Hamza VS Philosophy of science

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OP - January 23, 2014, 11:51 AM

Dawah gimps know nothing about science. This is well known, and I'm sure I don't need to convince you. Some of the dawah gimps are aware of their scientific shortcomings themselves, and will try to avoid talking about science, and instead retreat into the philosophy of science. The feel that they can undermine science itself and dismiss it (in Hamza's case) as "just inductive".

Hamza is an influential dawah gimp, and I often come across people using his arguments. The 'deduction VS induction' debate seems to be a favourite because it is way for them to avoid having to talk about science, and instead rely on thinking god into existence. The debate is simplistically represented as deduction being 100% fact, and induction being mere generalisation.

Everything I have heard Hamza say on the topic of philosophy of science is wrong. He knows less than nothing. It would be better to know nothing because then at least you wouldn't be wrong. Hamza's understanding at the level we would expect from a man who faied to graduate, consistently fails to understand anything, and has read a couple of wikipedia paragraphs on philosophy of science whilst misinterpreting it. Even his basic definitions are incorrect.

I am not an expert. I have studied one module of philosophy science, but I think every topic he brushes on was covered in the first half hour of the first lecture, and he gets literally everything wrong.

A decent video I found elaborating on the Deduction Vs Induction issue:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48uaZVqiw3I
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Reply #1 - January 23, 2014, 02:08 PM

Very nice video
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Reply #2 - January 23, 2014, 03:45 PM

Very interesting video, it explained things in a very easily comprehensive way. I haven't watched or listened to the Krauss vs Tzortzis video, but I am not impressed at all by the philosphical arguments for god.They are pretty much useless in the end, because they aren't really supported by hard evidence when you think about it. That is one of the reasons why I lost faith in god in the first place.

Every historical, archeological, anthropological and scientific fact and analysis points to the fact that there probably is no transcendent diety watching over or, and he/she certainly did not create us in accordance with any of the abrahamitic (or otherwise) creationist stories. And it is pretty obvious that religions are nothing but man made, even though I admit that the prophets every now and then could have been convinced they were being inspired (even though, personally, I think that most of them knew they were talking shit).

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Reply #3 - February 02, 2014, 06:44 PM

Hamza and iERA have given up on the science in the quran claims, they know that debating against scientific facts is futile so the only things they are left with are saying that science itself is not rational and relying on some supposed grammar tricks in the Quran.

I wonder how long before they stop with those claims as well and end their dawah altogether.

In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
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