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  • Help Me!
     Reply #330 - February 16, 2014, 02:17 PM
    Quote from: S.A.M
    S.A.M
    Why are you all so afraid of Allah...Fear of Death....Fear of Hell,..Fear of Punishment and so forth.

    Because Quran says, so or what?

    I don't give a damn shit for that

    Why are you lying? You just said that all of us are afraid of Allah, death, hell, etc. Most of us here don't believe in Allah, so we don't fear something we don't believe in. And many of us have said that we don't fear death.

    So why did you say that we "all" are afraid of Allah? You are fooling yourself.

    "The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the easiest person to fool." Richard Feynman.
  • Help Me!
     Reply #331 - February 16, 2014, 02:33 PM
    Because I know there is NO Heaven and Hell after death..That is why I am not afraid.
    Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path). (al-Baqarah 2:18)
  • Help Me!
     Reply #332 - February 16, 2014, 02:43 PM
    Haha why would I be scared of a mythical bullying idiot? I'm asking you to explain why it has to be so evil and if you think it's behaviour is fair and just? It would be nice if you answered by original queries.
  • Help Me!
     Reply #333 - February 16, 2014, 02:50 PM
    Quote from: S.A.M on February 16, 2014, 02:33 PM
    Because I know there is NO Heaven and Hell after death..That is why I am not afraid.

    Sufi S.A.M  be careful here and there you transgress in to blasphemy with your posts., don't slip your tongue with such words  in real life .

    and listen to Paagal Kaun -- Amar Sindhu  And watch the video from LAND OF PURE He is Dead He is Dead  Paagal Kaun? who is mad??

    warning: "THAT LINK CONTAINS A VIDEO WITH GRAPHIC CONTENT MOB MURDERING A FELLOW WHO BURNED THE QURAN"

    well that is published in DAWN

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    Who is mad?

    A man detained in a lock-up in a blasphemy case was beaten to death and his body was torched by a lynch mob that had stormed the Rajo Deero police station on December 21, 2012. Officials said over 1,000 people from Sita village and its surroundings had attacked the police station to take out from the lock-up the man who had been handed over to the police some hours earlier by Memon Masjid area residents who had made the accusation against him.

    This man was the clean-shaved pesh-imam of the mosque in the village of Sita, in Sindh. He had previously been a high school teacher but decided to become an imam after retirement. He was telling us the details of the heart-rending incident of the lynching that took place there.

    The incident occurred in Sita village in the Dadu district. An unknown man was held in the lock-up at the village police station because he had allegedly burnt copies of the Quran in the village mosque. A mob attacked the police station and pushed the apprehended man down from a two-storey building, they then dragged him two to three kilometres outside the town. Over there, they beat him with sticks, bricks and stones to death. When satiated, they set fire to his body.

    The clean-shaved imam began telling us the story with the recitation and translation of the verse from the Quran in the following words:

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    “I am the imam of another mosque. I was returning from prayers when I heard the news that five copies of the Quran had been burnt by a kafir. That kafir had burned chapters of the Holy Book and the Durood Sharif. The Holy Name of the Creator had been burnt. The Holy Name of the Holy Prophet (PBUH) had been burnt. It’s the question of the Almighty Creator’s Holy Word. I consider that man who was burned by the mob to be a kafir. There are mad people in our village too but they have never done anything like this. The incident happened at half past two in the night. When the kafir burnt the copies of the Quran, the watchman caught him and handed him over to the police. When the people heard about the incident, their ‘religious fervour’ arose because this was about the Holy Quran. They thronged the police station for their ‘Muslim honour’ and burnt the kafir. There is no replacement for the burning of the Holy Quran because in the world, we can’t even provide a replacement for the ‘alif’, ‘laam’ and ‘meem’.

    Our Prophet had said:

    ‘I am leaving two things amongst you; my progeny and the Quran. If you act according to the Quran, you will never go wrong.’”



    Well S.A.M  be a  sufi inside out and be your own sufi..
    and..and don't get hurt in real life with such blasphemous words..

     
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Help Me!
     Reply #334 - February 16, 2014, 03:15 PM
    Quote
    I'm asking you to explain why it has to be so evil and if you think it's behaviour is fair and just? It would be nice if you answered by original queries.


    What makes you think Allah so evil is it because Allah is "The Good, The Bad and The Ugly" three types of characters...  grin12

    Allah is full of love and kindness to His creation....The Compassionate;The Loving;The Forbearing One;The Most Gracious;The Most Merciful;The Source of Goodness;The Most Generous;The Bestower and many more...


    In Quran Allah says,
    " I would bring you forgiveness nearly as great as the earth.”
    "Indeed, it is He who is the Accepting of repentance, the Merciful."

    Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path). (al-Baqarah 2:18)
  • Help Me!
     Reply #335 - February 16, 2014, 03:29 PM
    S.A.M

    You keep repeating your assertion that Allah is real. But you haven't explained why you believe that. So please explain to us: Why do you believe in Allah?

    Note that this is my second time asking you this. If you don't answer, then that raises another question: Do you don't know WHY you believe in Allah?
  • Help Me!
     Reply #336 - February 16, 2014, 03:42 PM
    Quote
    You keep repeating your assertion that Allah is real. But you haven't explained why you believe that. So please explain to us: Why do you believe in Allah?

    Note that this is my second time asking you this. If you don't answer, then that raises another question: Do you don't know WHY you believe in Allah?

     Because I studied quite enough.."He who knows himself knows Allah" Is the key to the knowledge of existence of Supreme Being called Allah, God or Yahweh

    Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path). (al-Baqarah 2:18)
  • Help Me!
     Reply #337 - February 16, 2014, 03:48 PM
    I worried siunaa become unhappy that we've hijacked his thread  Thread jacked
    Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path). (al-Baqarah 2:18)
  • Help Me!
     Reply #338 - February 16, 2014, 03:58 PM
    I'm very willing to talk to Siunaa about any topic he likes. S.A.M. You say that Allah is the good, the bad and the ugly. Try to use a rational thought process and think about this:

    I could go out now and kill 100 children but tomorrow I could help a child across the road. By your logic I've been the good, the bad and the ugly but most people's logic using morality would decide that I'm just plain evil. Therefore Allah is just plain evil. You also didn't answer this from a while ago:

    You stated that Allah wished to be known so that's why we have to constantly pray to him. However, if it wanted to be known, why did it go about it the worst, most inaccurate and slowest way possible? I can't think of a worse way of trying to get the population of earth to believe in me and I'm just a human, not an omnipotent omniscient all powerful god.

    It decided to explain everything to ONE imperfect human in ONE small part of a huge planet with ONE race in a very imperfect language that can be interpreted anyway the reader wishes meaning that Allah's wish of spreading his exact word could never happen so why did Allah do it this way? Is it really stupid or am I missing something?

    Hypothetically imagine if Allah gave the Quran to the leader of every nation (in their language) and explained to them how to build a printing press, it's word would've spread so quickly and it's word would be clear, removing all the numerous misinterpretations. Do you not think that is a better way of spreading the word and getting people to worship it (which it obviously craves so much). It reminds me more of a small spoilt child who constantly demands attention rather than an incredible all knowing God with mystical powers.

    Can you answer this please, thanks.
  • Help Me!
     Reply #339 - February 16, 2014, 03:59 PM
    Quote from: S.A.M on February 16, 2014, 03:42 PM
    Because I studied quite enough.."He who knows himself knows Allah" Is the key to the knowledge of existence of Supreme Being called Allah, God or Yahweh

    So if you "studied quite enough", then that means you have the answer to this question: What evidence do you have that rules out the theory that humans authored/originated the Quran?

    If you don't have an answer to this question, then WHY do you think you "studied quite enough"?
  • Help Me!
     Reply #340 - February 16, 2014, 04:02 PM
    S.A.M, Albert Einstein once said,"If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough."

    This applies to more than just research. 

    Based on your claims that you have studied enough, you should be able to explain it simply enough. I am curious. What do you use to back up your claims? Waiting to see how you answer Craig H.   
    "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Hence it is sometimes necessary to give the beholder a black eye of context and proportion."
  • Help Me!
     Reply #341 - February 16, 2014, 04:08 PM
    Quote from: RamiRustom on February 16, 2014, 03:59 PM
    So if you "studied quite enough", then that means you have the answer to this question: What evidence do you have that rules out the theory that humans authored/originated the Quran?

    If you don't have an answer to this question, then WHY do you think you "studied quite enough"?

    You want to know if the Quran (words of Allah) comes from the mouthpieces of Muhammad or Allah...
    Correct me If I am wrong/
    Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path). (al-Baqarah 2:18)
  • Help Me!
     Reply #342 - February 16, 2014, 04:15 PM
    Quote from: S.A.M
    You want to know if the Quran (words of Allah) comes from the mouthpieces of Muhammad or Allah...
    Correct me If I am wrong/

    Huh? I'm not talking about what I (Rami) claim to know. I'm talking about what you (S.A.M) claim to know.

    You said you know that the Quran was authored/originated by Allah. But you didn't explain how you know that.

    So I asked you what evidence you have that rules out the theory that humans authored/originated the Quran, and you didn't reply.

    Then you said that you've "studied quite enough", which would imply that you know the answer to the question above. So go ahead and answer the question: What evidence do you have that rules out the theory that humans authored/originated the Quran?

    Now, if you don't have an answer to this question, then that raises another question: Why do you think you "studied quite enough" when you can't even answer basic questions about your beliefs?
  • Help Me!
     Reply #343 - February 16, 2014, 04:55 PM
    Study is such a generic term. To echo Rami's post provide us not only with evidence but the resources you used and the method of research used. Otherwise we can easily dismiss your assertion, which what you comment amounts to, as unsubstantiated.
  • Help Me!
     Reply #344 - February 16, 2014, 05:08 PM
    S.A.M. Am I more intelligent than Allah because I know how I could've spread his word so much faster and more accurate than it did? I've got a Science degree and Teaching degree but surely that can't compare to the all knowing omnipotent,  Omniscient God. Can you answer the question regarding spreading it's word as well please that I've asked a couple of times.
  • Help Me!
     Reply #345 - February 16, 2014, 05:13 PM
    Quote from: Craig H on February 16, 2014, 03:58 PM
    I'm very willing to talk to Siunaa about any topic he likes. S.A.M. You say that Allah is the good, the bad and the ugly. Try to use a rational thought process and think about this:

    I could go out now and kill 100 children but tomorrow I could help a child across the road. By your logic I've been the good, the bad and the ugly but most people's logic using morality would decide that I'm just plain evil. Therefore Allah is just plain evil. You also didn't answer this from a while ago:

     I believe you misunderstanding what I writes.. "What makes you think Allah so evil... Is it because YOU THINK THAT Allah is "The Good, The Bad and The Ugly" three types of characters...

    Quote
    You stated that Allah wished to be known so that's why we have to constantly pray to him.

     It depends upon the individual religious indoctrination, but many do pray because they think Allah asked for it.  

    Quote
    However, if it wanted to be known, why did it go about it the worst, most inaccurate and slowest way possible? I can't think of a worse way of trying to get the population of earth to believe in me and I'm just a human, not an omnipotent omniscient all powerful god.

     I hopefully you're not wishful thinking to become like Supreme Being  grin12....  We cannot become Allah Himself as an omnipotent omniscient all powerful God etc because of physical issues, Allah No hungry, Not Poop, No drink and No food etc..

    I will soon answer other question, later.
    Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path). (al-Baqarah 2:18)
  • Help Me!
     Reply #346 - February 16, 2014, 05:33 PM
    Lol come on S.A.M . I never once intimated that I wanted to be Allah or anything like it but you regularly avoid the questions I've asked. Can you please just answer them honestly and if you don't know the answer just say "I don't know why Allah is ......, it doesn't make sense". I really don't think you're being honest with me or yourself judging by your responses to basic questions.
  • Help Me!
     Reply #347 - February 16, 2014, 05:34 PM
    Quote from: RamiRustom on February 16, 2014, 04:15 PM
    Huh? I'm not talking about what I (Rami) claim to know. I'm talking about what you (S.A.M) claim to know.

    You said you know that the Quran was authored/originated by Allah. But you didn't explain how you know that.

    So I asked you what evidence you have that rules out the theory that humans authored/originated the Quran, and you didn't reply.

    Then you said that you've "studied quite enough", which would imply that you know the answer to the question above. So go ahead and answer the question: What evidence do you have that rules out the theory that humans authored/originated the Quran?

    Now, if you don't have an answer to this question, then that raises another question: Why do you think you "studied quite enough" when you can't even answer basic questions about your beliefs?

    Please understand me.. you and other cannot 'force' me to immediately answers to your questions

    How do I know that Quran was originated comes from Allah or not...

    I need to follow like Muhammad's footsteps.. How did he received the divine revelations directly from Allah
    Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path). (al-Baqarah 2:18)
  • Help Me!
     Reply #348 - February 16, 2014, 06:05 PM
    For your info...All about creation of Universe, Embryology, Two rivers etc..

    Muhammad saw it with his own eyes and Allah explained to him.
    Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path). (al-Baqarah 2:18)
  • Help Me!
     Reply #349 - February 16, 2014, 06:08 PM
    So why did he lie?
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Help Me!
     Reply #350 - February 16, 2014, 06:53 PM
    Muhammad do not lie to withhold the truth..
    Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path). (al-Baqarah 2:18)
  • Help Me!
     Reply #351 - February 16, 2014, 07:08 PM
    If Mo saw the big bang, formation of the galaxies, the evolution of life and then said what he said in the quran/hadiths, he flat out lied.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Help Me!
     Reply #352 - February 17, 2014, 03:48 AM
    Sum Eris,

    Because you believe and trust scientists in general that science leaders are more accuracy of knowledge than any religion.

    The science is still controversial and unsettled.
    Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path). (al-Baqarah 2:18)
  • Help Me!
     Reply #353 - February 17, 2014, 04:02 AM
    Elaborate.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Help Me!
     Reply #354 - February 17, 2014, 04:07 AM
    You know what I'm talking about. So, don't act blur
    Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path). (al-Baqarah 2:18)
  • Help Me!
     Reply #355 - February 17, 2014, 04:09 AM
    No, I don't. If you say that the science is still controversial and unsettled then I want you to tell me what science you're talking about as you said I believe it and then detail why it's still controversial and unsettled.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Help Me!
     Reply #356 - February 17, 2014, 04:15 AM
    Quote from: S.A.M on February 17, 2014, 03:48 AM
    The science is still controversial and unsettled.

    Can you please show us what you think is the strongest piece of evidence that the earth existed before the rest of the universe?
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Help Me!
     Reply #357 - February 17, 2014, 04:16 AM
    According the vast majority of the scientific community regards Intelligent Design as psuedoscience or "junk science."

    To date, there has never been any evidence, agreed upon by the scientific community, to be proof of Intelligent Design.
    Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path). (al-Baqarah 2:18)
  • Help Me!
     Reply #358 - February 17, 2014, 04:22 AM
    What do you think is the strongest piece of evidence that the earth existed before the rest of the universe?
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Help Me!
     Reply #359 - February 17, 2014, 04:27 AM
    Quote from: Ishina on February 17, 2014, 04:15 AM
    Can you please show us what you think is the strongest piece of evidence that the earth existed before the rest of the universe?

    Human because there is no other alien exists on other planets.
    Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path). (al-Baqarah 2:18)
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