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  • Question: Imagine in the future we have medical technology that allows us to live forever. And say it's so far in the future that it only costs $1 per year. Say there is a 70 year old who is contemplating suicide. see my post below for context.
  • Don't suicide because family will be sad.
  • Suicide.

 Topic: Suicide or not?

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  • Suicide or not?
     OP - February 06, 2014, 01:43 AM
    Imagine in the future we have medical technology that allows us to live forever. And say it's so far in the future that it only costs $1 per year.

    Say there is a 70 year old who is contemplating suicide. His children are grown and independent, financially and otherwise.

    Should he not kill himself because his family would be sad? Or should he kill himself?

    [let's say he already spent the last 5 years discussing this with his family and his friends and himself and his psychologist.]
  • Suicide or not?
     Reply #1 - February 06, 2014, 01:48 AM
    Don't shoot me, but I think suicide should be someone's individual choice, but at the same time, it is honestly a selfish and cowardly move.
  • Suicide or not?
     Reply #2 - February 06, 2014, 01:49 AM
    EzraJT

    I'm not sure you read the context. Did you?
  • Suicide or not?
     Reply #3 - February 06, 2014, 01:49 AM
    O.o  
    Well it is his choice to live or not. So I vote for suicide

    Curiosity:
    Is that fictitious character you?
  • Suicide or not?
     Reply #4 - February 06, 2014, 01:50 AM
    INcePtion

    I'm not 70. And we don't live in the future (where there is medical tech for $1 a year to let us live forever).
  • Suicide or not?
     Reply #5 - February 06, 2014, 01:51 AM
    EzraJT

    please vote
  • Suicide or not?
     Reply #6 - February 06, 2014, 01:52 AM
    I did read it, and it doesn't matter the age or circumstance, suicide is typically devastating.  I would emotionally break down and ironically enough, want to die if my brother for example committed suicide, or my mom.

    It's a selfish and horrible thing.
  • Suicide or not?
     Reply #7 - February 06, 2014, 01:53 AM
    EzraJT

    So what if the guy was 700 years old and had 21 generations of decedents? Should he not kill himself so that his family doesn't get sad?
  • Suicide or not?
     Reply #8 - February 06, 2014, 01:55 AM
    Quote from: RamiRustom on February 06, 2014, 01:50 AM
    INcePtion

    I'm not 70. And we don't live in the future (where there is medical tech for $1 a year to let us live forever).

    This is why I said "fictitious". Why would someone ever want to ask something that it is not related to him/her?
    Of course you are not 70 but you did not want to ask it direcly so you made-up a chatacter and an unreal situation.
    (At least that is my opinion regarding your thread)
  • Suicide or not?
     Reply #9 - February 06, 2014, 01:57 AM
    Quote from: RamiRustom on February 06, 2014, 01:53 AM
    EzraJT

    So what if the guy was 700 years old and had 21 generations of decedents? Should he not kill himself so that his family doesn't get sad?

    How weird XD
  • Suicide or not?
     Reply #10 - February 06, 2014, 01:58 AM
    I have children that I'm raising AND I currently like my interests. Each of these reasons are enough to not suicide. Oh that and I don't have any pain.

    So not this is not a personal situation.

    Quote
    Why would someone ever want to ask something that it is not related to him/her?

    I have fun with hypothetical situations a lot. They help in clarifying issues.
  • Suicide or not?
     Reply #11 - February 06, 2014, 01:59 AM
    I don't get it, why would they be sad he's still alive?  Is he that much of an asshole XD?
  • Suicide or not?
     Reply #12 - February 06, 2014, 02:00 AM
    Quote from: RamiRustom on February 06, 2014, 01:58 AM
    I have children that I'm raising AND I currently like my interests. Each of these reasons are enough to not suicide. Oh that and I don't have any pain.

    So not this is not a personal situation.
    I have fun with hypothetical situations a lot. They help in clarifying issues.

    Alright. My guess was wrong.

     Roll Eyes
  • Suicide or not?
     Reply #13 - February 06, 2014, 02:00 AM
    EzraJT

    Huh?

    I'm talking about the decedents being said of 700 year old guy kills himself.
  • Suicide or not?
     Reply #14 - February 06, 2014, 02:04 AM
    I'm not following you....
  • Suicide or not?
     Reply #15 - February 06, 2014, 02:07 AM
    Me neither...
  • Suicide or not?
     Reply #16 - February 06, 2014, 02:13 AM
    You've said nothing about whatever situation has driven the man to contemplate suicide.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Suicide or not?
     Reply #17 - February 06, 2014, 10:20 AM
    I have no idea what his situation is. Someone in agonising pain 24/7 with no hope of recovery will have a different response from me than someone who's severely depressed but can recover and live a fulfilling life. More details needed.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Suicide or not?
     Reply #18 - February 06, 2014, 10:24 AM
    I am sorry I can't vote because I am confused whether to prioritise the family or the man. I have been there and I still can't decide.
  • Suicide or not?
     Reply #19 - February 06, 2014, 11:31 AM
    EzraJT and Inception.

    I'm not sure what you're confused about.

    The first hypothetical was about a 70 year old guy (with no commitments like raising young children), and who wants to kill himself.

    The second hypothetical is about a 700 year old guy (again with no commitments like raising young children), and who wants to kill himself.

    Both hypotheticals are in the future where medial tech lets people live forever and which only costs $1 per year.

    Both hypotheticals include the guy talking to his family and friends and psychologists for 5 years before coming to this decision point.

    What should he do? Suicide or not?

    Lots of people said no suicide for the 70 year old. But, whatever reasoning they had for that decision, should work for the 700 year old too. Do you agree? Or do you think the reasoning would be different?

    If you're still not sure what I mean. Maybe introducing another hypothetical will help. Let's say there is a 7,000 year old guy with 200 generations of descendants. Should this guy not kill himself because his family will be sad?
  • Suicide or not?
     Reply #20 - February 06, 2014, 11:33 AM
    Quote from: Ishina on February 06, 2014, 02:13 AM
    You've said nothing about whatever situation has driven the man to contemplate suicide.

    Why does it matter?

    If you were 70,000 years old, with 2,000 generations of descendants, and if you wanted to commit suicide, are you thinking that it's weird to want to die? Maybe he's just bored of life. Maybe he did literally everything and is bored of all of it.
  • Suicide or not?
     Reply #21 - February 06, 2014, 12:25 PM
    Quote from: RamiRustom on February 06, 2014, 11:33 AM
    Why does it matter?

    Because I'd like to know more about an individual than his age before I say whether he should live or die. And because depending on the situation it might be resolved with less final and devastating means than his death.

    Quote from: RamiRustom on February 06, 2014, 11:33 AM
    If you were 70,000 years old, with 2,000 generations of descendants, and if you wanted to commit suicide, are you thinking that it's weird to want to die? Maybe he's just bored of life. Maybe he did literally everything and is bored of all of it.

    I'm talking about the 70 year old. And it's not an answer I'd base on time alone, so increasing the person's age doesn't change the dilemma or make it easier to answer. It would be based on the quality of life of the person, whether it is reasonable to trust their judgement and so on, on a case by case basis. Those who take their own life almost always without exception are affected by some seemingly insurmountable crisis or horrible state of existence, and often the nature of that state means their judgement is impaired. Often there are better solutions than death.

    My question to you is: When is it true that a person is better off dead?
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Suicide or not?
     Reply #22 - February 06, 2014, 02:19 PM
    Quote from: RamiRustom on February 06, 2014, 11:31 AM
    EzraJT and Inception.

    I'm not sure what you're confused about.

    The first hypothetical was about a 70 year old guy (with no commitments like raising young children), and who wants to kill himself.

    The second hypothetical is about a 700 year old guy (again with no commitments like raising young children), and who wants to kill himself.

    Both hypotheticals are in the future where medial tech lets people live forever and which only costs $1 per year.

    Both hypotheticals include the guy talking to his family and friends and psychologists for 5 years before coming to this decision point.

    What should he do? Suicide or not?

    Lots of people said no suicide for the 70 year old. But, whatever reasoning they had for that decision, should work for the 700 year old too. Do you agree? Or do you think the reasoning would be different?

    If you're still not sure what I mean. Maybe introducing another hypothetical will help. Let's say there is a 7,000 year old guy with 200 generations of descendants. Should this guy not kill himself because his family will be sad?

    I would commit sucide at that age o.o
    Who the hell wants to live  so much?
    And what does it matter how old he is,the situation is still the same.
    If I had a friend, who decided to commit suicide, I would do everything to change her ideas.
    I would do my best to help her, but if her decision does not change, then no matter how hard it will be to accept the reality, I will let her make her own choice.




  • Suicide or not?
     Reply #23 - February 06, 2014, 03:12 PM
    Quote
    Quote from: RamiRustom on February 06, 2014, 01:43 AM
    Imagine in the future we have medical technology that allows us to live forever. And say it's so far in the future that it only costs $1 per year.

    Say there is a 70 year old who is contemplating suicide. .......

    Quote from: RamiRustom on February 06, 2014, 11:33 AM

    If you were 70,000 years old, with 2,000 generations of descendants, ..............

    Quote from: RamiRustom on February 06, 2014, 11:31 AM
    EzraJT and Inception.

    .................

    The second hypothetical is about a 700 year old guy (again with no commitments like raising young children), and who wants to kill himself.
     
    If you're still not sure what I mean. Maybe introducing another hypothetical will help. Let's say there is a 7,000 year old guy with 200 generations of descendants. Should this guy not kill himself because his family will be sad?


    Rami you are too smart and you open threads with weird philosophical sophistry.

     Well,,  70, 700, 7000, 70,000 whatever,   let us put that guy to work and let us tell him to finish  the DAMN work before he dies.. Dammit even if he dies I am sure we will have technology to clone him or bring back to life and PUT THE RASCAL TO WORK.. there is plenty of work to do..
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Suicide or not?
     Reply #24 - February 06, 2014, 11:21 PM
    I'd prefer to live forever honestly.
  • Suicide or not?
     Reply #25 - February 06, 2014, 11:57 PM
    What if you kept aging?
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Suicide or not?
     Reply #26 - February 06, 2014, 11:58 PM
    Well that would be impossible if one was living forever.  I'd like to stop aging at 30 Tongue
  • Suicide or not?
     Reply #27 - February 07, 2014, 12:00 AM
    I'm remembering the Greek story about the man who wished for eternal live, had it granted but forgot to wish for eternal youth to go with it.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Suicide or not?
     Reply #28 - February 07, 2014, 12:15 AM
    Well I guess to be serious if I lived forever, I'd see everyone I care about die, and I'd probably not like it in the end.
  • Suicide or not?
     Reply #29 - February 07, 2014, 03:42 AM
    People will never have to deal with this ethical dilemma because the state will solve such an issue by killing him for him when he reaches the retirement age.  grin12
    Quote from: yeezevee on February 11, 2016, 02:05 PM
    how fuck works without shit??


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