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Is morality subjective or objective?
Reply #120 - January 16, 2014, 11:54 PM

Quote from: RamiRustom on January 16, 2014, 11:51 PM
Are you thinking that it's impossible for two people to agree on a context and interpretation?

No it is not impossible RamiRustom ., If everyone accepts me and agree with whatever I say then I think it is possible..

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Reply #121 - January 16, 2014, 11:58 PM

Quote from: Jedi on January 13, 2014, 09:49 PM
There's a difference between something being objective and objectivated.

These are 'cultural memes' that you are referring to. Ideas that have been passed through the ages via cultural narratives. That does not make these ideas objective at all.

Did you ignore what I said in my essay about objectivity? If an idea is intended to solve a problem, then it actually fails to solve the problem we can explain that it does fail to solve the problem -- this means the idea is objective.
Quote from: Jedi on January 13, 2014, 09:49 PM
They have the pretence of existing outside of the human mind but the moral ideas must be interpreted and the interpretation will mostly change depending upon the observor (subjective).

So what if they are different? Are you saying that it's impossible for two people to agree on an interpretation?
Quote from: Jedi on January 13, 2014, 09:49 PM
Unlike two meteorologists describing the properties of a cloud or gas. The physical propertie will be the same providing they ahve correct instruments and all anomoloies accounted for. This is objective. The same can't be said when two people view a moral situation or try to apply a moral standard/principle to a situation.

Why not? Do you have an argument? If not, then why do you believe it?
Quote from: Jedi on January 13, 2014, 09:49 PM
Morality wheter enshrined in law or passed through as a meme is still subjective. This word play you are playing is silly an childish.

What word play?
Quote from: Jedi on January 13, 2014, 09:49 PM
Do the HIndu myths become objective because people have learnt of them and apply their 'lessons' to their daily lives?

Why are you asking that question? I didn't say that that's what objectivity means. My essay talks about problem solving and you didn't mention problems or solutions at all.
Quote from: Jedi on January 13, 2014, 09:49 PM
They still exist within the realm of the imagination (and solely there) despite their application in the actual world.

Again, the issue here is of language.

What issue?
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Reply #122 - January 16, 2014, 11:59 PM

Quote from: yeezevee on January 16, 2014, 11:54 PM
No it is not impossible RamiRustom

So what's the point of saying that people have different interpretations when it's possible for them to agree on the correct interpretation?
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Reply #123 - January 17, 2014, 12:04 AM

Quote from: RamiRustom on January 16, 2014, 11:59 PM
So what's the point of saying that people have different interpretations when it's possible for them to agree on the correct interpretation?

I guess that CORRECT interpretation is either yours or mine only., anyways., certain complex issues need systematic questioning/answering and questioning until it is perfect..

Don't you agree with " that people must have freedom to question however accurate your or my interpretation of a given problem is" Nothing is 100% perfect..

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Reply #124 - January 17, 2014, 12:28 AM

Quote from: RamiRustom on January 16, 2014, 11:50 PM
But you didn't say anything like that. You said this: "If one has some form of moral standard, it is not necessarily the case that one believes there is only one correct answer concerning morality."

I never said that "there is only one correct answer concerning morality".

And now you are trying to equate that with "every question has only one correct answer and that applies to morality too."

Yeah, probably just another misunderstanding or misrepresentation by me. It was wrong to assume that by "morality is objective" and "[objective] means that every question has only one correct answer. This applies to moral truths like it does for any other truths" you meant that there is only one correct answer concerning morality. My bad.

Quote from: RamiRustom on January 16, 2014, 11:51 PM
Are you thinking that it's impossible for two people to agree on a context and interpretation?

No, that would be stupid. I'm saying that even if two or more people agree on something it doesn't escape subjectivity.

Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
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