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  • Who is Allah?
     OP - February 11, 2014, 01:32 AM

    I want to write an essay about who Allah is.

    One thing I want to talk about is his personality traits, for example, he gets angry, he likes vengeance, stuff like that.

    And I want to explain that since it's possible for humans to fix their anger, then that means that a (almost) perfect human would not get angry. And my point is that Allah is claimed to be perfect, which is a contradiction because perfection implies having no flaws, and getting angry is a fucking flaw.

    Anger is flaw. Wanting vengeance is a flaw.

    To start of discussion, I've quoted a fb discussion I had last year about this (although we were talking about the christian god).

    Quote from: On facebook someone said:

    "The Lord is compassionate and gracious, slow to anger, abounding in love. He will not always accuse, nor will he harbor his anger forever; he does not treat us as our sins deserve or repay us according to our iniquities. For as high as the heavens are above the Earth, so great is his love for those who fear him; as far as the east is from the west, so far has he removed our transgressions from us." Psalm 103:8-12


    Quote from: Rami
    Why would God have emotions like anger? God is supposed to be omniscient, which implies perfect knowledge, e.g. knowledge of how not to get angry. Anger is counter-productive. It causes one to think less rationally. Therefore getting angry is stupid -- getting angry is immoral.

    http://ramirustom.blogspot.com/2012/10/abuse-and-anger.html


    Quote from: him
    Anger is a justified response at times. Anger motivates rational people to stand up against coercive force applied unjustly, for example. Anger uncontrolled may be immoral, but the emotion of anger is not immoral any more than any emotion is immoral. Actions can be immoral, but emotions cannot, in my reckoning. The passage is about how despite the fact that people have done wicked things (like the common ancient practice of burning one's own children alive in order to appease evil "gods", and also as a form of population control during times of famine or material stress), which justly aroused anger in a just God, God did not harbor anger forever, because his love for mankind was greater than those evils. It is pointing out that although he was justly angered by wickedness, it is not his wish to punish us, but to help us emerge from those practices. Happily, the practice of ritual human sacrifice is also now nearly completely eradicated from the whole world too, so kudos to this God who abhors it and helped eradicate it.


    Quote from: Rami
    But anger causes one to think less rationally, which implies that getting angry causes one to decrease his chances of solving the problem (that the person was angry over). So getting angry is counter-productive. So it only has a down side -- no upsides. But you've said that there is an upside, which is that "anger motivates rational people to stand up against coercive force applied unjustly", but that is nonsense since one can be motivated to stand up against coercion without anger, e.g. because of one's values. For example, if a kid hits his sibling, the parent, instead of getting angry, should do the following:

    https://groups.google.com/d/msg/taking-children-seriously/EvHLlhZQBOE/ZQ6m2mN7HeoJ


    Quote from: him
    I do not think rational choices need to be divorced of emotion. I still maintain anger can motivate people toward good actions. Anger need not make one less rational. It can draw one's attention to details that one might otherwise miss. Emotions can be harnessed for rational purposes. Emotions evolved along with our capacity for pure reason, and embody very useful theories in fact, just like vision, and all other aspects of the human mind.


    Quote from: Rami
    If, in a specific situation, anger didn't cause one to think less rationally, then anger, at best, is superfluous, since one's motivation toward good action was already based on his values, e.g. that coercion is immoral and that a parent is responsible for the protection of his children against coercion. But in another type of situation where anger did cause one to think less rationally, then anger was counter-productive and caused one to fail to solve a problem. So, at best, anger is superfluous, and at worst, its counter-productive -- i.e. no upsides, only downsides. But more importantly, how can one know beforehand that his bout of anger will not lead to thinking less rationally? He can't know this, which means that he runs the risk each time of failing to solve a problem. So, the best option, the moral choice, is to solve the problem of getting angry, i.e. to change one's emotional habit of anger.

    You mentioned another possible upside which is that "[Anger] can draw one's attention to details that one might otherwise miss". I don't understand this. How is this possible? If the person interpreted that something bad happened, and he didn't experience anger, he still interpreted that something bad happened, which is sufficient knowledge to act on. Your idea implies that the emotion caused the interpretation, but that is false -- the interpretation happens first, then its possible for an emotion to occur.

    Thoughts?
  • Who is Allah?
     Reply #1 - February 11, 2014, 02:13 AM

    Feeling anger can trigger adrenaline. I have had moments of incredible resolve and even physical strength while angry. It is a motivator.
    That said, I still do not like being angry.

    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • Who is Allah?
     Reply #2 - February 11, 2014, 02:37 AM

    Quote from: three
    Feeling anger can trigger adrenaline. I have had moments of incredible resolve and even physical strength while angry. It is a motivator.
    That said, I still do not like being angry.

    One can also trigger adrenaline WITHOUT anger. Football players and weight-lifters/body-builders do it all the time. So anger is not necessary as a motivator.
  • Who is Allah?
     Reply #3 - February 11, 2014, 03:58 AM

    Who is Allah?...WOMAN. grin12

    Jalaluddin Rumi writes:"Woman is the radiance of God; she is not your beloved. She is the Creator—you could say that she is not created."

    Virgin Mary, Hajar Al-Aswad, Eve, Fatima, Khadijah, Saint Adawiyya, Aisha  etc. And of course our beloved mother too Muslimah Nun

    Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path). (al-Baqarah 2:18)
  • Who is Allah?
     Reply #4 - March 05, 2014, 09:11 AM

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsrfovOPcjk

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Who is Allah?
     Reply #5 - March 05, 2014, 09:30 AM

    Allah is arrogant and pompous.. Cheesy

    That's the reason He made the line (terms and conditions) to know Him exist.

    Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path). (al-Baqarah 2:18)
  • Who is Allah?
     Reply #6 - March 05, 2014, 09:54 AM

    Quote

    S.A.M your god is dying and your faith is dying., it is a very confused time for you....

    replace all that with love, compassion ,,  empathy, suppress your anger  with wit & jokes.. And,,  and replace your scripture, selective verses whatever with the GOLDEN RULE.



    and go for fishing.. take children to park....

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Who is Allah?
     Reply #7 - March 05, 2014, 11:54 AM

    One can also trigger adrenaline WITHOUT anger. Football players and weight-lifters/body-builders do it all the time. So anger is not necessary as a motivator.


    Should be noted though that NFL players, weight lifters, powerlifters and body builders are often slapping themselves in the face very hard and yelling as hard as they can to get angry before the performance to get adrenaline.

    I ask many stupid questions frequently.
    I am curious, that's why I ask many questions.
    I am overly curious, that's why I ask stupid questions.
    I lack patience, that's why I ask frequently.
    So forgive me and answer me Smiley
  • Who is Allah?
     Reply #8 - March 05, 2014, 12:20 PM

    Allah seems like the eternal child. Always wanting acknowledgement for it's actions. It needs to be constantly reminded by acts of worship. God is quick to blame everyone else for mistakes especially man. If there is a flaw within a design, humans, the flaw is the responsibility of the designer not the designed.
  • Who is Allah?
     Reply #9 - March 05, 2014, 12:35 PM

    Now listen up son, that's logic right there, and logic is forbidden in these here parts.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Who is Allah?
     Reply #10 - March 05, 2014, 01:06 PM

    Allah seems like the eternal child. Always wanting acknowledgement for it's actions. ..............

    No..No.. No bogart no..

    that is NOT the behavior of eternal child, that is behavior of angry child. Allah behavior from Islamic scriptures  highlights allah being an   angry child that throws tantrums and always trying to seek the attention of adult Muslims.  And  and when allah is happy then   he doesn't care about anything and any body but may be   puts his fingers and eats buggers  or goes to sleep..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Who is Allah?
     Reply #11 - March 05, 2014, 01:50 PM

    Allah is a psychopath, socio path, schizophrenic, maniac, aggressive, lunatic, madman, racist, pervert, misogynistic, homophobic womenphobic, kafirphobic, animalphobic etc..
  • Who is Allah?
     Reply #12 - March 05, 2014, 01:52 PM

    INcePtion, shh! That's truth you're saying. Didn't you see my post to bogart?

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Who is Allah?
     Reply #13 - March 05, 2014, 01:57 PM

    Now listen up son, that's logic right there, and logic is forbidden in these here parts.


    You are right  Cheesy

    Quote
    PROFESSOR OF LOGIC

    A guy sees his new neighbor out in his backyard, so he decides to get acquainted. After introductions, he asks the new neighbor what he does for a living.
    The new neighbor says, "I'm a professor." The first neigbhbor then asks, "Oh yeah, what do you teach?"
    "Logic," the professor reponds.
    "What is that?" the neighbor inquires.
    "Well, let me see if I can give you an example...you have a dog, right?"
    "Yeah, that's right," neighbor #1 responds.
    "And you have children too, right?" says the professor.
    "Wow, right again!" exclaims the neighbor.
    "So, then you must be married and that would make you a heterosexual, right?'' proclaims the professor.
    "Unbelievable, you're absolutely correct. How do you know all this about me?"
    "Well," the professor says, "I observed there was a dog house in your backyard, so you must have a dog. I also saw bicycles next to your garage, so you must have children. And if you have children, you are probably married and if your married, you are most likely heterosexual... it was all logical!"
    The next afternoon, the neighbor runs into his old friend. His friend asks if he has met the new neighbor. The man says that he met him yesterday.
    "What's he like?"
    "Well," the man says, "he's nice and he is a professor of logic."
    "Oh," says the friend, "what's logic?"
    "Maybe I can give you an example. Do you have a dog house?"
    "Why, no, I do not," responds the friend.
    "Well, then," proclaims the man, "you must be gay!"

  • Who is Allah?
     Reply #14 - March 05, 2014, 01:58 PM

     Cheesy

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Who is Allah?
     Reply #15 - March 05, 2014, 04:09 PM

    Allah is a psychopath, socio path, schizophrenic, maniac, aggressive, lunatic, madman, racist, pervert, misogynistic, homophobic womenphobic, kafirphobic, animalphobic etc..

      BUT HE LOVES YOU ..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPOfurmrjxo

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Who is Allah?
     Reply #16 - March 05, 2014, 04:19 PM

    Allah is a sinister little creature that speaks in third person like a fucking schizo. It is a bitter and spiteful little thing that has greedy and short-sighted goals and petty material concerns. And wants attention so desperately that it is pitiable.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Who is Allah?
     Reply #17 - March 05, 2014, 06:58 PM

    This is Allah
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REbdty2zsDI

    Me: Hey Allah!
    Allah: KAFIR!
  • Who is Allah?
     Reply #18 - March 05, 2014, 07:55 PM

    Allah is a sinister little creature that speaks in third person like a fucking schizo. It is a bitter and spiteful little thing that has greedy and short-sighted goals and petty material concerns. And wants attention so desperately that it is pitiable.

    Mohammed created Allah in his own image.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Who is Allah?
     Reply #19 - March 05, 2014, 08:31 PM

    An exceptionally sadistic, unreasonable, petty, vindictive, and vain character. He is so reprehensible, he makes Joffrey Baratheon look like a saint.

    Have you heard the good news? There is no God!
  • Who is Allah?
     Reply #20 - March 05, 2014, 09:02 PM

    Mohammed created Allah in his own image.

    ^yup   God created mankind in his own image, therefore mankind created God. Is that difficult to come to that conclusion? Shocked
  • Who is Allah?
     Reply #21 - March 05, 2014, 09:03 PM

    Allah is just like us humans. eat, drink, have sex, drunk, driving a car, defecating and so on.

    And you all still looking for where God is. While God just front of your own eyes.... grin12

    Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path). (al-Baqarah 2:18)
  • Who is Allah?
     Reply #22 - March 05, 2014, 09:05 PM

    I take offence to that. The god of the old testament and the quran is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction. Jealous and proud of it, a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak. A vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser. A misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.

    Comparing me to allah is an insult.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Who is Allah?
     Reply #23 - March 05, 2014, 09:10 PM

    Sum Eris..

    Of course you're despicable yourself.. grin12

    Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path). (al-Baqarah 2:18)
  • Who is Allah?
     Reply #24 - March 05, 2014, 09:16 PM

    Sigh.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Who is Allah?
     Reply #25 - March 05, 2014, 09:17 PM

    http://www.weirdhat.com/gibberish.php parrot

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Who is Allah?
     Reply #26 - March 05, 2014, 10:06 PM

    Do you want how alllah is viewed in the eyes of muslims or open eyes?
  • Who is Allah?
     Reply #27 - March 05, 2014, 10:44 PM

    I take offence to that. The god of the old testament and the quran is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction. Jealous and proud of it, a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak. A vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser. A misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.


    Yeah but apart from that he's alright.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Who is Allah?
     Reply #28 - March 06, 2014, 12:57 AM

    Mohammed created Allah in his own image.


    No. Allah is everything Muhammad wanted to be.
  • Who is Allah?
     Reply #29 - March 07, 2014, 04:05 AM

    Yeah but apart from that he's alright.

    Yeah, it bothers me how ex-Muslims always look at Allah's negative qualities instead of the positive ones. Here is a list of all of Allah's good traits I could think of off the top of my head:

    1)
    2)
    3)
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