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  • Weird things you read about religion
     Reply #90 - May 21, 2014, 06:26 AM
    I think it's good these kind of things surfaces so that non-Muslims can see that this is real and not just some far-right nutjob's fantasies. Muslims are very careful with giving an edited and refined version of their beliefs to outsiders, so when for example ex-Mislims raise their voices people tend to think you exaggerate or make things up. This is at least my experience. Muslims who hold these (mainstream in traditional Islam, to be honest) views rarely speak about them openly because they know people would react. Problem is, they think they're the normal ones and everyone else are wrong.
    "The healthiest people I know are those who are the first to label themselves fucked up." - three
  • Weird things you read about religion
     Reply #91 - May 21, 2014, 07:40 AM
    ^^  This is so true. A lot of people would not believe me if I told them some of the crap Muslims say.
    "Ours is the age which is proud of machines that think and suspicious of men who try to."
    هذا من فضل جدي
  • Weird things you read about religion
     Reply #92 - May 21, 2014, 12:06 PM
    The only people who can tell you the truth about the experience of being in a religion/cult are the apostates who leave it because they are the only ones that have been on both sides of the fence.
    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • Weird things you read about religion
     Reply #93 - May 21, 2014, 12:51 PM
    Quote from: Cornflower on May 21, 2014, 06:26 AM
    I think it's good these kind of things surfaces so that non-Muslims can see that this is real and not just some far-right nutjob's fantasies. Muslims are very careful with giving an edited and refined version of their beliefs to outsiders, so when for example ex-Mislims raise their voices people tend to think you exaggerate or make things up. This is at least my experience. Muslims who hold these (mainstream in traditional Islam, to be honest) views rarely speak about them openly because they know people would react. Problem is, they think they're the normal ones and everyone else are wrong.



    The amount of genuine cognitive dissonance often at play is also staggering. Particularly in the west, I think that many Muslims fail to actually reconcile their own personal morals with the teachings found in the Quran, and especially in the hadith. I’d say that with the exception of salafis, most of the Muslims I know really do view Islam as a tolerant, progressive, enlightened faith. A few nice verses from the Quran or a warm and fuzzy hadith is really all they need in order to keep the delusion going. When you bring up teachings that contradict the “fluffy kitten” version of Islam they’ve created, they really don’t know what to do with it.

    It’s not always a matter of dishonesty, in my opinion. Many have been conditioned to equate Islam with good, so whatever is deemed good in their minds must also be Islamic, and vice versa. Allah and Muhammad exist to them only as these noble projections of their own morals and ideals.
  • Weird things you read about religion
     Reply #94 - May 21, 2014, 12:56 PM
    Quote from: Cornflower on May 21, 2014, 06:26 AM
    I think it's good these kind of things surfaces so that non-Muslims can see that this is real and not just some far-right nutjob's fantasies. Muslims are very careful with giving an edited and refined version of their beliefs to outsiders, so when for example ex-Mislims raise their voices people tend to think you exaggerate or make things up. This is at least my experience. Muslims who hold these (mainstream in traditional Islam, to be honest) views rarely speak about them openly because they know people would react. Problem is, they think they're the normal ones and everyone else are wrong.


    Actually Cornflower some Muslims call a spade a spade and say it's good. I have seen such Muslims in certain Islamic forums. Even the women there support slave concubinage! Shame on them!
  • Weird things you read about religion
     Reply #95 - May 21, 2014, 01:02 PM
    @HM

    Perhaps, I know of many Muslims who sometimes aren't and some who are aware of the problems but  try to ignore uncomfortable parts of their religion. Some, most, may be dishonest by not giving the whole picture to others when "conveying Islam". It's not about these Muslims being "evil liars", it' simply a defence mechanism. You yourself have stated that you did the same during your last years as a Muslim, and to be honest it is something I did as well on numerous occasions. The problem with this is that by doing this, it can lead to real life problems for people who have to suffer "in silence" as a direct result from Islamic (harmfull and destructive) beliefs and practices.

    @Rubaya
    Most of them are either priviliged fools who don't have to "live it" but want to be "devouted submissive Muslims", or women who live it and cope with their defence mechanisms by reproducing their own oppression. To admit that it is morally and ethically wrong would be too much for them to handle.
    "The healthiest people I know are those who are the first to label themselves fucked up." - three
  • Weird things you read about religion
     Reply #96 - May 21, 2014, 01:20 PM
    Quote from: happymurtad on May 21, 2014, 12:51 PM

    The amount of genuine cognitive dissonance often at play is also staggering. Particularly in the west, I think that many Muslims fail to actually reconcile their own personal morals with the teachings found in the Quran, and especially in the hadith. I’d say that with the exception of salafis, most of the Muslims I know really do view Islam as a tolerant, progressive, enlightened faith.

     

    yeah but with most of the muslims I've talked to that progressive morals stuff doesn't show when it comes to LGBT issues.
    In my opinion a life without curiosity is not a life worth living
  • Weird things you read about religion
     Reply #97 - May 21, 2014, 01:29 PM
    Quote from: Cornflower on May 21, 2014, 01:02 PM
    @HM

    Perhaps, I know of many Muslims who sometimes aren't and some who are aware of the problems but  try to ignore uncomfortable parts of their religion. Some, most, may be dishonest by not giving the whole picture to others when "conveying Islam". It's not about these Muslims being "evil liars", it' simply a defence mechanism. You yourself have stated that you did the same during your last years as a Muslim, and to be honest it is something I did as well on numerous occasions. The problem with this is that by doing this, it can lead to real life problems for people who have to suffer "in silence" as a direct result from Islamic (harmfull and destructive) beliefs and practices.



    I was a salafi who spent a good amount of time completely immersed in that environment. I certainly knew what I was doing when I filtered Islam and tailored it for my audience, and that is a good part of the reason why I could not continue to do it. The deliberate dishonesty ate away at me.

    For most non-salafi, western Muslims though, my opinion is that the situation is very much the way I described it. I think they really do believe Muhammad would have condoned all the progressive, liberal stuff they themselves are attracted to. I know that’s not the case for everyone, but I am thinking of a specific, perhaps uniquely American breed of Muslim.
  • Weird things you read about religion
     Reply #98 - May 21, 2014, 01:30 PM
    Quote from: Rubaya on May 21, 2014, 12:56 PM
    Actually Cornflower some Muslims call a spade a spade and say it's good. I have seen such Muslims in certain Islamic forums. Even the women there support slave concubinage! Shame on them!


    I think it has to do with the fact that for many Muslims, the things they pay lip service to are completely abstract and hypothetical. They know they will never have to deal with issues like slavery or child marriage in the western world, so they can justify it without ever having to worry about the consequences. It’s a conversation I had with several of my former Muslim friends once I left. They will tell you that they are ok with slavery so long as certain conditions are met, or they will tell you that child marriage is acceptable in certain circumstances, but they’d be horrified at any actual occurrences of people behaving the way Muhammad did and they’d be quick to write it off as “un-Islamic.”
  • Weird things you read about religion
     Reply #99 - May 21, 2014, 01:32 PM
    There are so many non-Muslim apologists for Islam online mysmilie_977 It's very annoying to encounter those people; they'll mention the crusades and anti-abortion violence, and claim that Islam is a peaceful religion and it's only a radical deviant fringe that's problematic. Not knowing at all that it's not a radical fringe minority, *most* Muslims do believe in death for apostasy, stoning adulterers, punishing blasphemy, etc. These things are in Islamic texts. Mainstream Islam may not be for suicide bombing but it's still extremely misogynistic and illiberal, more so than the mainstream of any religion I can think of. They'll continue with the apologetics, even when presented with Pew polls, ex-Muslims, Muslim extremists, the fucking news, etc. 
  • Weird things you read about religion
     Reply #100 - May 21, 2014, 01:35 PM
    Quote from: happymurtad on May 21, 2014, 01:29 PM

    I was a salafi who spent a good amount of time completely immersed in that environment. I certainly knew what I was doing when I filtered Islam and tailored it for my audience, and that is a good part of the reason why I could not continue to do it. The deliberate dishonesty ate away at me.

    For most non-salafi, western Muslims though, my opinion is that the situation is very much the way I described it. I think they really do believe Muhammad would have condoned all the progressive, liberal stuff they themselves are attracted to. I know that’s not the case for everyone, but I am thinking of a specific, perhaps uniquely American breed of Muslim.


     That's something I still actually feel bad about sometimes. I remember really manipulating things when I talked about Islam to other people, and, when I was a Muslim, there were a few others who would sometimes credit me with reinforcing or renewing their faith in some way.

    Did I ever really, really believe Mohammed was a feminist/early detractor of slavery? I can't say I ever did, but I still said it, and the confidence I projected seemed to make certain other people believe it, and they probably still do today.  wacko
  • Weird things you read about religion
     Reply #101 - May 21, 2014, 01:54 PM
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    For most non-salafi, western Muslims though, my opinion is that the situation is very much the way I described it. I think they really do believe Muhammad would have condoned all the progressive, liberal stuff they themselves are attracted to. I know that’s not the case for everyone, but I am thinking of a specific, perhaps uniquely American breed of Muslim


    Nah, it's not uniquely American.

    There are Muslims, though, and there are a LOT of them, who accept the crazy, barbaric stuff and it seeps through in their behaviour.
  • Weird things you read about religion
     Reply #102 - May 21, 2014, 04:18 PM
    Quote from: happymurtad on May 21, 2014, 12:51 PM

    The amount of genuine cognitive dissonance often at play is also staggering. Particularly in the west, I think that many Muslims fail to actually reconcile their own personal morals with the teachings found in the Quran, and especially in the hadith. I’d say that with the exception of salafis, most of the Muslims I know really do view Islam as a tolerant, progressive, enlightened faith. A few nice verses from the Quran or a warm and fuzzy hadith is really all they need in order to keep the delusion going. When you bring up teachings that contradict the “fluffy kitten” version of Islam they’ve created, they really don’t know what to do with it.

    It’s not always a matter of dishonesty, in my opinion. Many have been conditioned to equate Islam with good, so whatever is deemed good in their minds must also be Islamic, and vice versa. Allah and Muhammad exist to them only as these noble projections of their own morals and ideals.



    I completely and wholeheartedly agree. I also believe that many people in the West simply don't know about the spicy, uncomfortable parts in Islam, something that I have also witnessed with women far more than men.
  • Weird things you read about religion
     Reply #103 - May 21, 2014, 04:21 PM
    Quote from: TheDarkRebel on May 21, 2014, 01:20 PM


    yeah but with most of the muslims I've talked to that progressive morals stuff doesn't show when it comes to LGBT issues.


    It's not about whether the beliefs are "progressive" by themselves the way the term is understood in the realm of politics. It's about whether Muslims believe that it is a progressive, tolerant faith. A Muslim could very easily believe that killing apostates or killing homosexuals results in a progressive society.
  • Weird things you read about religion
     Reply #104 - June 16, 2014, 04:35 PM
    This is the one post:

    One thing I don't understand is how events like the ‪#‎WorldCup‬ are turned into "shame grenades" or something to beat people up over trying to make them feel guilty if they enjoy themselves watching a game, or comparing their joy at a goal or a win to their lack of joy at something "deeni" etc etc.
    Let me say:
    - I believe watching football is permissible. Some scholars actually didn't, due to a few reasons. We agree to disagree. This is fiqh, not 'aqidah.
    - There's no doubts that we mustn't transgress any limits, such as going crazy so that we say/do something haram, or lie, or not be just, or delay prayers etc. This is all common sense and should be a given. A reminder at the beginning, sure, but we don't need a reminder every second from "perpetual Muslim" tweeter or whoever, trying to convince us that each time we salute Messi we've just gone and eaten boiled Pork dipped in whiskey at the local strip-joint.
    - For the majority of folks, their psyche always gets more excited by things of a social, fun nature, than of a strictly religious, deeni nature. This isn't haram. People aren't all the same. Let them be. The happiness I get from reading and laughing at Hilyatul-Awliya' lying on my sofa will never be understood by the majority, just like I don't understand their happiness at watching the Super Bowl, just like they don't get my disgust against everything Rooney and Henderson. We shouldn't hate over it. Ok, maybe just a li'l when Yanks are involved but nothing serious ya'ni.
    - In my ‪#‎ProtectThisHouse‬ class I like to explore how parents have their own tips for reward and punishment for their kids. Students will know how strongly I believe that in this corrupt, immoral and dangerous society that we live in where everything disgusting is vying for the attention of our children, sport is a healthy and certainly least worst alternative we can give to our children for them to remain "in the game" at school and still be cool and relevant with their friends who already hate on them for not getting involved in music and porn and violence - the *really* addictive and fatal vices of our time. Yes, even to the extent of admiring and "loving" the Messis and Van Persies of this world over the Cyruses and the 50 Cents, allows them to survive and stay on par at school, which then allows you to develop the 'Umars and the Salahudeens as role-models at home. What I'm saying is that sometimes you need to cut some parents a bit of slack with their children and how they raise them in incredibly difficult circumstances in the West.
    - Finally for now, football should be seen for adults and especially children as a treat and not a right. Watched together as a family, I find it enjoyable and beneficial bonding, fulfilling many purposes if the parent is fully tuned throughout: appreciating skill, impressing in children the importance of focus and practice and dedication, bringing out attention to detail, instilling discipline when turning it off/pausing mid-way in order to do something more important such as dinner or Salah or a class etc, teaching priorities and then of course good all-round fun and games as you argue and agree and develop social skills.
    My children have to earn the right to watch a game. I get good value out of it therefore, in terms of "work" done and behaviour standards maintained. And especially as this sized tournament is coming around every 4 years means I might not get another chance as a family to watch something communal with some of the kids again like this. It is seen as a treat and we all enjoy it together as well. Enough nay saying from the haters, despite all their good intentions. Syria will not be saved or destroyed by watching a football match. It will be affected though by the level of knowledge and practice of a person during and outside that football match which leads to one speak ignorantly and reduce the very real challenges of this Ummah to the absurdity of the dialogue that we often see plaguing our feeds and timelines.
    It feels so silly that I have to explain these things which might be so obvious, but the fact that you've read all the way down here to the end shows just how not obvious it really is.
    "I Knew who I was this morning, but I've changed a few times since then." Alice in wonderland

    "This is the only heaven we have how dare you make it a hell" Dr Marlene Winell
  • Weird things you read about religion
     Reply #105 - June 16, 2014, 04:37 PM
    And the anti soccer one: I have to be honest about this: I am very biased on the whole sports issue.

    I was kind of born with an anti-sports personality. No matter how much people tried to get me to love sports as a child, I never understood the joy of watching people kick a ball around the field.

    I was the kind of kid who grew up up reading novels and comic books, writing stories, and my hobbies were more superhero-related than sporty. During school breaks, you'd probably find me sitting on the edge of the sports field reading a book with no interest in playing any sports.

    As I grew older, my dislike for sports remained but to on a religious angle. I now see the habit of watching organized sports as a time-consuming distraction that causes too many social problems and does not benefit us in this world, leave alone the next.

    So yeah, I have zero interest in the world cup, and all my posts here will be anti-organized sports. Deal with it!
    "I Knew who I was this morning, but I've changed a few times since then." Alice in wonderland

    "This is the only heaven we have how dare you make it a hell" Dr Marlene Winell
  • Weird things you read about religion
     Reply #106 - June 16, 2014, 04:38 PM
    Now my point here is: what is the fucking point of arguing over such a STUPID thing. Some people like it, some don't, deal with that idiot.
    "I Knew who I was this morning, but I've changed a few times since then." Alice in wonderland

    "This is the only heaven we have how dare you make it a hell" Dr Marlene Winell
  • Weird things you read about religion
     Reply #107 - June 16, 2014, 04:47 PM
    The interesting thing isn't that the two are arguing about sports. The interesting thing is that they both feel the need to passionately justify their positions through the lens of Islam.

    The guy who likes sports hast to talk about how beneficial it is to characteristics promoted by Islam and how it is the lesser of the evils when compared to "music and porn and violence." (I chuckled at the grouping there.)

    The other guy who admits he's hated sports all his life has to talk about how it does not help them in the hereafter and blah, blah, blah.

    It's a tragedy that these people can not allow themselves to enjoy a single idea and just be happy with it without first vetting it through their interpretations of Islam and putting their own "deeni" spin on it.
  • Weird things you read about religion
     Reply #108 - June 16, 2014, 04:51 PM
    Quote from: confusedagno on June 16, 2014, 04:35 PM
    we've just gone and eaten boiled Pork dipped in whiskey at the local strip-joint.


    This is what I expect to hear when you're telling me about visiting your boyfriend in the UK.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Weird things you read about religion
     Reply #109 - June 16, 2014, 05:41 PM
    Quote from: happymurtad on June 16, 2014, 04:47 PM
    The interesting thing isn't that the two are arguing about sports. The interesting thing is that they both feel the need to passionately justify their positions through the lens of Islam.

    The guy who likes sports hast to talk about how beneficial it is to characteristics promoted by Islam and how it is the lesser of the evils when compared to "music and porn and violence." (I chuckled at the grouping there.)

    The other guy who admits he's hated sports all his life has to talk about how it does not help them in the hereafter and blah, blah, blah.

    It's a tragedy that these people can not allow themselves to enjoy a single idea and just be happy with it without first vetting it through their interpretations of Islam and putting their own "deeni" spin on it.


    This is why Islam is a totalitarian ideology and leeches of your life by creating a toxic environment in which everything has to be justified as serving the needs of the almighty dictator. Islam is best observed and practised from at a distance.

    Imagine having to justify your passion with reference to your political allegiance to a particular party. 'I watch wrestling because I think that the New Labour movement could be revived by adopting catchphrases from Stone Cold Steve Austin. Now gimme a hell yeah!'

    What if I were still a muslim?

    'I watch Star Wars, not because of the scene from Return of the Jedi in which Leia is dressed like a slave girl in a golden-clad bikini, but because the Jedi, mash'allah, exhibit some of the viruous attributes of the early Muslimeen and it brings me closer to my Deen, insh'allah.'

    Go fuck yourself!
    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • Weird things you read about religion
     Reply #110 - June 16, 2014, 07:28 PM
    Quote from: Al-Alethia on May 21, 2014, 01:54 PM
    Nah, it's not uniquely American. My sister is very much like that. She believes homosexuality is haram but we shouldn't be mean to them, for example, she even has a gay friend Cheesy I'm sure she thinks Mo wouldn't approve of meanness Roll Eyes


    Lol, I was like that, too. I believed homosexuality was haram but even so, we should just treat them as normal human beings. Same with non-Muslims. 'They might convert or change their ways some day and then we'll regret being mean to them.'

    Quote from: Al-Alethia on May 21, 2014, 01:54 PM
     She's very serious about faith, prayer, fasting, etc but when it comes to the real-life application of shari'ah, she dismisses most of the harsh stuff as extremist and un-Islamic without even opening the Quran or a Hadith collection. Killing apostates? Yeah, Al-Alethia, that sounds nuts, nobody but Al-Qaeda believes that, why are you so anti-Muslim, why are you obsessed with the bad stuff, blah, blah, blah. Women don't have to obey their husbands, WTF? Islam is fair and equal. You know I'm a feminist, right? 

    I don't even know if she's for amputation and stoning because when these things come up, she'll just accuse me of being obsessed with making Islam look bad and say I'm misinformed or lying. She won't bother to look anything up, she just "knows" Islam is good and anything unsavoury is extremist BS.


    I have a cousin who is pretty devout. No music, wears abaya, is learning tajweed, doesn't listen to music, doesn't go to wedding where they play music etc. She pulled something like the above the other day. My other cousin was telling us about how her newly wed life was and how she and her husband divide the choirs at home. She said: 'It's a completely other story with a neighbour of me. She does EVERYTHING for her husband. The other day, he asked her to make one specific dish. She didn't have all the ingredients so she decided to make something else. He came home, didn't find what he wanted and he started screaming and calling her names. He demanded from her to make that dish he wanted.' 
    My religious cousin reacted with: 'OMG, NO! What?! She is not his maid. I would never do everything my husband says. That's not normal.' She was really appalled!

    And I was like...  Huh? You ignore something that's written in the Quran, and dissmiss it as not normal, while you do obey some vague hadith about music instruments not being allowed?

    The two of them also told us about some 'revert brother'. The newly wed one said: He is really handsome. The religious one reacted: 'Handsome? He is DI-VINE.' And we were like  Shocked
    The future is full of thrilling possibilities.
  • Weird things you read about religion
     Reply #111 - June 17, 2014, 07:12 AM
    Quote from: happymurtad on June 16, 2014, 04:47 PM
    The interesting thing isn't that the two are arguing about sports. The interesting thing is that they both feel the need to passionately justify their positions through the lens of Islam.

    The guy who likes sports hast to talk about how beneficial it is to characteristics promoted by Islam and how it is the lesser of the evils when compared to "music and porn and violence." (I chuckled at the grouping there.)

    The other guy who admits he's hated sports all his life has to talk about how it does not help them in the hereafter and blah, blah, blah.

    It's a tragedy that these people can not allow themselves to enjoy a single idea and just be happy with it without first vetting it through their interpretations of Islam and putting their own "deeni" spin on it.


    Exactly my thoughts, to be honest it sounds like these guys are trying to convince themselves more then anyone else
    "I Knew who I was this morning, but I've changed a few times since then." Alice in wonderland

    "This is the only heaven we have how dare you make it a hell" Dr Marlene Winell
  • Weird things you read about religion
     Reply #112 - June 17, 2014, 09:09 AM
    Quote from: happymurtad on March 25, 2014, 01:29 PM
    Yes! This is a real thing. People actually do spend their days talking about this shit with dead seriousness. I don’t think I can fully express just how bizarre a higher level fiqh class really is.

     “How can you distinguish between period blood and blood that is discharged due to an illness? You must smell it and analyze the color. If it is dark with a foul odor, it is period blood and the woman must refrain from prayer. If not, she must wash the affected area before each prayer…”

    “Is it necessary to completely remove all traces of brown after taking a dump? No, it is OK to have some traces so long as there are no pieces. One should not spend too much time trying to remove all traces of brown as this is one of the whispers of satan…”

    “What should be done if one wakes up to find semen in his garment but does not remember ejaculating? One should take a full bath as it is unlikely that the semen originated from anyone else but himself (Depends on the circumstances, I guess. Grin )”

     “It is not permissible to urinate in standing water then use it for bathing, but the scholars have differed as to whether or not it is permissible to urinate into a vessel, dump it into standing water, then use the standing water for ritual bathing. The majority say that this is not permissible, but the Thahiriyyah say that it is permissible as there is no clear prohibition against it.”

    “Is it permissible to wash using water that has been stored in the skin of a dead dog? The scholars have differed in this matter with more than five opinions. If the dog’s skin has been tanned, then (I don’t remember who) says that it is OK. Another school of thought says that it is permissible, but only if the dog’s skin is turned inside out…etc”

    When someone has a degree in Islamic Law, they likely spent a few years memorizing crap like this. All of this is covered in “Bab at-Tahaarah - The Book of Purification" which the scholars say one must learn before moving on to any other matters, as purification is necessary for prayer.



    I presume you were a religious Muslim before your apostasy. You know a lot more about Islam than many Muslims I know right now!

    I have read through bab-el-tahara. There is another good one which mentions that the prophet had cum stains on his clothing and so Aisha asked him what to do with it and he told her to scrape it off with her fingernail or something along those lines and he prayed in those garments. Yes... That was actually in a hadith...
    "Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
  • Weird things you read about religion
     Reply #113 - June 17, 2014, 09:16 AM
    ^lol, that's one of the basic rules you learn when going through baab al tahaarah. It's si unfair how women's bodily fluids are alway najis, we should even be ashamed for our vaginas and enhance it with musk. This while boys and men can get away with peeing on people and have their cum wherever they feel like it. It is a maaan's world, yeah?
    "The healthiest people I know are those who are the first to label themselves fucked up." - three
  • Weird things you read about religion
     Reply #114 - June 17, 2014, 09:30 AM
    Quote from: Cornflower on May 21, 2014, 06:26 AM
    I think it's good these kind of things surfaces so that non-Muslims can see that this is real and not just some far-right nutjob's fantasies. Muslims are very careful with giving an edited and refined version of their beliefs to outsiders, so when for example ex-Mislims raise their voices people tend to think you exaggerate or make things up. This is at least my experience. Muslims who hold these (mainstream in traditional Islam, to be honest) views rarely speak about them openly because they know people would react. Problem is, they think they're the normal ones and everyone else are wrong.


    Interestingly enough, I was talking to one of my Turkish Muslim friends. He is the only person that knows of my apostasy. So one day he asked me why I left Islam and what it was that made me question everything. I then referred to a hadith in which slavery was allowed and that they can not say no when asked for sex. The look of disgust I saw was somewhat comforting (because I was expecting to have to do a lot more explaining afterwards) he just looked at me with an open mouth. To him Islam is all butterflies and rainbows but now that he has understood the moral dilemma he has to face now due to his beliefs I wonder where his thoughts will go...

    You can say my daawah is being shifted to another cause   dance

    Quote from: Cornflower on May 21, 2014, 06:26 AM
    ^lol, that's one of the basic rules you learn when going through baab al tahaarah. It's si unfair how women's bodily fluids are alway najis, we should even be ashamed for our vaginas and enhance it with musk. This while boys and men can get away with peeing on people and have their cum wherever they feel like it. It is a maaan's world, yeah?


    Yeah that's because this religion was made by a man. Imagine if a woman with an analogous personality were to make a religion  Cheesy
    "Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
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     Reply #115 - June 17, 2014, 12:39 PM
    Quote from: Cornflower
    This while boys and men can get away with peeing on people and have their cum wherever they feel like it.


    You put dirty thoughts in my mind. Why CF?? Why? Wink
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     Reply #116 - June 17, 2014, 01:47 PM
    Cuz that's how I roll   cool2
    "The healthiest people I know are those who are the first to label themselves fucked up." - three
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     Reply #117 - June 17, 2014, 01:48 PM
    Aight, den. whaddup gangsta.
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     Reply #118 - June 20, 2014, 12:41 PM
    "He who marries his hand, is cursed!" In reference to masturbation Cheesy
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     Reply #119 - June 20, 2014, 02:19 PM
    Wow if that's the case then all Muslims are going to hell because I highly doubt any Muslims don't choke the goose^
    "Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
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