own words, and then I'll tell you if your interpretation is what I meant by the quote. So far you haven't done this.

    And you replied this:
    Quote
    Yeah, because I just love jumping through hoops, reading essays and meeting all of your arbitrary conditions when I ask for clarification on a simple point.

    So then don't do that, no one is twisting your arm. And further, you shouldn't continue protesting that I'm wrong about morality when you don't even know what I'm saying about morality.
  • Is morality subjective or objective?
     Reply #101 - January 13, 2014, 06:47 PM

    Your inability to understand a simple sentence does not render the argument void.

    That's not what happened though. You gave an unexplained assertion. And here you are ignoring that I criticized your assertion for being unexplained. So I'm not clear on something. Do you deny that your assertion is unexplained? Or not?

    Morality is inherently subjective.

    Repeating unexplained assertions are not persuasive.
    Any attempt at an objective morality is based upon wishing to universalise your predisposed notions of right/wrong or true/false.

    That's another unexplained assertion. You're asserting things about my intent without giving any explanation of why you think I (or anyone else in my situation) has that intent. And as I said before, unexplained assertions are wrong on the grounds of being unexplained.
    I feel as though this topic has been exhausted ad nauseum.

    Your feelings are not useful as a means of judging ideas. It's not objective. It's not a valid argument.
    If you need to have the simple fact that ideas are derived from humans explained to you

    lol, my position is that moral knowledge comes from human minds. and here you are assuming that that's not part of my position. You don't know what you're talking about.
    then good luck and try somewhere else. There's a reason I don't teach at a primary school.

    Making assumptions is bad in general. You should try to look for your assumptions and critically question them.
  • Is morality subjective or objective?
     Reply #102 - January 13, 2014, 07:05 PM

    At this point I didn't know what you meant by 'morality is objective'. So I asked you what you meant, and then you replied saying that you meant what I (rami) meant, and you gave your interpretation of what you think i meant, but you were wrong in your interpretation. So that means that what you said is wrong since it contains a misinterpretation of my  position.

    My initial query was: what do you mean when you say "If you have a [moral] standard, well then you're saying that morality is objective."

    When you eventually clarified what you meant by objective in this context, you said you meant that there is only one correct answer (presumably to moral questions).

    My objection (going by the definition of objective you offered, which is not a definition I've ever used) is that it does not follow. If one has some form of moral standard, it is not necessarily the case that one believes there is only one correct answer concerning morality.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Is morality subjective or objective?
     Reply #103 - January 13, 2014, 07:30 PM

    That's not what happened though. You gave an unexplained assertion. And here you are ignoring that I criticized your assertion for being unexplained. So I'm not clear on something. Do you deny that your assertion is unexplained? Or not?
    Repeating unexplained assertions are not persuasive.That's another unexplained assertion. You're asserting things about my intent without giving any explanation of why you think I (or anyone else in my situation) has that intent. And as I said before, unexplained assertions are wrong on the grounds of being unexplained.Your feelings are not useful as a means of judging ideas. It's not objective. It's not a valid argument. lol, my position is that moral knowledge comes from human minds. and here you are assuming that that's not part of my position. You don't know what you're talking about.Making assumptions is bad in general. You should try to look for your assumptions and critically question them.


    I sense a disturbance in the Force.

    1) As Yeezy pointed out to you and others moral philosophers have been talking about the FOUNDATIONS of this issue about objective/subjective morality. We are nowhere closer to the 'truth' of an objective morality at all. The reason why is because there is no ultimate answer to the issue. Unlike say if somewhere were to ask you wheter 'clouds' or 'rain' or 'chairs' or a 'wall' or 'testicles' objectively exist outside of the mind. Hit yourself in the balls and find out the answer to that one.

    2) I stated
    Quote
    But ideas, since they are the product of human minds, are essentially subjective.

     and you now say that this is your position too. Therefore what is it that required an explanation? I make a point, a simple point, that even the most intellectually challenged individual can get. I do not post for your entertainment nor will I trawl through your tedious and inconsistent philosopher-wannabe 'articles'. If you can't surmise your point in a simple, BS-free manner then it isn't worth my time.

    3) Morality is subjective but can become objectivated via laws e.g. UDHR. The social sciences bear witness to this. Believe it or not most sane people don't consider it necessary to formulate convoluted BS in order to get a simple point across. The laws however require interpretation and interpretation is a subjective exercise as its based upon a persons/groups experiences/ideas/thoughts. It's a cycle in which subjectivity plays a large part.

    Seriously, RR, not covinced by your argument (whatever the hell it is). You seem to be an atheist Hamza Tzorzis/Adam Deen. Put that in your adhominem pipe and smoke it.

    the 'lol' is the best contribution you've made so far.

    Unicorns are an idea. Unicorns are objective.




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  • Is morality subjective or objective?
     Reply #104 - January 13, 2014, 07:34 PM

    My initial query was: what do you mean when you say "If you have a [moral] standard, well then you're saying that morality is objective."

    When you eventually clarified what you meant by objective in this context, you said you meant that there is only one correct answer (presumably to moral questions).

    My objection (going by the definition of objective you offered, which is not a definition I've ever used) is that it does not follow. If one has some form of moral standard, it is not necessarily the case that one believes there is only one correct answer concerning morality.


    That's what he doesn't get.

    An individual may desire that a certain ethical standard be universalised (objectivated) but that does not mean that the individual believes that it is objective per se.

    By that logic, if I come up with a 'killer rabbit zombies' standard does the then mean that 'killer rabbit zombies' objectively exist?

    Methinks wordgames are at play here. Where's Wittgenstein when you need him? Schizo! Where you at?

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  • Is morality subjective or objective?
     Reply #105 - January 13, 2014, 08:00 PM

    Generally in philosophy, aiming towards objectivity is a move to escape the limitations of a 'subject', a move away from subjectivity. At first I assumed that's what the thread would be about, something pertaining to the rich and ongoing  discussion about this. But clearly that's not what Rami means by either term. He's going to have to be more forgiving of misinterpretation if he's using terms like this in a peculiar way, or using a more colloquial definition of objective (such as impartial) to make claims of far reaching philosophical consequence that touch upon already treaded ground.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Is morality subjective or objective?
     Reply #106 - January 13, 2014, 09:09 PM

    My initial query was: what do you mean when you say "If you have a [moral] standard, well then you're saying that morality is objective."

    When you eventually clarified what you meant by objective in this context, you said you meant that there is only one correct answer (presumably to moral questions).

    That's ONE of the things I said. Why are you ignoring the other things?

    My objection (going by the definition of objective you offered, which is not a definition I've ever used) is that it does not follow. If one has some form of moral standard, it is not necessarily the case that one believes there is only one correct answer concerning morality.

    One correct answer concerning morality? What does that mean? It doesn't look anything like what I said about morality.
  • Is morality subjective or objective?
     Reply #107 - January 13, 2014, 09:12 PM

    You seem to have missed the words "not necessarily".

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Is morality subjective or objective?
     Reply #108 - January 13, 2014, 09:16 PM

    Generally in philosophy, aiming towards objectivity is a move to escape the limitations of a 'subject', a move away from subjectivity. At first I assumed that's what the thread would be about, something pertaining to the rich and ongoing  discussion about this. But clearly that's not what Rami means by either term.

    How is it clear?

    I've said that if a person creates a standard of moral judgement, and then another person learns it, and then the 2nd person uses that standard without any help from the first guy, then the standard is independent of the person using it.

    He's going to have to be more forgiving of misinterpretation

    Why did you say 'forgiving'? Do you think that I think you're bad for having misinterpreted me? Misinterpretation is common. So thinking that it's bad is a mistake. It's common because humans are fallible.
  • Is morality subjective or objective?
     Reply #109 - January 13, 2014, 09:17 PM

    You seem to have missed the words "not necessarily".

    I didn't miss it. Even if you add those words in, her interpretation of what I said in my essay is wrong.
  • Is morality subjective or objective?
     Reply #110 - January 13, 2014, 09:28 PM

    Do you have a neurological disorder? I'm not trying to insult you, I'm genuinely asking.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Is morality subjective or objective?
     Reply #111 - January 13, 2014, 09:33 PM

    I sense a disturbance in the Force.

    1) As Yeezy pointed out to you and others moral philosophers have been talking about the FOUNDATIONS of this issue about objective/subjective morality. We are nowhere closer to the 'truth' of an objective morality at all. The reason why is because there is no ultimate answer to the issue. Unlike say if somewhere were to ask you wheter 'clouds' or 'rain' or 'chairs' or a 'wall' or 'testicles' objectively exist outside of the mind. Hit yourself in the balls and find out the answer to that one.

    But you’re wrong that moral ideas cannot exist outside the mind. I can create a moral idea, write it in a book, then die, then the next guy and read what I said, and learn the moral standard. In between me dying and the next guy reading it, where did the moral idea exist? Outside of the mind.

    2) I stated  

    Quote
    But ideas, since they are the product of human minds, are essentially subjective.


    and you now say that this is your position too.

    You’re wrong that that is my position. You’ve misinterpreted me.

    I agreed to the idea that moral ideas come from human minds. The statement I agreed to said nothing about your subjectivity comment.

    Therefore what is it that required an explanation? I make a point, a simple point, that even the most intellectually challenged individual can get.

    Instead of claiming that I misunderstood you and that my misunderstanding is because I’m not smart enough, why don’t you pay attention to your own interpretations of what I say so that you can look for your possible misinterpretations?


    I do not post for your entertainment nor will I trawl through your tedious and inconsistent philosopher-wannabe 'articles'. If you can't surmise your point in a simple, BS-free manner then it isn't worth my time.

    so then why are you commenting here? if you don’t want to talk to me, then don’t comment on my essays.


    3) Morality is subjective but can become objectivated via laws e.g. UDHR. The social sciences bear witness to this. Believe it or not most sane people don't consider it necessary to formulate convoluted BS in order to get a simple point across. The laws however require interpretation and interpretation is a subjective exercise as its based upon a persons/groups experiences/ideas/thoughts. It's a cycle in which subjectivity plays a large part.

    All the interpreting you’re talking about can be done objectively. Just because most people don’t doesn’t mean it’s impossible.

    Seriously, RR, not covinced by your argument (whatever the hell it is).

    How can you be convinced by an argument that you don’t understand? That doesn’t make any sense.

    You seem to be an atheist Hamza Tzorzis/Adam Deen. Put that in your adhominem pipe and smoke it.

    Adhominem is personal attacks. But I didn’t make any of those and actually you’re the one who made some personal attacks on me. What are you talking about?
  • Is morality subjective or objective?
     Reply #112 - January 13, 2014, 09:35 PM

    Do you have a neurological disorder? I'm not trying to insult you, I'm genuinely asking.

    Huh? Why did you think that I thought that you're insulting me? Are you joking?
  • Is morality subjective or objective?
     Reply #113 - January 13, 2014, 09:49 PM

    But you’re wrong that moral ideas cannot exist outside the mind. I can create a moral idea, write it in a book, then die, then the next guy and read what I said, and learn the moral standard. In between me dying and the next guy reading it, where did the moral idea exist? Outside of the mind.


    There's a difference between something being objective and objectivated.

    These are 'cultural memes' that you are referring to. Ideas that have been passed through the ages via cultural narratives. That does not make these ideas objective at all. They have the pretence of existing outside of the human mind but the moral ideas must be interpreted and the interpretation will mostly change depending upon the observor (subjective). Unlike two meteorologists describing the properties of a cloud or gas. The physical propertie will be the same providing they ahve correct instruments and all anomoloies accounted for. This is objective. The same can't be said when two people view a moral situation or try to apply a moral standard/principle to a situation.

    Morality wheter enshrined in law or passed through as a meme is still subjective. This word play you are playing is silly an childish. Do the HIndu myths become objective because people have learnt of them and apply their 'lessons' to their daily lives? They still exist within the realm of the imagination (and solely there) despite their application in the actual world.

    Again, the issue here is of language.

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  • Is morality subjective or objective?
     Reply #114 - January 13, 2014, 09:52 PM

    I'm genuinely asking.


    ^ See that bit? This is why I asked. When things are said quite plainly you don't seem to see the words written.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
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  • Re: Is morality subjective or objective?
     Reply #115 - January 13, 2014, 09:54 PM

    That's ONE of the things I said. Why are you ignoring the other things?

    Because I wanted to know what you meant by objective in that specific context, since you use several different definitions of objective and flip-flop between them depending on which point you're defending.

    One correct answer concerning morality? What does that mean? It doesn't look anything like what I said about morality.

    Ah, my mistake. I thought by "This means that every question has only one correct answer. This applies to moral truths like it does for any other truths." you meant that every question has only one correct answer and that applies to morality too. It looked kinda similar to my eyes, but it must be something wrong with my eyes or something.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Is morality subjective or objective?
     Reply #116 - January 13, 2014, 10:19 PM

    I've said that if a person creates a standard of moral judgement, and then another person learns it, and then the 2nd person uses that standard without any help from the first guy, then the standard is independent of the person using it.

    It'd still be based entirely on subjective context and interpretation.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Is morality subjective or objective?
     Reply #117 - January 16, 2014, 11:46 PM

    ^ See that bit? This is why I asked. When things are said quite plainly you don't seem to see the words written.

    You ignored my question. I asked you this: Why did you think that I thought that you're insulting me?
  • Is morality subjective or objective?
     Reply #118 - January 16, 2014, 11:50 PM

    Because I wanted to know what you meant by objective in that specific context, since you use several different definitions of objective and flip-flop between them depending on which point you're defending.
    Ah, my mistake. I thought by "This means that every question has only one correct answer. This applies to moral truths like it does for any other truths." you meant that every question has only one correct answer and that applies to morality too. It looked kinda similar to my eyes, but it must be something wrong with my eyes or something.

    But you didn't say anything like that. You said this: "If one has some form of moral standard, it is not necessarily the case that one believes there is only one correct answer concerning morality."

    I never said that "there is only one correct answer concerning morality".

    And now you are trying to equate that with "every question has only one correct answer and that applies to morality too."
  • Is morality subjective or objective?
     Reply #119 - January 16, 2014, 11:51 PM

    It'd still be based entirely on subjective context and interpretation.

    Are you thinking that it's impossible for two people to agree on a context and interpretation?
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