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  • My story till today (ye It's a long one)
     OP - March 15, 2014, 03:49 PM

    Hi guys

    I realise I have been posting a lot of random posts since I joined CEMB, writing proves very therapeutic for me and I am sure as most of you probably know there really isn't anyone we can speak to about this sort of problem.

    So I am a twenty six year old female who is recently divorced (about five months back) from a seven year marriage in a very conservative Pakistani muslim family,even though my ex husband was more of a passive, traditional muslim.

    As I sit and think about religion, God and all my fears and doubts, I realise that even though I went through spiritual highs and lows, I never truly believed in the fundamental teachings of Islam, I never accepted the part of religion that enforces how FEARED god should be.  In my mind God had to be Merciful, there were no buts, ifs and maybes. God had to be the MOST merciful and nothing else.

    I remember as a teen I use to pray when I felt like, fasted religiously in ramadhaan, also usually become more devout in ramdhaan, and go trough the general  roller-coaster of spirituality.

    My mum was and still is a fierce believer in Islam, so are most of my brothers (I am an only girl), my mum thrives on the fear islam indoctrinates on it's believers, and she thought us religion this way. I always hated it. Somehow in my seven years away from her I learnt to develop a love and attachment to the religion. I attended many courses, maybe some of you are familiar with the al Kauther institution, I started reading the Quran in English with Tafseer (Never read it cover to cover tho). At first when I read the Quran as words of God I found it beautiful, I found the way God told stories of the past touching, I totally understand how people feel a connection as they think God is talking to them in the Quraan and if you do read it from that perspective part of the Quraan can be beautiful while other parts can be shockingly horrifying. What I fail to understand is why don't the muslims question the extent of this horror portrayed in the Quraan.

    Anyway back on track, I developed a love and bond for my religion, I wore a scarf but I didn't wear 'proper' hijaab, I was fine with this. My Brother became a modernist salafi (still is) and gives more liberal 'fatwas' so I was comfortable following in his suite. And I felt like God was listening to me and answering my prayers ( Although if im honest quite a few times I just felt lost and alone). I felt more lost and lonely in the last year of my marriage. My husband had completely tuned me out of his life and I was really just alone, and I felt it, realistically. So as all 'good' muslims would do I turned to Allah, and i cried and I prayed and I cried. And well nothing happened, the people in my life all let me down with their 'advice', I was told to search for answers in the Quraan, which I did. And the more I looked the more I felt compelled to stay in my marriage and try and make things work due to Quranic verses saying divorce is a last resort and so on (I can't exactly remember the exacts verses that made me feel compelled).

    And so feeling so alone and lost I met someone oneline, started of as a casual friendship, someone I could talk my mind and heart out to without them actually knowing who I am or judging me (Much like what we do on this forum). I felt safe hiding behind a screen and talking to this man.

    That was about eight months ago that I started talking to him, although it's hard for people to believe or understand, he really had no influence in the direction my life took, if anything he was just a support or form of solace in a time I desperately needed someone.

    So things went from bad to worse in my marriage, and one day I had a light bulb moment that I had to leave, that I had really tried EVERYTHING till that point and I had to leave the marriage. The thing that stands with me till now is that I had to come to this conclusion ON MY OWN. No one gave me the 'right' advice, God wasn't speaking to me, and I had to find my own strength and courage to leave my marriage on my own terms for my own reasons and NOT have to defend those reasons.

    Surprisingly I started turning more to God after my divorce, I dived into religion head first. I started praying all my prayers everyday, I prayed and asked God for A LOT in my prostrations. I prayed for my new online friend so that he would be saved from Gods punishment, I even cried buckets for him from my heart, I was so afraid of Gods punishment for him, and yes by this point he and I had become very attached to each other.

    Again I was told to look into the Quraan for solace, which I tried. But every time I did I just got more and more scared, I started feeling like I had to please god out of fear, i remember even thinking about going into niqaab (uncomfortable and frightened at the thought of doing it).

    I started feeling forced and suffocated, I started feeling pressured by God to fear him and obey him, I started feeling guilty of my very deep online relationship. I remember reading in the tafseer ibn Khatib about how the more a beleiver knows Allah the more he should fear Him (shudder). I became SO afraid. Then I remember reading how out of every 100 people 99 would enter hell :O
    All of these tortures and punishments of hell and the grave from Allah for both his believers and disbelievers frightened me shitless. I couldn't eat or sleep, I felt like no matter what I did it was NEVER enough for Allah, he will never be happy and I will be punished. And I couldnt believe in His mercy and blind myself to His punishment.

    So slowly my old fears of my religion began to resurface, the questions I had managed to bury for so long all came back to haunt me. Why did God create us just to punish us? Or create us just to worship him? Where we really to hate everything on this earth and submit completely to our lord? Where do you draw the line between religious and obsession? I couldn't find that middle ground in religion that everyone talks of. I found my mind swinging from one extreme to the other.

    Right now I feel like in the back of mind I KNOW that the God described in the religious scripture can not be God, can not be merciful, can not be Just or fair. But I am dealing with SEVERE depression as well as suicidal thoughts. Really bad suicidal thoughts. I feel like a hypocrite living around really 'pious' people that SO firmly believe that Islam is true. Which I don't agree with. I find myself fearing what if they are right and I will not just roast in hell but be hideously tortured as well. I am also afraid of disappointing all the people in my life, as they all saw that I had been becoming more spiritual and now it's just gone, in a blink of an eye.

    I worry about how I would be able to keep up this act, I worry about how my family and friends would react if they knew what I was thinking and what i truly believe. I honestly feel like my entire world is completely shattered. That everything I was told to believe was a lie. And that I can't even show them this, i am alone in this.

    I don't know if I can live in a world were my entire family and friends would turn against me.

    I wish I knew what to do right now. I wish I had ALL the answers, all the comfort that religion actually provides. Where exactly do we go from here, how do we go on living when EVERYONE around you is caught up in this indoctrination?

    Sorry for the long ass post just needed to put my thoughs and feelings out to the world.


    "I Knew who I was this morning, but I've changed a few times since then." Alice in wonderland

    "This is the only heaven we have how dare you make it a hell" Dr Marlene Winell
  • My story till today (ye It's a long one)
     Reply #1 - March 15, 2014, 04:17 PM

    Hi guys

    ....................

    I don't know if I can live in a world were my entire family and friends would turn against me.

    confusedagno  you got to set the rules..  and must learn living.,  YES WE CAN LIVE.. YES WE CAN MAKE NEW FAMILY., if the old family wants say hello.. we say hello.., if they say bye.. learn to say bye...bye..

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    I wish I knew what to do right now. I wish I had ALL the answers, all the comfort that religion actually provides. Where exactly do we go from here, how do we go on living when EVERYONE around you is caught up in this indoctrination?

    well  you got to start Fresh... what do we need in life to start with??     Not..god.. not religion..  religions and religious stories provides NO COMFORT..  they just hide the real problems of life.

    So what do we need to live a life??  education.. Job.. a bed to sleep...a home/room to safegaurd from weather..,    standing on own's feet is the key.   if possible take help from friends and well wishers..

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    Sorry for the long ass post just needed to put my thoughts and feelings out to the world

    No that is not long ass post..  i read it in 2 mts 20 seconds .,  but I hope you are NOT in Pakistan..

    with best wishes
    yeezevee

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • My story till today (ye It's a long one)
     Reply #2 - March 15, 2014, 04:22 PM

    Yeezee Smiley I am in South Africa actually, considering moving overseas to start a new life, looking into that. I have a degree, looking into a second degree, i have an online job, looking for something more solid. So many things to look into Smiley
    thanks for the well wishes

    "I Knew who I was this morning, but I've changed a few times since then." Alice in wonderland

    "This is the only heaven we have how dare you make it a hell" Dr Marlene Winell
  • My story till today (ye It's a long one)
     Reply #3 - March 15, 2014, 04:23 PM

    confusedagno, thank you for joining the forum, and thank you for posting your intro here. People here can relate to it. You are amongst like minds here  Afro

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • My story till today (ye It's a long one)
     Reply #4 - March 30, 2014, 01:26 PM

    Hi confusedagno

    I am from South Africa too, hope everything works out for you, you will find lots of great advice on this forum  yes
  • My story till today (ye It's a long one)
     Reply #5 - March 30, 2014, 02:36 PM

    O my so nice to finally come across a SA ex muslim Cheesy
    And thanks, yes everyone here is rather helpful

    "I Knew who I was this morning, but I've changed a few times since then." Alice in wonderland

    "This is the only heaven we have how dare you make it a hell" Dr Marlene Winell
  • My story till today (ye It's a long one)
     Reply #6 - March 31, 2014, 03:54 AM

    I wish you the very best and dont forget to come here when you need to talk or rant  grin12

    Its ok to doubt yourself but consider how Islam has been for you so far?  Does that seem like a stable belief system?   Just because everyone else around you can deal with it doesn't make it right or true.   

    Sound familiar?  Be a good slave and god will reward you in the hereafter ( but your butt is mine in this life) , be a good muslim/slave/servant (live in mental prison reinforced by fear and guilt (family)) and allah will reward you in the here after.

    You have a job you do it, you get compensated bi-weekly.   Why is it so hard for the self proclaimed master of the universe to put forth a coherent system for the rubbish we are required to do, to believe?  Why does compensation require your demise?  He does not exist!   it was mohammed all along.  What is there to be afraid of? 

    I was watching the news today with a cousin who is devout.   Upon seeing people starving he says Allah is trying to show us, to teach us how lucky we are thru these people.    I was disgusted.  Instead of having mercy on the poor, sick etc allah grinds them into the ground as an example for the rich, the powerful?   To which he replies but allah will give them a reward in the hereafter.....smdh

    Why does the most merciful of the merciful need to step on the weak to prove a point to the rich?   In effect allah is saying I could careless about the poor, I want the rich to love me NOW, the poor their love and gratitude can wait.

    Does that seem like a supreme being?

    Oh my Christopher Hitchens its a fihrrrrrrrrrrrr
  • My story till today (ye It's a long one)
     Reply #7 - March 31, 2014, 07:00 AM

    I was watching the news today with a cousin who is devout.   Upon seeing people starving he says Allah is trying to show us, to teach us how lucky we are thru these people.    I was disgusted.  Instead of having mercy on the poor, sick etc allah grinds them into the ground as an example for the rich, the powerful?   To which he replies but allah will give them a reward in the hereafter.....smd

    ^ totally relate to this  incident. My mum claimed that the situation in syria is gods punishment because they were not good muslims.  In the same breath she feels sorry for them and supports them and sends money their way, but she believes its alllahs anger. Will never understand the mentality. that love hate relationship.

    there are a lot of religious theologies that dont sit right with me, its no longer about the muslims (which youl find a bunch of problems their too) but the religion itself that seems to lack a solid foundation and has a lot of cracks.

    "I Knew who I was this morning, but I've changed a few times since then." Alice in wonderland

    "This is the only heaven we have how dare you make it a hell" Dr Marlene Winell
  • My story till today (ye It's a long one)
     Reply #8 - March 31, 2014, 07:04 AM

    So she wants to go against Allah? whistling2

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • My story till today (ye It's a long one)
     Reply #9 - March 31, 2014, 07:05 AM

    lol trust me i get the irony or hypocrisy

    "I Knew who I was this morning, but I've changed a few times since then." Alice in wonderland

    "This is the only heaven we have how dare you make it a hell" Dr Marlene Winell
  • My story till today (ye It's a long one)
     Reply #10 - March 31, 2014, 07:11 AM

    You should do the concerned and pious act at her, just for shitz n giggles.

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • My story till today (ye It's a long one)
     Reply #11 - March 31, 2014, 07:22 AM

    n then break her heart even more when things start to come out (eventually at some point in time)
    Anyway whernever my mum says something i dont agree with i just keep quite and she gets uncomfortable and stops talking. I don't like to encourage nonsense Tongue talk

    "I Knew who I was this morning, but I've changed a few times since then." Alice in wonderland

    "This is the only heaven we have how dare you make it a hell" Dr Marlene Winell
  • My story till today (ye It's a long one)
     Reply #12 - March 31, 2014, 07:24 AM

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    n then break her heart even more

    Hey, if a job's worth doing, it's worth doing well grin12

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • My story till today (ye It's a long one)
     Reply #13 - March 31, 2014, 07:30 AM

    lol aaaaaw my poor mum, I actually understand her better when Im looking from the outside and I just feel sorry for her.

    "I Knew who I was this morning, but I've changed a few times since then." Alice in wonderland

    "This is the only heaven we have how dare you make it a hell" Dr Marlene Winell
  • My story till today (ye It's a long one)
     Reply #14 - April 01, 2014, 04:23 PM

    Confusedagno, where in SA are you from?
    I live in Cape Town  Afro
  • My story till today (ye It's a long one)
     Reply #15 - April 01, 2014, 04:43 PM

    Im all the way in Durban Smiley

    "I Knew who I was this morning, but I've changed a few times since then." Alice in wonderland

    "This is the only heaven we have how dare you make it a hell" Dr Marlene Winell
  • My story till today (ye It's a long one)
     Reply #16 - April 01, 2014, 04:53 PM

    Nice at least the water is warmer that side of the country  grin12
  • My story till today (ye It's a long one)
     Reply #17 - April 01, 2014, 06:44 PM

    lol yes that is true Smiley

    "I Knew who I was this morning, but I've changed a few times since then." Alice in wonderland

    "This is the only heaven we have how dare you make it a hell" Dr Marlene Winell
  • My story till today (ye It's a long one)
     Reply #18 - April 04, 2014, 05:57 PM

    Hi guy's I am also ex muslim seeking asylum
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