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Reply #210 - February 14, 2014, 08:59 PM

^^^^^^^

'Blind, dumb cattle' sums it up.

Unbelievers are sub-human. Worse than animals. At least animals act as though Allah commanded them too. You don't see Allah condemning arrogant chickens or unrighteous sheep to Hell do you?

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Reply #211 - February 14, 2014, 09:02 PM

Quote from: Quod Sum Eris on February 14, 2014, 08:51 PM
The quran is full of verses disparaging those who don't believe. The sheer denegation of unbelievers is incredible.

is it relevant my explanation about basic tenet of Islamic teachings..

Islam teach on manners and forbids Muslim to use foul language, continually curse and ridicule others

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Reply #212 - February 14, 2014, 09:03 PM

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^^^^^^^

'Blind, dumb cattle' sums it up.

~~Unbelievers are sub-human.~~ Worse than animals. At least animals act as though Allah commanded them too. You don't see Allah condemning arrogant chickens or unrighteous sheep to Hell do you?

No...no..

All momins and all animals follow the rules of allah., Club them together Jedi., they go together and their level intelligence is more or less similar..

the only odd guys here are Unbelievers .,

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Reply #213 - February 14, 2014, 09:07 PM

Quote from: S.A.M on February 14, 2014, 09:02 PM
is it relevant my explanation about basic tenet of Islamic teachings..

Islam teach on manners and forbids Muslim to use foul language, continually curse and ridicule others

The quran does almost nothing but curse and ridicule others. Are you saying muslims should go against the quran?

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Reply #214 - February 14, 2014, 09:16 PM

Sum Eris,

You're funny....dont just blurt out what's on your mind..

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Reply #215 - February 14, 2014, 09:21 PM

`But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
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`How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
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Reply #216 - February 14, 2014, 09:28 PM

Let's me show you this..

Bismillah Ir Rahman Ir Rahim is considered by some to be a major pillar of Islam. The Qur'an is in the Fatiha; the Fatiha is in the Bismi'llah [the opening phrase of the Fatiha]; the Bismi'llah is in the Ba [the first letter of Bismi'llah];and all that is in the Alif is in the Point [the dot beneath the Alif]. What I'm trying to say that the dot is the most important of all figures, for every figure is an extension of the dot and including the source of al-Quran and every figure. In other words is the secret of Allah, and in this secret the mighty power of Allah is hidden..

Did you know or didn't know that Bismillah Ir Rahman Ir Rahim was existed more than (approximately) 2000 years before Muhammad was born.

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Reply #217 - February 14, 2014, 09:35 PM

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Bismillah Ir Rahman Ir Rahim is considered by some to be a major pillar of Islam. The Qur'an is in the Fatiha; the Fatiha is in the Bismi'llah [the opening phrase of the Fatiha]; the Bismi'llah is in the Ba [the first letter of Bismi'llah];and all that is in the Alif is in the Point [the dot beneath the Alif]. What I'm trying to say that the dot is the most important of all figures, for every figure is an extension of the dot and including the source of al-Quran and every figure. In other words is the secret of Allah, and in this secret the mighty power of Allah is hidden..

Did you know or didn't know that Bismillah Ir Rahman Ir Rahim was existed more than (approximately) 2000 years before Muhammad was born.

What's your point?
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Reply #218 - February 14, 2014, 09:37 PM

Quote from: S.A.M on February 14, 2014, 09:28 PM
Let's me show you this..

~~Bismillah Ir Rahman Ir Rahim is considered by some to be a major pillar of Islam.~~ The Qur'an is in the Fatiha; the Fatiha is in the Bismi'llah [the opening phrase of the Fatiha]; the Bismi'llah is in the Ba [the first letter of Bismi'llah];and all that is in the Alif is in the Point [the dot beneath the Alif]. What I'm trying to say that the dot is the most important of all figures, for every figure is an extension of the dot and including the source of al-Quran and every figure. In other words is the secret of Allah, and in this secret the mighty power of Allah is hidden..

Did you know or didn't know that Bismillah Ir Rahman Ir Rahim was existed more than (approximately) 2000 years before Muhammad was born.

S. A.M. this "~~Bismillah Ir Rahman Ir Rahim is considered by some to be a major pillar of Islam.~~" is NOT a pillar of Islam.. forget major pillar of Islam.

The fact you are saying that statement is there before Islam in many other languages is an indication that phrase is NOTHING TO DO WITH ISLAM..

what all you are saying is, Early Islamic writers copy/pasted it., that is all what it is..

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Reply #219 - February 14, 2014, 09:40 PM

Quote from: S.A.M on February 14, 2014, 09:28 PM
Let's me show you this..

Bismillah Ir Rahman Ir Rahim is considered by some to be a major pillar of Islam. The Qur'an is in the Fatiha; the Fatiha is in the Bismi'llah [the opening phrase of the Fatiha]; the Bismi'llah is in the Ba [the first letter of Bismi'llah];and all that is in the Alif is in the Point [the dot beneath the Alif]. What I'm trying to say that the dot is the most important of all figures, for every figure is an extension of the dot and including the source of al-Quran and every figure. In other words is the secret of Allah, and in this secret the mighty power of Allah is hidden..

Did you know or didn't know that Bismillah Ir Rahman Ir Rahim was existed more than (approximately) 2000 years before Muhammad was born.

The five pillars of islam are:

Shahadah: sincerely reciting the Muslim profession of faith.
Salat: performing ritual prayers in the proper way five times each day.
Zakat: paying an alms (or charity) tax to benefit the poor and the needy.
Sawm: fasting during the month of Ramadan.
Hajj: pilgrimage to Mecca.

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`Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.'
`How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
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Reply #220 - February 14, 2014, 09:41 PM

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What's your point?

Sources of the Qur'an other than divine revelations.

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Reply #221 - February 14, 2014, 09:43 PM

Bismillah blah-blah-blah is NOT part of the QURANIC REVELATION

It is not a verse

It is a marker that was placed there by the ORIGINAL authors of what came to be the STANDARDISED form of the UTHMANIC KORAN. It was used to denote the beginning of a chapter. Just like Ameen is used to denote t's ending.

Sister I hope that answers your question.

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Reply #222 - February 14, 2014, 09:44 PM

Quote from: Quod Sum Eris on February 14, 2014, 09:40 PM
The five pillars of islam are:

Shahadah: sincerely reciting the Muslim profession of faith.
Salat: performing ritual prayers in the proper way five times each day.
Zakat: paying an alms (or charity) tax to benefit the poor and the needy.
Sawm: fasting during the month of Ramadan.
Hajj: pilgrimage to Mecca.

Read carefully..."Bismillah Ir Rahman Ir Rahim is considered by some to be a major pillar of Islam. I do not say one of the 5 pillars of Islam..

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Reply #223 - February 14, 2014, 09:46 PM

Your explanation of Bismillah Ir Rahman Ir Rahim didn't really tell me anything. What exactly is your point?

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Reply #224 - February 14, 2014, 09:58 PM

The surahs of the Quran scriptures are all in poetry and the verse Bismillah Ir Rahman Ir Rahim and is a beautifully poetic phrase which offers both deep insight and brilliant inspiration and contains the true essence of the entire Qur'an, as well as the true essence of all religions...

I think I should stop here...enough!

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Reply #225 - February 14, 2014, 10:01 PM

Quote from: S.A.M on February 14, 2014, 09:41 PM
Sources of the Qur'an other than divine revelations.

That's not even a sentence. So how could it be a point?
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Reply #226 - February 14, 2014, 10:02 PM

Quote from: S.A.M on February 14, 2014, 09:44 PM
Read carefully..."Bismillah Ir Rahman Ir Rahim is considered by some to be a major pillar of Islam. I do not say one of the 5 pillars of Islam..

S.A,M, then you are using wrong word there you know well in Islam "Pillar" has specific meaning..

Then you should say " that statement is one of the major tenets of Islam"

You know well translation of Bismillah ir-Rahman ir-Rahim. is "In the name of God, most Gracious, most Compassionate". ..

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Reply #227 - February 14, 2014, 10:02 PM

Quote from: S.A.M on February 14, 2014, 09:58 PM
The surahs of the Quran scriptures are all in poetry and the verse Bismillah Ir Rahman Ir Rahim and is a beautifully poetic phrase which offers both deep insight and brilliant inspiration and contains the true essence of the entire Qur'an, as well as the true essence of all religions...

I think I should stop here...enough!

Can you explain what that has to do with this?
Quote from: Quod Sum Eris on February 14, 2014, 08:51 PM
The quran is full of verses disparaging those who don't believe. The sheer denegation of unbelievers is incredible.

`But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
`Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.'
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Reply #228 - February 14, 2014, 10:04 PM

No S.A.M. you should've stopped a long time and think....think....think....

Your true 'essence' is true bullshit.

Bismillah-blah-blah-blah is NOT a verse. Which KORAN are you reading? When did you author it? Who is publishing it for you? May I have a signed copy? Can you BURN it on a CD for me?

How can something that was NEVER part of the REVELATION according to the muslim TRADITIONAL SOURCES and ACADEMIC KNOWLEDGE be considered to be part of the Koran? What you are reading in the blah-blah-blah is a-part from the Koran.

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Reply #229 - February 14, 2014, 10:13 PM

It has been the subject of argument debate among righteous. pious, saints etc.It is not for you all to know it...

I asked a simple question.."Did you know or didn't know that Bismillah Ir Rahman Ir Rahim was existed more than (approximately) 2000 years before Muhammad was born."

None of you can give an answer..

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Reply #230 - February 14, 2014, 10:14 PM

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It has been the subject of argument debate among righteous. pious, saints etc.It is not for you all to know it...

If it's not for us, then why did you bring it up?
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Reply #231 - February 14, 2014, 10:23 PM

Quote from: S.A.M on February 14, 2014, 10:13 PM
It has been the subject of argument debate among righteous. pious, saints etc.It is not for you all to know it...

I asked a simple question.."Did you know or didn't know that Bismillah Ir Rahman Ir Rahim was existed more than (approximately) 2000 years before Muhammad was born."

None of you can give an answer..

You make no coherent points. You use extremely vague/subjective statements and have an expectation for them to be taken seriously. You demand evidence without providing any of your own for a statement that YOU alone are making.

S.A.M you are TROLL. You are not the REAL.

Due to you unintelligability I introduce you to:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Gtomt4of64

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Reply #232 - February 14, 2014, 10:24 PM

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Reply #233 - February 14, 2014, 10:25 PM

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Reply #234 - February 14, 2014, 10:26 PM

S. A. M

Why don't you answer my questions?

If you don't want to discuss, then why are you here?
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Reply #235 - February 14, 2014, 10:29 PM

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It has been the subject of argument debate among righteous. pious, saints etc.It is not for you all to know it...

So you're saying no one here is righteous. pious, saints etc?
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I asked a simple question.."Did you know or didn't know that Bismillah Ir Rahman Ir Rahim was existed more than (approximately) 2000 years before Muhammad was born."

None of you can give an answer..

I can answer for myself. The answer is no.

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Reply #236 - February 14, 2014, 10:38 PM

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If it's not for us, then why did you bring it up?

I consider myself one of those..".righteous"

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Reply #237 - February 14, 2014, 10:44 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dX_PfBuyR6E

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Reply #238 - February 14, 2014, 11:16 PM

Quote from: S.A.M on February 14, 2014, 10:38 PM
I consider myself one of those..".righteous"

You didn't answer my question. Why are you bringing that up here on this forum?
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Reply #239 - February 15, 2014, 03:56 AM

Quote from: Quod Sum Eris on February 14, 2014, 10:29 PM
So you're saying no one here is righteous. pious, saints etc?

Yes.
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I can answer for myself. The answer is no.

Thank you for honest answer..

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