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     Reply #240 - February 15, 2014, 04:25 AM
    Quote from: RamiRustom on February 14, 2014, 11:16 PM
    You didn't answer my question. Why are you bringing that up here on this forum?

    For those who want to know where did Al Quran source came from.
    Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path). (al-Baqarah 2:18)
  • Help Me!
     Reply #241 - February 15, 2014, 04:27 AM
    So you agree it wasn't allah?
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
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     Reply #242 - February 15, 2014, 04:35 AM
    No...Quran complete words of Allah

    Anti Islam always says, Quran is the products of man's mind,Qur'an, Bible,Torah did not came from same source, Quran is stupid, nonsense, liar, words of Satan, untruth, error and so forth...
    Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path). (al-Baqarah 2:18)
  • Help Me!
     Reply #243 - February 15, 2014, 05:12 AM
    Quote
    Quran is stupid, nonsense, liar, words of Satan, untruth, error and so forth...

    I agree with everything except the Satan bit.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Help Me!
     Reply #244 - February 15, 2014, 05:15 AM
    Ok..no comment

    May I know. what your basic conscious beliefs?
    Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path). (al-Baqarah 2:18)
  • Help Me!
     Reply #245 - February 15, 2014, 05:54 AM
    Conscious beliefs? Huh? How do you mean? Religion, life, what?
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Help Me!
     Reply #246 - February 15, 2014, 06:13 AM
    Anything..
    Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path). (al-Baqarah 2:18)
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     Reply #247 - February 15, 2014, 06:28 AM
    My beliefs are all reality based.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Help Me!
     Reply #248 - February 15, 2014, 07:16 AM
    What is it?
    Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path). (al-Baqarah 2:18)
  • Help Me!
     Reply #249 - February 15, 2014, 07:21 AM
    Quote from: Quod Sum Eris on February 15, 2014, 05:12 AM
    I agree with everything except the Satan bit.


     Cheesy
    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • Help Me!
     Reply #250 - February 15, 2014, 07:28 AM
    Quote from: Quod Sum Eris on February 15, 2014, 06:28 AM
    My beliefs are all reality based.

    What your foundation of reality based?
    Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path). (al-Baqarah 2:18)
  • Help Me!
     Reply #251 - February 15, 2014, 07:38 AM
    Reality.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Help Me!
     Reply #252 - February 15, 2014, 07:41 AM
    The natural world, not supernatural mumbo jumbo.
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     Reply #253 - February 15, 2014, 07:45 AM
    A.k.a. reality. Wink
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Help Me!
     Reply #254 - February 15, 2014, 09:04 AM
    Quote from: Quod Sum Eris on February 15, 2014, 07:38 AM
    Reality.

    Show me then where reality is?
    Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path). (al-Baqarah 2:18)
  • Help Me!
     Reply #255 - February 15, 2014, 09:08 AM
    Here it is. Smiley
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Help Me!
     Reply #256 - February 15, 2014, 09:30 AM
    What if reality as you know it is nothing more than an illusion?
    Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path). (al-Baqarah 2:18)
  • Help Me!
     Reply #257 - February 15, 2014, 09:32 AM
    Nope.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Help Me!
     Reply #258 - February 15, 2014, 09:33 AM
    Quote from: S.A.M on February 14, 2014, 12:43 PM
    bogart,
    Have you finished reading?


    Yes I read it. It was written by a Muslim. Dr Miller is Abdul-Ahad Omar and Islamic lecturer. It repeats the same claims that have been discussed on this forum repeatedly, some of the claims have been discussed within the last month.
  • Help Me!
     Reply #259 - February 15, 2014, 09:34 AM
    If this world in which we live in isn't "real", the hypothetical "after-life" and "god" for which have no evidence, support or experience of, is no more real that this which we have right now. We do not remember anything before we were born, it was all black. I believe that after our death, it will be the same.
    "The healthiest people I know are those who are the first to label themselves fucked up." - three
  • Help Me!
     Reply #260 - February 15, 2014, 09:43 AM
    Quote
    We do not remember anything before we were born, it was all black. I believe that after our death, it will be the same.

    hmmmm....You do not remember anything before you was born...

    How come you know "it was all black"...? Do you use illusion?
    Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path). (al-Baqarah 2:18)
  • Help Me!
     Reply #261 - February 15, 2014, 09:51 AM
    I remember nothing because I didn't exist. Thus, when you die you stop existing just like when you didn't exist before your father and mother copulated, conceived and then gave birth to their offspring. Life is a journey from point A (birth) to point B (death).
    "The healthiest people I know are those who are the first to label themselves fucked up." - three
  • Help Me!
     Reply #262 - February 15, 2014, 10:05 AM
    So, it is reality to you?
    Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path). (al-Baqarah 2:18)
  • Help Me!
     Reply #263 - February 15, 2014, 10:10 AM
    Do you have any kind of support or tangible evidence to the contrary? You like to come off like some kind of quasi-philosopher, but you have no substantial arguments for your claims. Even your theological claims, which differ immensely from traditional mainstream Islam, you have no support for. Smiley
    "The healthiest people I know are those who are the first to label themselves fucked up." - three
  • Help Me!
     Reply #264 - February 15, 2014, 10:13 AM
    Quote from: S.A.M on February 15, 2014, 10:05 AM
    So, it is reality to you?

    Did you just ask if non existence is a personal reality?
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Help Me!
     Reply #265 - February 15, 2014, 10:25 AM
    Quote from: Cornflower on February 15, 2014, 10:10 AM
    You like to come off like some kind of quasi-philosopher,


     finmad How dare you insult quasi-philosophers! Cornflower....off to bed with you!  finmad
    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • Help Me!
     Reply #266 - February 15, 2014, 10:28 AM
    Quote
    Did you just ask if non existence is a personal reality?

    Yup.. It is just like body and soul. The body is an illusion, the soul a reality. It is the same with the flower and its fragrance: the flower is an illusion, but the fragrance is a reality: it stays as a spirit, it lives.
    Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path). (al-Baqarah 2:18)
  • Help Me!
     Reply #267 - February 15, 2014, 10:50 AM
    s.a.m. do unicorns exist?
    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • Help Me!
     Reply #268 - February 15, 2014, 10:58 AM
    Quote from: S.A.M on February 15, 2014, 10:28 AM
    Yup.. It is just like body and soul. The body is an illusion, the soul a reality. It is the same with the flower and its fragrance: the flower is an illusion, but the fragrance is a reality: it stays as a spirit, it lives.


    A flower is not an illusion as it provides many useful functions to the plant. It attracts animals and insects for the purpose of reproduction. It protects vulnerable areas of the planet from damage, reproductive organs. Without the flower there is no fragrance. Your analogue is flawed as the whole flower serves a purpose, a purpose that can not exist without the flower. Both the flower and fragrance are "reality". Nice religious jargon which means nothing in the end.
  • Help Me!
     Reply #269 - February 15, 2014, 11:11 AM
    S.A.M

    Cut one of your hands off, and then tell us whether you still think that your body is an illusion ( try not to get blood on the keyboard). Now you can go all neo-Platonic ( although the idea that you've read, let alone understood, Plato, Plotinus or their successors is entertaining ) and denigrate tangible physical reality in its opposition to your presumptive world of the eternal soul, but your entire being is encompassed by a really real reality that really is no illusion.

    You do know that without the flower there can be no fragrance, and without the body, no organ to perceive said fragrance? I can't experience your idea of a fragrance, but I can definitely go into the garden, with whoever wishes to accompany me, and we can share the experience of the actual fragrance of whatever happens to be blooming at the time. Reality is always going to trump degenerate mysticism.



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