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  • Is pork really unhealthy?
     OP - March 23, 2014, 06:47 PM

    i have been looking into all the things Islam made haram,
    according to my research most things done in moderation are fine,
    But I was brought up to believe the pig is natural garbage disposer and thus unhealthy, is it really?
    was pork a common food in Arabia at that time?

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  • Is pork really unhealthy?
     Reply #1 - March 23, 2014, 06:54 PM

    Plants are natural garbage disposers.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Is pork really unhealthy?
     Reply #2 - March 23, 2014, 06:56 PM

    i always wondered why islam teaches you every little thing down to washing urelf in the toilet, but makes no mention of eating vegetables ;?

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  • Is pork really unhealthy?
     Reply #3 - March 23, 2014, 07:05 PM

    i always wondered why islam teaches you every little thing down to washing urelf in the toilet,

    Because fools of  that time in Arabian desert  didn't know how to wash their face and asses. Imagine some 1000 men together in a  hot summer day in the   desert listening to some leader/prophet.  If they didn't wash their faces and asses the stench will be horrible., so  the guy.. the leader might have said something like "you fools wash your nose face and ass every day 3 times 5 times whatever .,

    That stupid rituals we need to follow in 21st century?? 

    Stupid people Mock them and move on
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    but makes no mention of eating vegetables ;?

    Well Islam doesn't stop us  eating vegetables..  that is good enough..

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  • Is pork really unhealthy?
     Reply #4 - March 23, 2014, 07:12 PM

    OMG yeezevee this literally had me laugh out loud, if I had only read this today, I would have been happy

    "The healthiest people I know are those who are the first to label themselves fucked up." - three
  • Is pork really unhealthy?
     Reply #5 - March 23, 2014, 07:21 PM

    lol Yeezee
    But what about the PIGS?Huh?Huh?Huh??

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  • Is pork really unhealthy?
     Reply #6 - March 23, 2014, 07:36 PM

    lol Yeezee
    But what about the PIGS?Huh?Huh?Huh??

     what do you mean? you mean  pigs don't clean their ass and face?? 

    why worry about pigs., let us worry about human beings.,   well I don't worry about pigs., they can live their life and I will live my life., there is enough to every one on this earth..   lol...


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  • Is pork really unhealthy?
     Reply #7 - March 23, 2014, 07:41 PM

    lol i meant are they unhealthy?Huh?Huh?Huh?/

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  • Is pork really unhealthy?
     Reply #8 - March 23, 2014, 07:44 PM

    lol i meant are they unhealthy?Huh?Huh?Huh?/

     well we don't want to live in a pig farm with 1000 pigs

    but if you could clean them they could be good pets

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cXubmFqqE8

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  • Is pork really unhealthy?
     Reply #9 - March 23, 2014, 07:47 PM

    lol how helpful Wink

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  • Is pork really unhealthy?
     Reply #10 - March 23, 2014, 08:18 PM

    The way I see it, pig and human meat taste very similar. I suspect somewhere in Judaism’s history there’s some fear about a slippery slope fallacy into cannibalism if people eat pig. I dunno.

    Oh, and I mention Judaism because I suspect the pig = haram thing was one of the many many cultural and religious edicts muslims derived from the jews.
  • Is pork really unhealthy?
     Reply #11 - March 23, 2014, 08:29 PM

    It's more likely the prohibition was because badly cooked pork can harbour parasites (trichinosis). That's easy to fix. You just have to cook it properly.

    Also, the pig was a symbolic animal for earlier pagan religions, so that in itself would tend to make later religions declare it piggy non grata.

    Short version: nope, pork isn't any worse than any other meat.

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  • Is pork really unhealthy?
     Reply #12 - March 23, 2014, 08:33 PM

    lol i meant are they unhealthy?Huh?Huh?Huh?/

    No, why would you think that? Huh?

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Is pork really unhealthy?
     Reply #13 - March 23, 2014, 08:59 PM

    It's more likely the prohibition was because badly cooked pork can harbour parasites (trichinosis). That's easy to fix. You just have to cook it properly.

    Interestingly, however, those sorts of parasites flourish and are more prevalent in COLDER climates than in warmer ones. So the disease aspect wouldn’t have been as prevalent as in a place like Scandinavia or Britain.

    Also, the same worm is found in improperly cooked walrus or bear meat — and yet neither of those things are specified as haram…
  • Is pork really unhealthy?
     Reply #14 - March 23, 2014, 09:03 PM

    Conclusion: the author of the Quran didn't know about trichinosis.

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  • Is pork really unhealthy?
     Reply #15 - March 23, 2014, 09:51 PM

    Chicken is more dangerous than pork.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Is pork really unhealthy?
     Reply #16 - March 23, 2014, 09:54 PM

    Is that not common knowledge? Huh?

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Is pork really unhealthy?
     Reply #17 - March 23, 2014, 10:22 PM

    well we don't want to live in a pig farm with 1000 pigs



    The last time i went feral pig hunting we put a suckling pig on a spit roast over the campfire, nice tender free range pork,mmmmm tasty.

    Feral pigs are a huge problem for Farmers in Australia.
    www.sportingshootermag.com.au/news/300-pigs-and-not-one-gun
  • Is pork really unhealthy?
     Reply #18 - March 23, 2014, 10:26 PM

    Is that not common knowledge? Huh?

    Apparently not to the authors of the Quran.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Is pork really unhealthy?
     Reply #19 - March 23, 2014, 10:27 PM

    Christopher Hitchens on why heaven hates ham

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LoWVkSyC0o

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  • Is pork really unhealthy?
     Reply #20 - March 23, 2014, 11:37 PM

    ^ Yeah, that was in his book God Is Not Great. Great stuff. Very insightful.
  • Is pork really unhealthy?
     Reply #21 - March 23, 2014, 11:46 PM

    I saw a program about tropical diseases, in it a woman had visited a country in Africa, she had eaten some pork there and after her return to UK started experiencing epileptic fits. Her brain was infected with the pig tapeworm, it is the only tapeworm that does this. There is something about the biology of pigs that makes it similar in some ways to humans, that is why the tapeworm gets confused into traveling up to the brain of humans instead of just infecting the gut. Also, pigs are used for human heart valve transplants because of the biological similarities.
    People who have been forced to resort to cannibalism, like that survivors of Uruguayan Air Force Flight 571, later describe the taste of human flesh being similar to that of pig.

    Now imagine a few thousand years ago when it was noticed that people who were eating pigs sometimes acted like they were possessed by demons and then died (because of the epilepsy and cysticercosis) this was not as simple as eating a bit of bad chicken and getting a belly ache, mix that with possibly meeting some cannibals who love eating pigs too because it reminds them of eating other people, this would make clerics and rulers want to ban the practice of eating pigs. So that's why they came up with the idea that the creator of all things forbade pig.
  • Is pork really unhealthy?
     Reply #22 - March 23, 2014, 11:56 PM

    How would ancient people know it was the pork on the plate that caused brain infection (or evil spirit possession)?

    I don't think it's that complicated. I think they genuinely just didn't eat pigs because they were seen as unclean. That's what the scripture says is the reason, after all.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Is pork really unhealthy?
     Reply #23 - March 24, 2014, 12:39 AM

    lol how helpful Wink


    Oh...oh I see, you guys are talking about eating Pig meat products..   Well before we talk about Islam we should learn from  "Kashrut" Islam's dad  on what to eat what meat not to eat.,  What is Kosher and what is not..  that is Judaism 101., well let me add some rules here..

     Kashrut is the body of Jewish law dealing with what foods we can and cannot eat and how those foods must be prepared and eaten. "Kashrut" comes from the Hebrew root Kaf-Shin-Reish, meaning fit, proper or correct.   
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    1). Contrary to popular misconception, rabbis or other religious officials do not "bless" food to make it kosher. There are blessings that observant Jews recite over food before eating it, but these blessings have nothing to do with making the food kosher. Food can be kosher without a rabbi or priest ever becoming involved with it:

    goood , No RASCAL"S blessing  for killings animals and no priests., bless yourself and eat... 

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    2).  the vegetables from your garden are undoubtedly kosher (as long as they don't have any bugs, which are not kosher!). 

    really YOUR STOMACH IS FULL OF BUGS..
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    2).  There is no such thing as "kosher-style" food. Kosher is not a style of cooking. Chinese food can be kosher if it is prepared in accordance with Jewish law, and there are many fine kosher Chinese restaurants

    well Chinese food also Halal., it doesn't matter what they add and how they make it.,  It is tasty.,  adding MSG will cover every religious  law..

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    3). In recent years, several secular sources that have seriously looked into this matter have acknowledged that health does not explain these prohibitions. Some have suggested that the prohibitions are instead derived from environmental considerations. For example, a camel (which is not kosher) is more useful as a beast of burden than as a source of food. In the Middle Eastern climate, the pig consumes a quantity of food that is disproportional to its value as a food source.

     good point  is that is the reason for not eating pigs??

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    The short answer to why Jews observe these laws is: because the Torah says so. The Torah does not specify any reason for these laws, and for a Torah-observant, traditional Jew, there is no need for any other reason. Some have suggested that the laws of kashrut fall into the category of "chukkim," laws for which there is no reason. We show our obedience to G-d by following these laws even though we do not know the reason. Others, however, have tried to ascertain G-d's reason for imposing these laws.

    Yap Torah says so ..G-d..G-d..

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    Certain animals may not be eaten at all. This restriction includes the flesh, organs, eggs and milk of the forbidden animals. Of the animals that may be eaten, the birds and mammals must be killed in accordance with Jewish law.

    All blood must be drained from meat and poultry or broiled out of it before it is eaten.

    Certain parts of permitted animals may not be eaten.

    Fruits and vegetables are permitted, but must be inspected for bugs (which cannot be eaten)

    Oh Shut up.. Bugs in Fruits and vegetables ., God need to  say  stop eating bugs in fruits.??  . BUMS..

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    Animals that may not be eaten

    Of the "beasts of the earth" (which basically refers to land mammals with the exception of swarming rodents), you may eat any animal that has cloven hooves and chews its cud. Lev. 11:3; Deut. 14:6. Any land mammal that does not have both of these qualities is forbidden.

     
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    The Torah specifies that the camel, the rock badger, the hare and the pig are not kosher because each lacks one of these two qualifications. Cattle, sheep, goats, deer and bison are kosher.

     
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    Of the things that are in the waters, you may eat anything that has fins and scales. Lev. 11:9; Deut. 14:9. Thus, shellfish such as lobsters, oysters, shrimp, clams and crabs are all forbidden. Fish like tuna, carp, salmon and herring are all permitted.

    shut up...  I have seen  many Jewish folks eating lobsters, oysters, shrimp...

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    For birds, the criteria is less clear. The Torah provides a list of forbidden birds (Lev. 11:13-19; Deut. 14:11-18), but does not specify why these particular birds are forbidden. All of the birds on the list are birds of prey or scavengers, thus the rabbis inferred that this was the basis for the distinction. Other birds are permitted, such as chicken, geese, ducks and turkeys. However, some people avoid turkey, because it is was unknown at the time of the giving of the Torah, leaving room for doubt.

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    Rodents, reptiles, amphibians, and insects (except as mentioned above) are all forbidden. Lev. 11:29-30, 42-43..

    well those are the rules to start with..  So only thing that is common for both the religions which is banned is Pig products

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    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Is pork really unhealthy?
     Reply #24 - March 24, 2014, 12:43 AM

    Those rules make no sense at all. Completely bonkers. Tongue

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  • Is pork really unhealthy?
     Reply #25 - March 24, 2014, 01:12 AM

    ^

    Those rules are coming from the same books (hadiths) that said the prophet Mo had the sexual strength of 70 men. 

    Now if we could get mo's DNA somehow we can create a more potent alternative to viagara. 

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  • Is pork really unhealthy?
     Reply #26 - March 24, 2014, 01:18 AM

     Cheesy

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Is pork really unhealthy?
     Reply #27 - March 24, 2014, 02:00 AM

    everything is unhealthy in excess

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  • Is pork really unhealthy?
     Reply #28 - March 24, 2014, 06:26 AM

    Well my dad says that pork meat contains excessive fat, more than beef, chicken, etc. One of my ex-classmates also posted an article on FB that said that they have an incomplete digestive system which prevented them from excreting toxic wastes from their body, or something like that. Instead those waste seep through their feet between the hooves. I have never heard of such nonsense. Apparently, they don't how to clean the insides of a pig properly, if that was the case. People in my country eats a fish which has poison (although the poison is not fatal).

    Muslims REALLY hate pigs. One of my maids had told me that nail polishes nullify ablution because it is made of pig blood! My dad says something else though. It is because the lacquer covers the nails and doesn't allow ablution water to reach them. Seriously, you think you can be clean by just washing yourself three times with only water and no soap? I have even read a crap story that grapes are alcoholic because Satan had watered the grape plant in Noah's ark with pig blood in order to make the prophet angry! Whoever wrote it doesn't know that alcohol also comes from other sources.
  • Is pork really unhealthy?
     Reply #29 - March 24, 2014, 06:33 AM

    Well my dad says that pork meat contains excessive fat, more than beef, chicken, etc. One of my ex-classmates also posted an article on FB that said that they have an incomplete digestive system which prevented them from excreting toxic wastes from their body, or something like that. Instead those waste seep through their feet between the hooves. I have never heard of such nonsense.

    that is true for all farm raised animals unlike wild/country side self feeding animals..

    wild boars in jungles don't have as much fat as this bull raised for Eid sacrifice



    http://www.pakistanguides.com/boar/


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