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 Topic: Why Live?

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  • Why Live?
     OP - March 19, 2014, 10:42 PM
    How would you answer this to a Christian, Muslim, or any other theist?

    Q: Why live and enjoy your lives when you won't be able to remember anything after death? Why wake up every morning and bother dealing with the hardships of life? Wouldn't it be much easier to just drop everything? Why live?
    Me: Hey Allah!
    Allah: KAFIR!
  • Why Live?
     Reply #1 - March 19, 2014, 10:48 PM
    Staying alive is part of my strategy for long-term survival in this world.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Why Live?
     Reply #2 - March 19, 2014, 10:50 PM
    Well, many of the sahaba did just that. They literally dropped everything just to get killed for the sake of Allah:

    One the authority of Jabir radhiallahu 'anhu who said, A man said, "O Messenger of Allah sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam where will I be if I am killed?" He sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam replied, "In Paradise". So he threw away some dates he had in his hand and then went and fought until he was killed

  • Why Live?
     Reply #3 - March 19, 2014, 11:12 PM
    Why live if you believe there is a superior realm of experience after you die?
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Why Live?
     Reply #4 - March 19, 2014, 11:15 PM
    Yeah. That is pretty much the whole message, isn't it? Stop wasting your time living when you could be dying and really living it up.
  • Why Live?
     Reply #5 - March 19, 2014, 11:22 PM
    Both Muslims and Christians will argue that suicide will send them to Hell. However, for the Muslims they have another option: Jihad for the sake of Allah!
    Me: Hey Allah!
    Allah: KAFIR!
  • Why Live?
     Reply #6 - March 19, 2014, 11:25 PM
    If that's truly the only reason why a believer does not want their life to end, what does it say about the existential quality of living as a believer in this world? It paints a pretty grim picture of their worldview.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Why Live?
     Reply #7 - March 19, 2014, 11:26 PM
    Also, why are they always so distraught at funerals? Makes no sense.
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Why Live?
     Reply #8 - March 19, 2014, 11:28 PM
    I mean seriously, if they believe this shit they claim to believe they should be throwing parties every time a bus full of kiddies gets lunched by an asteroid strike. yes
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Why Live?
     Reply #9 - March 19, 2014, 11:31 PM
    Such is the incoherency of these religions.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Why Live?
     Reply #10 - March 19, 2014, 11:32 PM
    Innit.
    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
  • Why Live?
     Reply #11 - March 19, 2014, 11:40 PM
    I once raised this very question with a muslim friend who not much earlier helped me in joining the fold. Rattling on about how God is testing us in this life so we can't do that was pretty much the answer I was given.
  • Why Live?
     Reply #12 - March 19, 2014, 11:42 PM
    Quote from: Ishina on March 19, 2014, 11:25 PM
    If that's truly the only reason why a believer does not want their life to end, what does it say about the existential quality of living as a believer in this world? It paints a pretty grim picture of their worldview.


    Exactly, it shows how shitty their lives must be. To know that Paradise or Heaven awaits you but you have to keep living in this world until you die (unless if it's martyrdom).
    Me: Hey Allah!
    Allah: KAFIR!
  • Why Live?
     Reply #13 - March 19, 2014, 11:44 PM
    Quote from: Doubting Tomas on March 19, 2014, 11:40 PM
    I once raised this very question with a muslim friend who not much earlier helped me in joining the fold. Rattling on about how God is testing us in this life so we can't do that was pretty much the answer I was given.


    Did you ask him what's the point of God testing us if he is "All-knowing"?
    Me: Hey Allah!
    Allah: KAFIR!
  • Why Live?
     Reply #14 - March 19, 2014, 11:45 PM
    Quote from: Doubting Tomas on March 19, 2014, 11:40 PM
    I once raised this very question with a muslim friend who not much earlier helped me in joining the fold. Rattling on about how God is testing us in this life so we can't do that was pretty much the answer I was given.

    Because apparently being the maximally-powerful, all-knowing and ever-present author of our actions isn't enough. It needs to test us, too.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Why Live?
     Reply #15 - March 19, 2014, 11:45 PM
    Quote from: osmanthus on March 19, 2014, 11:28 PM
    I mean seriously, if they believe this shit they claim to believe they should be throwing parties every time a bus full of kiddies gets lunched by an asteroid strike. yes


    What you said reminded me of this video. A Darkmatter classic.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMaK6k4oZ20
    Me: Hey Allah!
    Allah: KAFIR!
  • Why Live?
     Reply #16 - March 20, 2014, 12:11 AM
    Because I want to.  I don't understand why my eventual end should make my present experiences less valuable to me. If anything, it's just the opposite.
    Have you heard the good news? There is no God!
  • Why Live?
     Reply #17 - March 20, 2014, 12:15 AM
    Quote from: T.M.M.T. on March 19, 2014, 11:44 PM
    Did you ask him what's the point of God testing us if he is "All-knowing"?

    didn't  get that far, kind of backed off to be honest, I could see through a whole pile of their arguments from the get go but didn't want to blow my cover or make things awkward so early on in my 'new life'.
    We've lost touch since, I still rate them as a decent human being, in fact much as they'd hate me to say it, I consider this person to be too good for Islam.
  • Why Live?
     Reply #18 - March 20, 2014, 10:18 PM
    Quote from: T.M.M.T. on March 19, 2014, 11:22 PM
    Both Muslims and Christians will argue that suicide will send them to Hell. However, for the Muslims they have another option: Jihad for the sake of Allah!

    Except originally this is precisely what Christians did: killed themselves to go to Heaven. Since a number of splinters started offing themselves in large numbers the Church made a ruling against it. That’s where the myth about it being a sin comes in.
  • Why Live?
     Reply #19 - March 21, 2014, 06:52 AM
    Interesting question. If I may take a detour:

    I've always wondered if there's ever been a sufistic reading of Heidegger. Perhaps Z10 may know? Assuming, of course, that he's still active on the forums.
  • Why Live?
     Reply #20 - March 21, 2014, 05:46 PM
    Why do you watch a movie when it will end? Why do you go to parties, have a nice meal with your family, or travel to parts of the world knowing that these experiences will end? Life works the same way.
  • Why Live?
     Reply #21 - March 21, 2014, 05:49 PM
    Heres another Q, how do you deal with the death of a loved one knowing you probably won't see them in the afterlife again :(
    "I Knew who I was this morning, but I've changed a few times since then." Alice in wonderland

    "This is the only heaven we have how dare you make it a hell" Dr Marlene Winell
  • Why Live?
     Reply #22 - March 21, 2014, 06:04 PM
    The same process of grief I'd go through if I did believe in an afterlife -- anger, denial, pain, depression -- but without the extra anxiety about the possibility they are being roasted and brutalised in God's torture basement.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Why Live?
     Reply #23 - March 21, 2014, 06:09 PM
    I never thot my dad was roasting tho Smiley
    lost him when i was 6
    "I Knew who I was this morning, but I've changed a few times since then." Alice in wonderland

    "This is the only heaven we have how dare you make it a hell" Dr Marlene Winell
  • Why Live?
     Reply #24 - March 21, 2014, 06:39 PM
    Quote from: Ishina on March 21, 2014, 06:04 PM
    The same process of grief I'd go through if I did believe in an afterlife -- anger, denial, pain, depression -- but without the extra anxiety about the possibility they are being roasted and brutalised in God's torture basement.


    This. Also, knowing that you will never see the deceased again (because there is no afterlife) makes you more caring and considerate towards your other loved ones.
  • Why Live?
     Reply #25 - March 24, 2014, 12:50 PM
    Why live with religion? So you can be one of the few so called people on the straight path praying to the almighty God so He can get his fill? Believing that the majority of mankind will burn forever for not doing what you're doing based most likely on how and where you were brought up? All so in the end you can get into heaven and have perpetual coitus with your virgin maids, while you simultaneously indulge every other physical desire your still entirely human body may have?

    I'd rather have no point.

  • Why Live?
     Reply #26 - March 24, 2014, 12:56 PM
    Quote from: FinalForesight on March 24, 2014, 12:50 PM
    Why live with religion? ..............

    I'd rather have no point.

    Nooooo.. there is a point.. I see that point in that word "religion" .. get rid of it  so future generations after you and me will live as humans in one humanity..  we have plenty of land and plenty of places in this universe for all.........
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Why Live?
     Reply #27 - March 24, 2014, 01:12 PM
    Quote from: confusedagno on March 21, 2014, 06:09 PM
    I never thot my dad was roasting tho Smiley
    lost him when i was 6

    I am so sorry to hear that little girl.,  well my  so-called father still living but I hardly saw him once I crossed the year 9., and before that it was all staring  straight in to eyes and getting beaten..

    Oh well that is life., take or leave it.. but you turned out to be wonderful and I am living my life .  So confusedagno  don't worry., every one can not have everything in life. do your best..

    with best wishes
    yeezevee
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Why Live?
     Reply #28 - March 24, 2014, 01:51 PM
    Quote from: T.M.M.T. on March 19, 2014, 10:42 PM
    How would you answer this to a Christian, Muslim, or any other theist?

    Q: Why live and enjoy your lives when you won't be able to remember anything after death? Why wake up every morning and bother dealing with the hardships of life? Wouldn't it be much easier to just drop everything? Why live?

    Well, they should watch this video.
    The 4 stories we tell ourselves about death
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PB7xs7UpIfY

    If they don't want to live, it is their choice. But they should be aware of one thing : death means the end of everything.
  • Why Live?
     Reply #29 - March 24, 2014, 01:54 PM
    Quote from: INcePtion on March 24, 2014, 01:51 PM
    ............ death means the end of everything....................

    INcePtion throwing some prophetic words.,

    Prophet  INcePtion  is right.,    Yap............  do what ever good  or whom ever and whatever you want to kill do it now and do it on this earth...
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
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