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  • Atheism: The faith of intellectuals?
     Reply #90 - February 18, 2014, 12:06 AM

    Calling atheism a religion is like taping your mobile phone to the side of your head and calling it a 'hands free device'.

    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • Atheism: The faith of intellectuals?
     Reply #91 - February 18, 2014, 12:08 AM

    Yo, Yatzi, Yazidi, whatever your name is supposed to be, you asked me for a source on the atheist mega churches being formed, and I gave you one, one that's actually critical of them from another atheist (I'm an atheist who doesn't like them either, but then again, I'm not religious).  Do you need some more:

    Cool down EzraJT cool down ET., you can call me anything you want  Yo, yoyo  ..Yatzi ..  Yazidi...

    did you know that Yazidi... is a kurdish sect of Islam an off shoot from Iran?

    well your first link on that mega church by that lady is about Comedians man..  British comedians.   I am not sure why people worried about that.  And 2nd one is wiki link.,  neither of them are good enough to accuse Atheists having mega churches


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    Ok. I will read those two links also.,   but you go back and read the first links you gave on that Mega churches of Atheists  ET.    take it easy don..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Atheism: The faith of intellectuals?
     Reply #92 - February 18, 2014, 12:48 AM

    I am very sorry Yeezevee. The Yazidi are not Muslim, nor an offshoot of Iran, though they share a common Persian root.
    They are offshoots of Zartosht, the Zoroastrians, predating our main three monotheistic faiths.

    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • Atheism: The faith of intellectuals?
     Reply #93 - February 18, 2014, 12:49 AM

    Calling atheism a religion is like taping your mobile phone to the side of your head and calling it a 'hands free device'.


    I like this one the best so far. I get a good visual off of it.

    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • Atheism: The faith of intellectuals?
     Reply #94 - February 18, 2014, 01:06 AM

    Calling atheism a religion is like calling dead people 'work shy'.




    What's an EAL student?

    It's not contradictory.  You're acting like some autistic person, thinking in such a binary fashion that you can't even understand a statement.  "Yes and no" is a common phrase that denotes that the answer is not black or white, and I'm at a loss that you couldn't understand that?

    Also, how is the English language racist?  Lmao, you just pulled that out of nowhere....

    I would, especially when said person explains their answer in detail in the very same sentence.



    This is not the first time ET has complained about the English of our English-posting members.
    He might not be accustomed to thinking of English as a fluid and adaptable language, spoken differently in different places.
    Often we Americans are not exposed to proper English, either. It can be confusing for many of us.
    Probably he will just have to get used to communicating in English.

    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • Atheism: The faith of intellectuals?
     Reply #95 - February 18, 2014, 01:39 AM

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    This is not the first time ET has complained about the English of our English-posting members.
    He might not be accustomed to thinking of English as a fluid and adaptable language, spoken differently in different places.
    Often we Americans are not exposed to proper English, either. It can be confusing for many of us.
    Probably he will just have to get used to communicating in English.


    Actually, I'm just used to speaking and communicating with others who speak English properly, and I live in a community full of hispanic immigrants who speak it as their second language.  It seems at least on at least two occasions I actually was correct about someone's lack of English skills, which was the source of confusion. 

    If people can't even communicate in English correctly, and then troll about it afterwards, I can't help it Tongue 

    By the way, if you're trying to refer to me as an extra-terrestrial, then um..that's kind of awesome Tongue

    XD

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    Cool down EzraJT cool down ET., you can call me anything you want  Yo, yoyo  ..Yatzi ..  Yazidi...


    Why not just Y? Tongue

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    did you know that Yazidi... is a kurdish sect of Islam an off shoot from Iran?


    They're also Satan worshipers in the stories of HP Lovercraft, which seems to be based on the Islamic conception of them.

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    well your first link on that mega church by that lady is about Comedians man..  British comedians.   I am not sure why people worried about that.  And 2nd one is wiki link.,  neither of them are good enough to accuse Atheists having mega churches

    Ok. I will read those two links also.,   but you go back and read the first links you gave on that Mega churches of Atheists  ET.    take it easy don..


    You're not reading the links, which seems to be a big issue here.

    "A so-called godless church wants to establish more US congregations. These 'places of worship' come across as a joke"

    "Determined to show that those who believe in nothing are just as good as those who believe in something, the faithless are establishing a church of their own, and a mega-church at that. On the surface it seems like a rather brilliant idea. What's not to like about beating the faithful at their own game? Apart from the one small caveat that establishing a place of worship for the faithless, even a godless one, rather negates what atheism is supposed to be all about.

    The godless church concept is the brainchild of Pippa Evans and Sanderson Jones, two British comedians, who identified a gap in the faith market that so far non-believers are flocking to fill. The first Sunday Assembly (as the gatherings are being called) took place in a dilapidated church in London on a cold morning this past January. It went down a treat, apparently, and the movement has gained enough momentum in Britain that the comic duo have since embarked on a "40 dates, 40 nights" tour of the United States raising money to build US congregations so godless Americans can become churchgoers too."

    "This past Sunday, the groups' inaugural assembly in Los Angeles attracted some 400 people. Similar gatherings across the states have also drawn big crowds, bursting to do all the good stuff religious people do, just without the God stuff. As one of those non-believing types – the kind who'd be inclined to tick off the "spiritual but not religious" checkbox on a dating profile – I should fall right into the Sunday Assembly movement's target demographic. If only the central idea of dragging atheists into a church so they can prove they are just as worthy as traditional churchgoers didn't strike me as a bit of joke."

    "I would have thought the message of atheism (if there needs to be one) is that churches and ritualized worship (whatever the focus of that worship might be) are best left to the people who feel the need to have a God figure in their lives. I say this as someone who has done plenty of Elizabeth Gilbert ("Eat, Pray, Love") style dabbling in various philosophies to find life's bigger meaning, albeit on a lower budget and so far with less satisfying results – no mega movie deals or hot Brazilian husbands have materialized to date, but the journey continues."

    "That is why I have a fundamental problem with the so called atheist mega-church movement that Jones and Evans are spearheading. While they have every right to form congregations and get together with like-minded people and to share hugs and plan good deeds, they don't have the right to co-opt atheism for their cause. I'm sure the Sunday Assemblies have the potential to benefit many people and will fill a void for anyone who likes the idea of being part of a community. But if faithlessness ends up becoming a quasi-religion with its very own church, where are the true atheists – the ones who don't feel the need to join a congregation or to sing and hold hands to show the world we're good and worthy – supposed to call home?"

    The wikipedia link was to someone who asked what "New Atheism" is.  You're not able to understand what others are saying.

    Again, maybe it's an English barrier.

    It should be noted a lot of atheists (and agnostics, etc.) already do this by attending Unitarian Universalist churches.

    I don't have a problem with this at all.  I'm actually happy these religious atheists are finally coming out religious, but it's not for me.  If I did feel a need for religion, I'd attend a Unitarian church.

    You really need to read what is provided to you before you answer.  You need to have a longer attention span.
  • Atheism: The faith of intellectuals?
     Reply #96 - February 18, 2014, 06:24 PM

    Atheism is a religion like Etch-A-Sketch is a form of art.

    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • Atheism: The faith of intellectuals?
     Reply #97 - February 18, 2014, 06:32 PM

    Cool down EzraJT cool down ET., you can call me anything you want  Yo, yoyo  ..Yatzi ..  Yazidi...

    did you know that Yazidi... is a kurdish sect of Islam an off shoot from Iran?

    well your first link on that mega church by that lady is about Comedians man..  British comedians.   I am not sure why people worried about that.  And 2nd one is wiki link.,  neither of them are good enough to accuse Atheists having mega churches

    Ok. I will read those two links also.,   but you go back and read the first links you gave on that Mega churches of Atheists  ET.    take it easy don..


    Yazidism isn't a sect of Islam. I've read their Êzdîname (religious book/homage/poem) and I'm a Kurd (that doesn't make me an authority on the subject).

    Êzdîname is quite beautiful (or as Hamza would put it: 'Aesthetically beautiful') and mostly takes the form of a long-ass poem, it doesn't claim divinity, rather it's simply a commentary on the religion. The two 'divine books' are the Book of Revelations and The Black Book. They were both forgeries written by non-Yazidis around 100 years ago though.
  • Atheism: The faith of intellectuals?
     Reply #98 - February 18, 2014, 06:39 PM

    Yazidism isn't a sect of Islam. I've read their Êzdîname (religious book/homage/poem) and I'm a Kurd (that doesn't make me an authority on the subject).

    Êzdîname is quite beautiful (or as Hamza would put it: 'Aesthetically beautiful') and mostly takes the form of a long-ass poem, it doesn't claim divinity, rather it's simply a commentary on the religion. The two 'divine books' are the Book of Revelations and The Black Book. They were both forgeries written by non-Yazidis around 100 years ago though.

    greetings Amoku ., you and three both are right there.,  And if could give some links on the scriptures/stories of those wonderful monotheistic Kurdish folks that are FAR AWAY FROM ISLAM and other Abraahmic scriptures I would love to read.. thank again for both of you  

    with best wishes
    yeezevee

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Atheism: The faith of intellectuals?
     Reply #99 - February 18, 2014, 08:51 PM

    Atheism is not a religion. It is an "ideology" which asserts that there is no God. Atheist are not interested if there are people who believe that God exists.

    वासुदैव कुटुम्बकम्
    Entire World is One Family
    سارا سنسار ايک پريوار ہے
  • Atheism: The faith of intellectuals?
     Reply #100 - February 18, 2014, 08:52 PM

    Atheism is not a religion. It is an "ideology" which asserts that there is no God.

    A common misconception.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Atheism: The faith of intellectuals?
     Reply #101 - February 18, 2014, 08:54 PM

    Marxism is an ideology.

    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • Atheism: The faith of intellectuals?
     Reply #102 - February 18, 2014, 09:12 PM

    All frameworks of ideas are ideologies actually.  The reality is ideology is unavoidable, and it isn't a problem in any case.  All societies, including our own, are led by ideology.  Most atheists have an ideology, namely secular humanism.  Dogma is a problem though.

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    Atheism is not a religion. It is an "ideology" which asserts that there is no God. Atheist are not interested if there are people who believe that God exists.


    Atheism is a stance like theism, it's not an ideology.  Most atheists subscribe to an ideology, like most people.  But "atheism" is not one. 
  • Atheism: The faith of intellectuals?
     Reply #103 - February 18, 2014, 09:14 PM

    Atheism is the default position,
  • Atheism: The faith of intellectuals?
     Reply #104 - February 18, 2014, 09:22 PM

    I've kinda resigned to the fact that there are so many people who will presumptuously extrapolate an entire ideology from the position of mere lack of belief in gods. It used to annoy me, but it happens so often that I'm more desensitised to it and more inclined to ignore it for the most part. It's like meh, not this shit again. Trying to correct the meme every time it pops up is like playing a never ending game of Whack-a-Mole. 

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Atheism: The faith of intellectuals?
     Reply #105 - February 18, 2014, 09:26 PM

    Atheism is the default position,


    And then as soon as you pop out of the vagina daddy (or the next male in the penis hierarchy) gets you and whispers the shahadah in your right ear and hey presto! - They've determined your social/political/scientific/spiritual views on the spot.

    *NO THINKING REQUIRED.

    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • Atheism: The faith of intellectuals?
     Reply #106 - February 18, 2014, 09:53 PM

    “All children are atheists - they have no idea of God.”

    - Good Sense, 1772
  • Atheism: The faith of intellectuals?
     Reply #107 - February 18, 2014, 10:06 PM

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    “All children are atheists - they have no idea of God.”

    - Good Sense, 1772


    I agree. But why do I still have a problem with labelling a child atheist?

    Does anyone else shre my discomfort?

    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • Atheism: The faith of intellectuals?
     Reply #108 - February 18, 2014, 10:22 PM

    I do as well.  I actually will just let my kids find their own religion, if any.  I will let them know what I think on religion, however.
  • Atheism: The faith of intellectuals?
     Reply #109 - February 18, 2014, 10:30 PM

    If a kid has atheistic views I have no problem categorizing him/her as such. I think the discomfort comes from the idea that we're in predominantly theist dominated societies, where the assumed position is one of a particular theism. We're so used to the idea that atheists grow out of such an aforementioned theism that the thought of atheism without any reflection or introspection required, seems almost bizzare, but its certainly a possibility and likely going to increase as a phenomenon.

    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • Atheism: The faith of intellectuals?
     Reply #110 - February 18, 2014, 10:32 PM

    But 'ATHEISM' sounds like you are imposing your views on them?

    But it is not.

    Let's not delude ourselves that we will not impose any form of values on a child. We will. We always do. As soon as the child is popped out it is subject to ideological apparatus.

    In fact...yeah.

    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • Atheism: The faith of intellectuals?
     Reply #111 - February 18, 2014, 10:36 PM

    Agreed, Jedi.  It's unavoidable.  The best parents can do is instill critical thinking and a sense of right and wrong in the kid, if you ask me.
  • Atheism: The faith of intellectuals?
     Reply #112 - February 18, 2014, 10:39 PM

    There was something I read that said that children are born wired to do somethings. Damn it if only I knew what the article was...it's online.

    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • Atheism: The faith of intellectuals?
     Reply #113 - February 19, 2014, 12:08 AM

    Would love to read it.
  • Atheism: The faith of intellectuals?
     Reply #114 - February 19, 2014, 02:33 AM

    I actually don't think of myself as an atheist. It's not that I don't realise that practically it's true, it's just not something I feel is a defining part of me. It's a minuscule aspect of myself.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Atheism: The faith of intellectuals?
     Reply #115 - February 19, 2014, 02:39 AM

    I actually don't think of myself as an atheist. It's not that I don't realise that practically it's true, it's just not something I feel is a defining part of me. It's a minuscule aspect of myself.


    That's probably because religion is a miniscule aspect of your environment. In places where religion is far more out in the open and and influential part of society, its hard for atheists not to personally define themselves as such.

    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • Atheism: The faith of intellectuals?
     Reply #116 - February 19, 2014, 02:40 AM

    Yup. Going to the US was an experience.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Atheism: The faith of intellectuals?
     Reply #117 - February 19, 2014, 02:44 AM

    Yup. Going to the US was an experience.


    Whereabouts you visit?

    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • Atheism: The faith of intellectuals?
     Reply #118 - February 19, 2014, 02:50 AM

    Atheism is a religion like Etch-A-Sketch is a form of art.


    This one I have to disagree with. I think Etch A Sketch is a form of art. It is like those drawings the monks do on the ground, with sand.
    Just not as pretty.
    Either way, they are both impermanent.

    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • Atheism: The faith of intellectuals?
     Reply #119 - February 19, 2014, 04:12 AM

    greetings Amoku ., you and three both are right there.,  And if could give some links on the scriptures/stories of those wonderful monotheistic Kurdish folks that are FAR AWAY FROM ISLAM and other Abraahmic scriptures I would love to read.. thank again for both of you  

    with best wishes
    yeezevee


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoroastrianism

    It is not so different from the Abrahamic scriptures. Some key concepts are the same, like awaiting a messiah.

    Don't let Hitler have the street.
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