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  • the concept of prophets
     OP - March 23, 2014, 04:02 PM
    Does anyone know the history of how Prophets came about? who was the first human to claim prophethood and for what reason, i know Adam is the first according to scripture, how the did the concept of Adam come about? anyone has any information regarding this they can share
    "I Knew who I was this morning, but I've changed a few times since then." Alice in wonderland

    "This is the only heaven we have how dare you make it a hell" Dr Marlene Winell
  • the concept of prophets
     Reply #1 - March 23, 2014, 04:34 PM
    Impossible to say who was historically the first "Prophet". One of the earlier ones who fitted definition of prophet instead of just guru or wizard was Zarathustra, Persian who reformed polytheistic tradition and worshipped only one God. Nowadays some scholars claim he didn't exist but he was at least pseudo-historical person. Probably not the first ever but probably first that we know of today.

    I don't know about Adam.
    I ask many stupid questions frequently.
    I am curious, that's why I ask many questions.
    I am overly curious, that's why I ask stupid questions.
    I lack patience, that's why I ask frequently.
    So forgive me and answer me Smiley
  • the concept of prophets
     Reply #2 - March 23, 2014, 04:41 PM
    Quote from: confusedagno on March 23, 2014, 04:02 PM
    .......... i know Adam is the first ...............

    Hmm.,  i didn't know that., I thought Adam and his girl friend Eve were close to Monkeys ..  You always  trying to confuse me confusedagno....

    So guys you tell me, what was the contribution of Adam to the  society that he was living with?  
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • the concept of prophets
     Reply #3 - March 23, 2014, 05:09 PM
    lol according to scripture he is the father of ALL of mankind. so basically his sex life is the contribution to society
    "I Knew who I was this morning, but I've changed a few times since then." Alice in wonderland

    "This is the only heaven we have how dare you make it a hell" Dr Marlene Winell
  • the concept of prophets
     Reply #4 - March 23, 2014, 05:14 PM
    Quote from: confusedagno on March 23, 2014, 05:09 PM
    lol according to scripture he is the father of ALL of mankind. so basically his sex life is the contribution to society

    Huh!  there was no sex before Adam?  sure there were animals who knew about sex., Adam must have seen animals having sex...

    O.K I give to these religious bums that Adam & Eve and their yadi...yadi story.,   which makes them father & mother of ALL of mankind.

    So call them dad & Mom...,  why call that guy as Prophet? then Eve should be also called as Prophet.    These religious guys who wrote those scripture are brainless bums.. They don't know the difference between their daddy and  their prophet..
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • the concept of prophets
     Reply #5 - March 23, 2014, 05:20 PM
    hehe Yeezee, I'm really interested to know how all these scripture stories originated. i mean who came up with adam and eve, why call him adam? was he an arab, black, white, chinese? hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
    "I Knew who I was this morning, but I've changed a few times since then." Alice in wonderland

    "This is the only heaven we have how dare you make it a hell" Dr Marlene Winell
  • the concept of prophets
     Reply #6 - March 23, 2014, 05:31 PM
    Quote from: confusedagno on March 23, 2014, 05:20 PM
    hehe Yeezee, I'm really interested to know how all these scripture stories originated. i mean who came up with adam and eve, why call him adam? was he an arab, black, white, chinese? hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

    I am sorry confusedagno  I am not interested in spending  my time and exploring origins of these silly medieval stories..

    I am only interested in  INSULTING FOOLS of 21st century who consider those silly stories as real..
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • the concept of prophets
     Reply #7 - March 23, 2014, 05:41 PM
    well I was one of them till recently and I would love to know where the lies I was indoctrinated with stem from
    "I Knew who I was this morning, but I've changed a few times since then." Alice in wonderland

    "This is the only heaven we have how dare you make it a hell" Dr Marlene Winell
  • the concept of prophets
     Reply #8 - March 23, 2014, 05:58 PM
    Quote from: confusedagno on March 23, 2014, 05:41 PM
    well I was one of them till recently and I would love to know where the lies I was indoctrinated with stem from

    No..no..noooo., you were NOT one of them.

    You didn't know about it., you never thought about anything that is written in these books., Frankly speaking I believe you never read these books.,You heard those Santa Claus stories and you just believed in them.  That is all right that is not your fault
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • the concept of prophets
     Reply #9 - March 23, 2014, 06:05 PM
    you right I did not read the entire book and I never really thought about my doubts before, just swept them away Smiley

    But i think Im too grown up to ignore them anymore
    "I Knew who I was this morning, but I've changed a few times since then." Alice in wonderland

    "This is the only heaven we have how dare you make it a hell" Dr Marlene Winell
  • the concept of prophets
     Reply #10 - March 26, 2014, 01:21 PM
    Interesting article I found on the origins of the Adam and Eve story
    http://www.rationalavenue.com/adam-and-eve-a-babylonian-myth/
    "I Knew who I was this morning, but I've changed a few times since then." Alice in wonderland

    "This is the only heaven we have how dare you make it a hell" Dr Marlene Winell
  • the concept of prophets
     Reply #11 - March 26, 2014, 01:50 PM
    They were once called Oracles, Shaaman etc...

    It would have simply been the clever (or literate person) who learned to predict a certain seasonal occurance (the dropping of the leaves, an eclipse, the coming of the rains) or read from the texts of ancient(er) peoples in an age where nobody else could, and shaped the texts to mean what he wanted them too for his people

  • the concept of prophets
     Reply #12 - March 26, 2014, 06:05 PM
    Religions have existed as far back as human beings have tried to organize and control each other. And of course there have to be priests, prophets, and soothsayers that can “communicate” with the Gods. What good would a religion be if you could not tell people what God wants them to do.
  • the concept of prophets
     Reply #13 - March 26, 2014, 07:21 PM
    Adam, the word, means Man or Mankind. The character Adam is just the embodiment of the creation of man via a figure one can relate to. Adam, as a person, provides a source of authority in one can call upon similar to a hereditary king or family. If you read through the Bible all major prophets and "true" Kings have been of the "pure" line of Adam. All "impure" lines have been corrupted by devils, Satan, Cain, etc. People have used various claims of family lines to reinforce their own claims to property, kingship, etc. Sumerian government was based on Priest-Kings so this is similar to the claims of Divine guidance of the Israelite prophets. Beside what better way is there to reinforce one's authority by invoking the authority of the God(s) people already worship. It is one of the best arguments from authority, one which most people can not refuted unless rivaled in material resources; military, economic, etc. Reference Saul and David for an idea of how one can be the chosen for God yet fall from "grace" due to material world based consequences.

    Change the details a bit and you will see how many religious figures have used God(s) as a source of authority an average person can not challenge. All their failures are based on the material world and thir actions within it. As soon as one fails there is blood in the water and the sharks are out in force. The successor, or usurper, is always the one the God(s) suddenly favor next until the next failure along with the next person "favored" by the Gods.
  • the concept of prophets
     Reply #14 - March 26, 2014, 09:24 PM
    bogart, you ever consider writing a book? Your posts are highly enjoyable and informative.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • the concept of prophets
     Reply #15 - March 26, 2014, 10:50 PM
    There is a possibility of authoring a book which would be related to my choice of study and career path. Although this would be restricted to archaeology and future opportunities with the field. Outside of archaeology I am erratic jumping from topic to topic with the only unifying factor being history. Besides at this time a book outside of my current goals would be a distraction. A few ramblings here and there are my way of brain-draining and avoiding writer's block.

    Back to my previous comment.

    Also take note of successful religious figures. The same favour of the God(s) can be applied. Islam was successful in it's early years by the will of God. The failures of Muslim nations in the present is punishment. The same can be applied by another religion which is present in the rhetoric of ultra right wing Christians in America. Heck the rise of secularism and atheism is seen punishment from God by many within both religions. A lot of people seem to reject the idea that their own limitations are not their fault instead it's God's will. Rather than sparing a moment for self-reflection or to analysis what resulted in the failures within their society, government, religion, etc. It is easier to pass the buck on to God.

    How can the perfect system fail or be conquered by human created systems? If a system fails it is not perfect either on paper or practice.
  • Re: the concept of prophets
     Reply #16 - March 27, 2014, 02:23 AM
    Quote from: confusedagno on March 23, 2014, 05:20 PM
    hehe Yeezee, I'm really interested to know how all these scripture stories originated. i mean who came up with adam and eve, why call him adam? was he an arab, black, white, chinese? hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

    The story of Adam must be true because nobody can come up with shit like that.
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  • the concept of prophets
     Reply #17 - March 27, 2014, 02:34 AM
     Cheesy
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
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